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5 hours ago, Wallyhorse said:

As I would do it, I would rebuild the platforms taken out of service on the at Atlantic as well as the tracks that served Snediker Avenue (there was enough infrastructure level in place that such CAN be rebuilt).   This also would allow for a potential revival of what used to be  service to Rockaway Parkway on the  for example.  

Reconfiguring the station to allow for short-turns has a low but non-zero chance or happening. Canarsie-Nassau service is not happening since the transfer at Broadway Junction is not difficult and it would unnecessarily handicap the  where it is busiest

4 hours ago, ABCDEFGJLMNQRSSSWZ said:

I see. Thanks for a clarification and this is an interesting point ig I haven't seriously thought about before, though I can think of a few examples where tracks or switches were removed, and I was like why. Not an expert but a track or switch that's mostly inactive (not used in revenue service) I would think would be p easy and cheap to maintain. I think I've also heard South of Brooklyn Bridge on the  they eliminated at least one of the "storage tracks". Another one that's much older I've never understood was why they completely severed the Nassau Line's connection to the Manhattan Bridge when it seems like it'd offer good redundancy if there's a problem on Broadway.

On a similar note, there are relatively "small" projects the MTA could pursue that would dramatically improve service/increase capacity but don't. For instance, adding tail tracks past 8th av on the  would dramatically increase the maximum tph on the most crowded subway line (according to MTA's own data), yet it's not even a project I've ever seen considered. Also doing smtg to try and fix Jamacia Center terminal on the , be it adding tail tracks with a crossover, relocating the existing crossover, or extending the line.

I doubt they'll consider tail tracks for the ... the only terminal improvements I could see them doing is reconfiguring Atlantic to 3 or 4 tracks with a center track to terminate trains if needed, and that only works if the OOS platform is still usable.

For the  they'll just send whatever they can't fit into JC to 179th. But an extension via the LIRR ROW like planned in the Program for Action would be nice.

26 minutes ago, trainfan22 said:

I didn't see the R40M pair there, not sure where in the system its located at.

 

In regards to the R46 I doubt they will save an A-A pair because it can't run on the mainline by themselves due to 3rd rail gaps. I would imagine a four set car gets saved, or nothing lol.

 

Can't run two single R68s on the mainline for the same reason. 

I heard that 4480-4481 is at Concourse, but it may have been moved. The mismatched 40M/42 pair is at CI I think, but IIRC it was heavily vandalized. 

In that case I guess they'll just go with four cars for the R46s and maybe two R68s and two R68As linked together. If they were to do that I'd imagine they wouldn't keep any 46s and no more than a single 68 car in the museum because of space reasons.  

10 minutes ago, trainfan22 said:

They are probably still there, rusting away. I just passed by there and there's still three rusty pairs of redbirds there like there have been for years now.

 

 

IIRC, one of each of the R26/28/29 combo is at Concourse.

 

 

They should just scrap those cars, they appear to be in horrid shape, missing rollsigns, etc. They have graffiti tags on one of the cars, who knows how long that tag have been on that car. 

Isn't there an R40M pair sitting there too?

It's kind of sad to see lesser known fleets like the early redbirds and 40Ms just sit in yards rotting... they already saved nearly two trains of R33s/R36s so I doubt they'll do anything to restore those... same goes for the 40M when they already have a preserved 42 pair...

Hell, even a fleet like the 44s only got a single car preserved, and the blind end and lack of interoperability means it probably won't run on a trip. I doubt they'll preserve any SIR R44 cars, and for R46s I see them keeping a married pair or two A cars at most... at least with the 62/As and 68/As they could convert them back to single cars and link two together... 

On 10/18/2023 at 1:14 AM, Kamen Rider said:

For the Staten Island team, this is quantum leap forward. 
 

there are so many thing those of us on the mainline subway take for granted that they have never seen before from an operating perspective. 
 

I needed one day to learn the 211s

T/O classes are two days.

 

SIRTOA is probably going to be a full week.

even the simple things.

Like, say, do the SIR R44s have enablers? 

 

Are they going to deliver production sets before the 30 day test? On one hand it would make sense since you would have more cars to train people, but it could also make modifying fixes more difficult

38 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

I never understood why those  put-in’s don’t run in service instead of clogging up the road.

Would probably just confuse riders and no need to add to the run time

56 minutes ago, Lex said:

Great, so everyone has to remember which branch the  will serve at what time. That won't cause any problems.

It's not difficult to remember like it's some midday/evening after PM rush swap. Weekends and overnight via 63rd, all other times via 53rd. Commuters aren't idiots and will figure it out. Regardless you'll have service to 6th Av one way and QBL the other. They didn't have any issues sending the  via the bridge over the weekend back when they were renovating Montague.

Will it involve change and adjustments, something the MTA is allergic to? Yes. But you can fix a backup on one of the busiest trunk lines. Just because it makes things slightly more annoying for operations doesn't mean it won't greatly benefit commuters with fewer delays. 

Just look at the overcrowding at Roosevelt that lead to that person falling onto the tracks the other day. 53rd is much busier than 63rd, and right now the  is overcrowded, the  is slightly less so, and  carries air. If we ran twice as many express trains through 53rd you could relieve some congestion on the  and crowding at Roosevelt from people passing up  and  for the . When the  was around it carried air despite the MTA's attempts at sending it 53rd to relieve the , and they're still doing the same thing today. 

23 minutes ago, slantfan4281 said:

The current setup with 36th is awful... (can't count how many times I've been on a stopped and crawling  towards Jamaica after Queensbridge...)

Is it really that much of a hassle to even swap the two on weekdays and then just run the  via 63rd weekends and overnight? You can run some short turn  to 2nd Av to make up for the service loss on 63rd, but won't have to run the full  other times...

With CBTC I just find it crazy that the MTA is willing to let such a major bottleneck stay in place... hell, they seem somewhat willing to reconfigure service through Rogers a little with new switches in the 20 year assessment, even though that would take much more work, cost more, and force more transfers... 

I now get that you can't mess with Broadway or the yards, and that running the full  over the weekend is a nonstarter, but is doing a weekday only swap out of the question as well? 

6 hours ago, RTOMan said:

After reading these last few replies..

Im glad that NONE of  those posting those replies will have anything to do with train movement for the foreseeable future...

Geez my goodness...

The current setup with 36th is awful... (can't count how many times I've been on a stopped and crawling  towards Jamaica after Queensbridge...)

Is it really that much of a hassle to even swap the two on weekdays and then just run the  via 63rd weekends and overnight? You can run some short turn  to 2nd Av to make up for the service loss on 63rd, but won't have to run the full  other times...

With CBTC I just find it crazy that the MTA is willing to let such a major bottleneck stay in place... hell, they seem somewhat willing to reconfigure service through Rogers a little with new switches in the 20 year assessment, even though that would take much more work, cost more, and force more transfers... 

3 hours ago, Comrade96 said:

the  and  are based out of different yards, they can't share fleets

 

You would also need to make the  a full time route, and thats something they arent willing to do

Couldn't you move the  to CI and the  to Jamaica? You could free up some space at the latter since the  is part time and less frequent?

Perhaps with the congestion pricing $ the MTA could spend more on the ? 

This Twitter thread is a good analysis of how the  swap could work: 

Any chance the MTA goes through with their Rogers junction project in the 20 year assessment, and would it make any sense, or is it just another project they're going to ignore?

On 10/7/2023 at 9:37 PM, LGA Link N Train said:

I'm curious about something. 

What do the RTO Folks here think of the 's "Proposal" for Rogers Junction?

bumping this question

1 minute ago, Comrade96 said:

both

I get that it would cost the MTA extra, but it's not out of left field. The current switch and merge setup with the waits at Queens Plaza and 36th suck, and separating the  and  would help with capacity and spread some of the 53rd St crowds onto the . IIRC the MTA was planning to run a trial of this 3-4 years ago but never went through with it for some reason. The  could also use a shorter runtime and fewer merges.

1 hour ago, RTOMan said:

No..

Not happening...

Is this WallyHorse on another Account?

Swapping the  and  tunnels won't happen or swapping the  and  won't happen (or both)?

11 hours ago, ABCDEFGJLMNQRSSSWZ said:

I've heard some speculate this is the case because all the sign/wayfinding replacements on the 53rd St  seem permanent. MTA usually uses white signs for temporary changes and black signs for long term, plus they went out of their way to outright replace the  bullet with  rather than just covering it up.

The big question would be who would serve 63rd St weekends and nights? Would the  switch to 63rd during these hours (might be confusing), or does the  run 24/7? If so, does the MTA swap the  and  in Queens? Then what yard would the  fleet come from?

I would run the  to 71st over the weekend with the  via 63rd overnight, and swap the  and  in Queens. The  would share a fleet with the .

40 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

R44 401 is retired/stripped of parts.

Let's hope the R211S can be delivered quickly. Sounds like they're not even waiting before taking the 44s out of service

7 hours ago, Jftransit said:

Anyone know where I can find some r32’s. I’ve found 3. One at concourse and one at 38th st yard Brooklyn & Staten Island. Anywhere else I can see them from public area 

I think there might be a few at 207

59 minutes ago, RedLine said:

12 more cars are now at 38 st yard

Do you know which numbers?

10 hours ago, Calvin said:

The fleet assignment at Pitkin Yard is switched but only a little: the R179s are moved over in-use to the Rockaway Park Shuttle (2 10-car sets) but the  uses 11 total (that's in-service and for spares). The R46s are placed on the Fulton St line for now. 

Are they trying to keep the 46s off the shuttle because of the corrosion from the sea air above the bay? 

2 minutes ago, slantfan4281 said:

Court could definitely use

Hunters Point seemed pretty clean last time I used it, Vernon-Jackson could use it more tbh

Forgot Vernon-Jackson was already renovated, disregard that

1 hour ago, Ale188 said:

11 New stations are supposed to be Re-NEW-vated by the end of this year after Hoyt-Schermerhorn on the . They are:

Morris Park 
Whitehall St  
Hunters Point Ave 
Beverly Road 
Baychester Av 
Wall St 
Ditmas Ave 
8th St – NYU 
191 St  (THANK GOD)
Howard Beach-JFK Airport  (Was expecting that actually) &...
Court St 

No 4 train stations...damn, but whatever. Those are the new stations to get Re-NEW-vations.

Court could definitely use

Hunters Point seemed pretty clean last time I used it, Vernon-Jackson could use it more tbh

1 minute ago, AZthefoamer said:

I think the MTA timeline said April-September, give or take.

Did they give a timeframe for the 46s as well?

5 minutes ago, Comrade96 said:

thats too aggressive of a timeframe, expect them to be gone later next year 

I mean aren't they trying to get rid of them ASAP? If the delivery schedule is supposed to be 20 cars per month and they get 10 before November, then they could get them all on property by the end of January? 

16 minutes ago, LGA Link N Train said:

Too early? The R-44's are literally falling apart. 

Speaking of which, I gotta railfan in Staten Island one of these days before the Rest of the R-211S's begin to Roll Out.

Assuming the SIR sets arrive at the same rate as the R211A sets and the R211S passes the 30 day test by around Thanksgiving, I would make a guess that the R44s will be gone around February or so.

Are the production R211S cars going to be delivered directly to Clifton?