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At this rate by mid summer R46's could be off the  completely, and only the  temporary. 

12 hours ago, Maxwell179 said:

While that is true , I’m pretty sure that’s not the point she’s making , the  need them for mainly for any reroutes on 8 Av but in most cases, 

so the only real concern from that point would only be the  and then rerouting the  onto the Culver line like stated above.

The  can get away with keeping R68's and R68A's until about 2028-2030 because CBTC on 6th Ave have been delay.

1 hour ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

Looking forward to seeing more r211's on the C. Now that the M is fully restored, I find it pretty annoying to see so many r46's running on the C. Hopefully the C can keep their 8 car r179's until option 1.

I think those 8 car set of R179's on C will go to East New York Yard.

3 minutes ago, NBTA said:

The 8 car ones can go to Jamaica for the . I doubt it though.

if they want the C line to be 10car set trains, then it's likely the 8 car sets of R179's are likely to go to ENY for  

1 hour ago, darkstar8983 said:

I think the moves will start when the  is back to full service. And the R179s are the real odd-balls that restrict fleet interchange between the . The 10-car R179s cannot run on the  until the 8-car R179s are gone due to likely train crew confusion as to whether they're operating a 10-car or 8-car consist. Especially now that the 168 St  train trips from the morning rush get changed over to  trains for midday service, then back to the  line for the Rockaway Park trips in the PM rush, the R179s cannot run on those specific  trips, and there has to be specific R46s available to be taken out of service at 168 St to change over from the . Also the Euclid Av  trip in the morning from 207 St cannot run R179s assuming that that particular train also gets changed over to a  train at Euclid Av for midday service.

At least now that the  is running R211Ts, technically the R211s can run on the 168 St trips out of Far Rockaway and swap over to the , but knowing operations and dispatchers from the  will not send the R211s on those trips either (opting to just use the R46s).

I think someone saw the r211  to Rockaway park recently, I think they're going to move the 8 car R179's out of pitkin/207th to another yard first.

On 3/5/2024 at 8:09 PM, darkstar8983 said:

The base order yes would suffice for the  since it is 44 trains for the  , which is what is normally required including spare factor. Remove 10 of those R211s and move them to the , along with the 8-car R179s and 2 R211T trains. Boom. The  are fully NTT. We’d have to wait for option 1 to see what happens to the R179s

it's possible as rumored that 10 car sets R179 is coming off the  going to Jamaica to beef up fleet size for  lines once the option order start coming in, then we could see  gets R211's, Car Equipment could do a 180 and send option order R211 to Jamaica, 8car R179 could go to ENY for  services.

Btw i saw 4190-4199 in service on  2 days ago at work.

7 hours ago, FLX9304 said:

You too

The R68A's will be stuck on  for while until about end of 2027, the way how R211's deliveries are coming along, The  should be 100% R179 and R211's by end of 2025 based on deliveries rates 20 cars per month, so basically we won't likely start seeing R211A's on other lines until beginning of 2026 or end 2025. 

12 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

If the C gets r211's, then there shouldn't be any issues with the B, D getting r211's. The B has pretty much the same ridership as the C, while the D has higher ridership than both the B/C trains. Also, the B and C trains are not full time lines.

Whether it's the r211's or the r160's, the B/D trains will still need to be 100% NTTs by 2025 not just for 8th Avenue CBTC, but also for 6th Avenue CBTC.

As for the E/F, they will most likely get option order 2. It is still possible that option order 2 will most likely consist of r211Ts.

I would say the  will be NTT by 2027 that's when approximately option order 1 will be finished, It's  will be 100% NTT by 2025, NYCT can afford to allow  to be R68/A's for little longer until about 2027 option order to be done.

14 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

Passed. The production trains need to do burn in testing before entering service.

how long is usually the burn in testing is.

22 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

the  may just stay in Coney Island, but yes Coney Island maintenance will need to be up to snuff to handle NTT trains again (just they'll be assigned mainly to the  rather than the  this time around). There is enough storage space and CI can handle two types of equipment (it has done so  and  continues to do so to this day).

Those NTT trains (R211s or R160) could show up on  on weekends when the  is not running, yep CI can handle two types of equipment they always have been in the past.

On 6/20/2023 at 10:58 PM, subwaycommuter1983 said:

The r68's cannot stay on the BD once 8th Avenue CBTC is done. R68's are not equipped with CBTC.

Your right just in case of reroutes, such as  running on 8th Avenue line from 59 St to W 4th St, we could have a small period of time up to a year until option 2 R211's comes in few R68's will be stuck on  or  .

6 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

It's going to be a good while for the R46s to go

 

FHA just gave NY the green light for congestion pricing, Now all they have to do is vote on it and could start as early as next year. It wouldn't make sense to scrap anything that's currently in service until there's enough R211s where the is full length and the has more than enough cars to have longer trains.

 

Y'all gotta stop with this "The R46s need to go right now bullshit" The caved and got rid of the R32s (Pandemic, crew shortages and lower ridership played a part besides complaints) I don't think it'll be a great idea to even retire any R46s. The issue with the R46s is just the lack of spares hence why their reliability took  a hit. R46s will eventually retire as more R211s are delivered overtime.

 

Also Since congestion pricing would likely pass, I would expect Option II to be approved.

R211 option 2 will likely be R211T's, The  is about to see weekday service increases next year, and  will see increase of weekend service, they need to make sure they have enough cars for 2024.

14 minutes ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

We need to be patient with the r211's.

In the meantime, I think that the MTA needs to have a contingency plan with the r46's, which are overused and in bad shape.

All CI r68's should be used on the N/Q during the weekends. No Pitkin/207 r179's should be stored during the weekends. Since ENY got more r179's than originally planned, it would be a good idea for ENY to temporarily loan 3-4 eight car r179's to the C until the pilot plus 2-3 production r211's are in Service.

This plan would allow the worst performing r46's to run less often.

I agreed with you bro, The MTA should of put the r46's on the  now on weekdays so they wont be used too often on 24/7 lines like  lines.

12 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

People tend to not understand this

 

Besides the Base order and a small chunk of option Order I going to the / , The I doubt would get em because the is based out of Coney Island yard and could get the R160s. The Could (I hope) can get the R211s but they can also get the R160s from Jamaica. I just hope they get the R211s.

The Siemens R160s are probably going to be the first to go since Jamaica keeps mixing them to the point where they had to put a bulletin to not mix the cars and their kinda oddballs even though they are the same type of cars with the propulsion only being the only difference.

 

 

The  can actually get R211's, if that's true then it's likely that Coney Island will used the R211's on  on Saturdays and Sunday.

The  need new trains they have the same trains for 35 years.

On 8/17/2022 at 10:09 PM, VIP said:

The  has 2-3 sets of 68A’s in rotation. The  has about 1-2, down from 4-6 sets. Yard dispatchers are keeping the 68/68A’s from the  stored at Stillwell yard which makes it easier to swap with the  layups. There’s 7-8 sets Regularly in service on the  up from the 2-4 sets of Put ins. 

The R46 should have been went on the  instead of the  .

8 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

It is unlikely that the MTA will build 1,290 open gangway trains. Therefore, Jamaica will keep a good chunk of the r160's.

 are getting the base order of R211A's for sure, some R179 8cars will likely be move from the  to other lines such as  could allow the  be 8 car train

R211A option could go to the  and  if they go to the  those same R211's could show up on  and  on weekends when  is not running.

The rest of the option of R211's go to the  

On 6/6/2021 at 8:26 PM, R32 3838 said:

it's gonna be atleast 18 months before we see them doing a 30 day in service test, they have to completely test these cars. These aren't like the R160's/179's. these have newer tech in them so there's gonna be teething problems and etc.

That's well said, you're right they have to work out the bugs in them.

23 minutes ago, R10 2952 said:

600 feet would probably be a tall order simply on account of all the stations that have had exits closed, unused portions of the platforms narrowed to accommodate extra equipment rooms (Metropolitan Avenue being case in point), and so on.

I could see the old 450/480 foot standard work, though.  Since the mid-late 2000s things have changed so much that finding a seat on the Crosstown Line during rush hour has practically become like Russian roulette.  Unthinkable back in the '90s, when the 6-car R46 and 8-car R32 sets on the  mostly carried air, but things have definitely changed.

Some times in the 1990's the had 10 car R32's that was barrow from the and

1 hour ago, R32 3838 said:

They were out of control, I told one to get his ass away from the window 

I seen a few of them with no Mask on, it's shame that people are hardheaded.

5 minutes ago, R32 3838 said:

 

the is supposed to get em too.

Yea that's right few option order cars (open gangway cars) supposed to go the  too.

1 minute ago, Around the Horn said:

when did they ever say this?

They did say it awhile back, of course its subject to change.

6 hours ago, happy283 said:

Since the R46s are older, they probably wanted to increase the spare factor at CI. As far as the R211, since the cars are only 60 ft, 945 will be needed to replace all R46s, anything above that will expand service. At one point, I know the  was promised R211s and CI may not want to have another car class to maintain so it is likely all the former CI R160s will be sent back once the R211s arrive.

Nah, from MTA the R211 will be assigned to  lines more likely, but always subject change.

3 minutes ago, Bill from Maspeth said:

They will not get crowded till September again.  The J/Z is running full service, the extra cars come from the L.  The L can get away with less than a 4 minute headway till school re-starts.  It's the summer.  Riders are swearing off the subway, will not ride; riders will be working from home; riders are on vacation.  I have no doubt the R179's will be back by Labor Day.

Yep, MTA/NYCT will figure out away to make those R179's work right, like they did with the R44, R46 and R142's in the past.

45 minutes ago, R68ACTrain said:

The  is 4-6 Minutes. That's typically how frequent it is off-peak.

The  is 4-6 minutes and  is 10 minutes.

On 10/12/2019 at 2:02 PM, R32 3838 said:

The needs to be full length already

Just use the R32's, R46's and 10 car R179's as well as the R42's (ENY) don't need em anymore.

Send the 8 car R179's to the with some R32's. 

There's enough cars to do this now. 

I agreed with you 100%, they do need 600ft Trains on C.