NYCTNostalgia

12 hours ago, Q23 via 108 said:

I remeber reading some where that some one burned the Intervale Av Station in the 80s or 90s. But this has to be the worst case of arson ever commited on the Subway. Rest In Piece to the T/0 and they should honor him in some way.

When they rebuild that station they should make a plaqe of him. Or even rename the station after him. But he deserves to honored for his bravery. Rename the station 110 St - Goble.

Just to give a little background on the Intervale incident:

"On March 15, 1989, three men set the wooden station house on fire after a failed attempt to rob the token booth. The clerk was not seriously injured, while the suspects fled and were never identified.

After the incident, New York City Transit considered closing this station permanently due to its close proximity to Prospect Avenue and Simpson Street. However, a community uproar led to the scrapping of the plans. The station was rebuilt with steel canopies and windscreens and a concrete station house with glass block windows and embossed leather-looking walls. Renovations took two and a half years. Artwork called El 2/El 5 by Michael Kelly Williams was installed in the mezzanine and features two mosaic murals depicting underground and elevated tracks. The renovated station reopened on April 21, 1992 after 20 months of work was completed."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intervale_Avenue_station

This is super tragic. I can't believe this happened.

6 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

Keeping them On the makes no sense operationally

I mean... if it's better for the crowds on 2nd Avenue as the  says, then operationally it makes more sense. As a daily  rider between 57 St-7 Av and Avenue U (basically the whole damn route), I can definitely say that it makes more sense to keep the R160's on the  vs. the /. Crowds are wicked on both ends, when my train pulls into Avenue U in the morning is already at Standing Room Levels only and once it reaches Prospect Park/7 Av, it is absurdly crowded. Additionally when the  pulls in at 57 St-7 Av during the PM Rush, the train is already extremely crowded so early in its route vs. the that isn't really crowded until 34 St-Herald Square and the that typically isn't overloaded. If the  was reduced to 100% 75 footers, loading times would increase substantially, shiddd the  on Brighton in the Morning struggles enough loading passengers in a timely fashion without having to dwell much longer than it should.

But this is just my opinion and as we all know, opinions are not always facts. Carry on.

1 hour ago, darkstar8983 said:

Weird that ONLY the R160s with Alstom propulsion are getting transferred

 

This afternoon, an R68 appeared on the

I hope the Siemens testing on QB fails so that the Siemens R160Bs have to stay at CI for the

 

I did the math, and QB can be fully CBTC with all R160B Siemens staying in CI

 

 - 260 cars + 60 spares

 - 440 cars + 60 spares

 - 280 cars + 8 R46s on the 96 St trip (this train does not need to touch the Queens Blvd line at all) + 60 spares

= 320 + 500 + 340 = 1160 R160s needed

Then subtract 130 R160s from this total and Replace with 130 R179s from the  . 120 R46s to Pitkin for the  

Total R160s needed = 1030 (with 260 Siemens cars left over when/if QB CBTC fails, + 130 R179s)

 

Moves needed:

120 R46s to Pitkin for the  

All other R46s to Coney Island to be reassigned as follows:

200 R46s for the   + 48 spares = 248 R46s

20 R68 From Coney Island to Concourse for the  to have a total of 288 cars (240 for service + 48 for spares)

 

200 R68As + 24 R68 for the  (including the spares)

72 R68 for the  (52 + 20 as spares)

 

112 R46s for the  with 260 R160B Siemens cars including the spares and distributed as follows:

 - 170 R160s + 48 R46s

 - 70 R160s + 24 R46s

20 R160B Siemens and 40 R46s remain as spares.

 

this way, the only Coney Island R46s that run outside the weekday hours (roughly 6AM to 9:30PM) are the approximately 24 R46s that would be needed on the  to allow some R160s to rest (particularly the ones on the weekday  and some of the s that are not needed, seeing as how the other CI R46s are on weekday-only routes.

 

If there are any R46 shortages, the leftover R68s (about 32 cars) can be used on the .

I'm almost certain that whichever R160's remain at C.I. will be assigned to the , but like others have said, we shall see ... 

This is probably totally inaccurate

I'm just trying to do some math there. According to Lance's 09/16/2019 Car assignments:

•  uses 104-112 R46's
•  uses 248 R46's

So I assume that 360 R46's (not including spares or extras for potential fleet expansion) are being transferred from Jamaica to Coney Island, roughly 45 sets.

•  uses 290 R160's (along with 24 R68's and 8 R68A's)
•  uses 210 R160's (along with 8 R68/A's during the PM Rush) 

Roughly 50 sets of R160's are at Coney, with a minimum of 45 being transferred to Jamaica.

Crap , not gonna lie. As a South Brooklyn commuter on the  and  , I'm a little disappointed. A lot of R46's are pretty beat up and not a good look, especially if they're moved over to Brighton. I'd also miss those 46's on QBL. It's gonna be strange not to see them on the or  . On the plus side though, I think that means we'll (Coney) get R211's starting next year 😁 (if delivery is on schedule of course). 

Thanks for reading my mindless ramble. Carry on 🤣

On 10/26/2019 at 8:52 PM, Calvin said:

The Dekalb junction: that's correct going north but going south is like making a choice if the  and  or and  meet at the same time. 

I second this. The  doesn't know how to be on time for ANYTHING, but  and 's &  and  always arrive perfectly on time to interfere with one another, causing one of the trains to be held on the Bridge thru DeKalb Junction for 4-8 minutes. Annoying as hell.

Another annoying bottleneck is Whitehall Street. When I take my  into the city and I check MyMTA, if the  is scheduled to arrive within 2 minutes of a departing Queens Bound , we will be held before Whitehall St on a crowded  for 3-6 minutes. It drives me insane.

20 hours ago, XcelsiorBoii4888 said:

Still can't get over the fact that this entire order isn't open gangway...

 

Especially with how the media done told the entire NYC the next generation of cars will have open gangway.

An "option" shouldn't have been so media publicized. 

The  made it pretty clear that they were only going to order a 1 test set of open gangway R211's & I understand their reasoning. They want to test the technology before it's fully utilized, sorta like the R110A/B order. I remember seeing that the reason somewhere that  started this trend of ordering test sets was to to avoid the disaster that was the R44/46 order back in the 70's. They realized the new technology at the time (75' cars) should have been tested before being put into production. 

Hey guys,

I've recently decided to make a couple of purchases. Lets just say... I am very proud of this. Hope you guys enjoy.

Redbird Rollsign (Likely a Westchester or Corona Set)

R32 Phase II (Jamaica Set) Rollsign

*Note: This Rollsign's Northbound and Southbound Terminals were in the wrong places. Has since been corrected.

R40 or R40M Rollsign

R42 Rollsign

2 hours ago, Harry said:

You want your username changed to "NYCTNostalgia"?

Yes, please 👌

Hello all, for the past 10 years I have rocked the R32s username and it's been nice, but I am no longer 13 years old and R32's are not my favorite subway car anymore. With that being said, I'd like my user name to reflect my username on my transit Instagram page: NYCTNostalgia. Thanks to who ever can make this change possible.

Best,

Sean

On 9/20/2019 at 2:40 AM, Jsunflyguy said:

It was late 2001-2002. I'd say an 18 year gap is more than reasonable.


Now I will say, the Sea Beach Riders who had to deal with the temporary stations took a decent hit, but this service outage shouldn't effect the same group in terms of Peak Service. Intra Sea Beach ridership will feel it however. 

The people who will actually get hit by this are Brighton, anyone at CI for Broadway will jump on the  which will be fun...

The  was cut off from Coney Island from 1994-1995, and 2001-2005. Long gaps, yeah, but still annoying.

18 hours ago, Around the Horn said:

86.4% for the is complete nonsense...

You may not be stuck waiting 30 minutes anymore but you're still waiting 15-20 on the regular...

Agreed, I take the  Monday-Friday and I see trains running between every 6-20 mins during Rush Hour. Horrendously inconsistent. Additionally there's always considerable bunching on the , DAILY.

3 hours ago, CenSin said:

I did not expect to do this today, but I got on the and got lucky catching a  right across the platform at Sheepshead Bay.

 ride:

• Coney Island–Stillwell: -7:48
• West 8 Street: 7:50-7:50
• Ocean Parkway: 7:52-7:52
• ( across the platform continues to Brighton Beach to be put into service on the Manhattan-bound express track.)
• Brighton Beach: 7:53-7:53
• ( on the Coney Island-bound express track leaves the station simultaneously.)
• Sheepshead Bay: 7:55-7:56
• (Transferred to the from the . People on the held the train open.)

 ride:

• Sheepshead Bay: 7:55-7:56
• ( passed the  at Neck Road. It was already platformed.)
• Kings Highway: 7:59-7:59
• Newkirk Plaza: 8:03-8:03
• ( passed another at Beverly Road at 8:05.)
• Church Avenue: 8:06-8:06
• ( did not wait for the which pulled into the station across the platform shortly.)
• Prospect Park: 8:08-8:09
• 7 Avenue: 8:11-8:12
• Atlantic Avenue–Barclays Center: 8:13-8:14
• DeKalb Avenue: 8:17-8:17
• ( reached the junction at 8:18, with no other trains contending to traverse it. The entire train passed through the junction at 8:20, and got on the bridge at 8:21—including the last car of the train. The train reached the foot of the bridge at 8:24.)
• Grand Street: 8:25-8:25
• Broadway–Lafayette Street: 8:27-8:28
• ( train across the platform had trouble fully closing down due to crowds.)

It seems that a full Brighton express would be a 39-minute run from Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue to Broadway–Lafayette Street. That’s about 4 minutes faster than the , which took 44 minutes on Monday. That was supposed to take 40 minutes as scheduled, so it has potential if they can run decent service between 7 Avenue and Jay Street–MetroTech. It certainly beats the crap out of the  already, which takes about 46 minutes from Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue to Broadway–Lafayette Street.

In the  's defense, as a daily Brighton commuter of both the and  trains, I'd say the probability of getting an instant cross platform connection between the  & the  is roughly 2/10 Manhattan Bound (AM Rush) & 6/10 Brighton Beach/Coney Island bound (PM Rush). I'm not sure why the discrepancy between the two, but Manhattan Bound  trains do not hesitate to close the doors and leave the station as the  enters/discharges passengers at express stations. Majority of the time, when I transfer from the  to the  at Kings Highway, I wait on average 3-5 minutes so that practically makes up for those 4 minutes the  lost in your case. However, I could just be unlucky 🤷‍♂️.

I am all for this! As a daily  rider, this is much needed. Too much chaos and confusion at Times Square in the morning.

On 3/21/2019 at 11:50 AM, Around the Horn said:

Anyone know why this one  train went via the tunnel? It's created a huge gap.

Where are you pulling this data from?

Just an opinion, don't go shooting arrows at me (just kidding of course) but:

I personally never really considered a Nassau Street Line running via 4th Avenue again because before 2010,  ridership along West End and 4th Avenue was very minimal. However considering how most Brooklyn  riders transfer to the  & IRT lines between DeKalb Avenue and 59th Street, it sort of seems like the most practical option.

Possible Option:

• : Jamaica Center <> Bay Ridge-95 St via Jamaica Skip-Stop Express/Nassau Street-4th Avenue Local, Rush Hours. Other times,  Jamaica Center <> Bay Ridge-95th Street via Jamaica-Nassau Street-4th Avenue Local.

• Pros: 

1. Due to minimal interlining (only interlining with the  at Essex Street and Myrtle Avenue-Broadway versus the  interlining with the  at Queens Plaza,  at the 60th Street Tube,  at 34th Street-Herald Square,  at Whitehall Street and more recently  at 36th Street after 7PM due to Work Train assembly and  at 59th & 36th Streets due to construction that causes the  to stop at 45th & 53rd Street) delays and horrendous service gaps of 15 minutes+ would be reduced.
2. Direct South Brooklyn & Nassau Street service would be restored.
3. Direct South Brooklyn <> North Brooklyn service (believe it or not, I know many people including myself that would highly benefit from this).
4.  Nassau Street and Lower Manhattan Broadway stations are very close in proximity, minimal impact to Lower Manhattan riders.
5. Direct access to major hubs such as the Fulton Street Transit Center, City Hall & more Chinatown access. 
6. If the few Brooklyn Heights/DUMBO riders really rely on Broadway Service, a transfer would be available at DeKalb Avenue or Canal Street to Broadway Services.
7. Bay Ridge and 4th Avenue riders would finally ride on newer upgraded fleet, a step up from, the dingy R46's.

• Cons:

1. Correct me if I am wrong but I believe as a terminal, Bay Ridge-95th Street can only turn around so many trains an hour (I think the number is around 10). The  combined run a total 12 trains an hour (a frequency of 5 minutes). If 10 trains per hour is the maximum capacity that Bay Ridge-95th Street can turn around, 2  and/or  trips would have to be short turned at Broad Street, causing a slight gap in Rush Hour Service in Southern Brooklyn.
2. If the short turn option is a no-go, then the  would have to be reduced to a combined 10 trains per hour (a frequency of 6 minutes) which doesn't seem bad at first glance, but riders along the Jamaica Line would experience 12 minute frequencies (average 6 minute wait times) at Skip-Stop Stations. I don't think Jamaica riders would be too enthusiastic about that. However I believe it can be done because if you recall the  was in fact going to be reduced to 10 trains per hour as apart of the 14 Street Tube Shutdown Plan to make room for beefed up  service.
3. The  would deal with more interlining due to all temporary construction along 4th Avenue, may cause delays to ripple along the entire Jamaica-Nassau Line.
4. May ironically turn into another long Local Queens through Brooklyn line where a delay in Queens may cause delays to ripple all the way to Bay Ridge, thus solving nothing.

• : Forest Hills-71 Avenue <> Whitehall Street, all times except Late Nights (see ).

• Pros: 

1. Less Interlining = more reliable service.
2. Short, Sweet and to the point Local line connecting Queens and Manhattan.

• Cons:

1. May have to short turn trips at Canal Street during Peak-Hours if Whitehall can't handle the 7.5 trains per hour (frequency of 8 minutes) that the  currently runs during Rush Hours. (May not be an issue considering the  runs a single train per hour less.)
2. Reduced service south of Canal Street (back to post-2010 through pre-2016 frequencies) with only the  serving lower Manhattan.

• : Astoria-Ditmars Blvd <> Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue via Broadway Local/4th Avenue Express, all times except Late Nights. Late Nights,  Astoria-Ditmars Blvd <> Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue via Whitehall Street to compensate for loss of late night service south of Canal Street (unless Late Night Queens through Manhattan  service could be considered). Peak Service would have to be beefed up from 7.5 trains per hour (frequency of 8 minutes) to about 12 trains per hour (frequency of 6 minutes) to compensate for the loss of the .
• Pros: 

1. Extra  service along the route, especially for Sea Beach Riders.

• Cons:

1. May need to Short-Turn trains at Kings Highway or 86th Street-Gravesend during Peak Hours (not a huge deal in my opinion) due to beefed up service.
2. Beefed headways can cause more congestion on the Manhattan Bridge and Merge from the Express to the Local tracks along Broadway, delaying  service.
3. Absorption of the  would upset the many lovers of the line (including I).

• : Retired, much to my dismay, but if the MTA comply's with Bay Ridge's demands, I feel there is just no room for the  in this scenario.

In conclusion, there is no perfect way to solve the unpredictable service along the 4th Avenue Line. Chances are, the best service pattern for the aforementioned riders... is the one we currently have now!

It remains a very damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. It is very possible that there is no perfect solution with the way the subway system was built over a century ago. There just isn't enough time or money to reconfigure the subway system to meet 2019's demands. 

Thats just my 2 cents, I don't feel that the  is going to rearrange service, it is probably fine left just the way it is, even though it is pretty crappy. It's the best that can be done.

Just a few ideas on my mind:

As a weekday AM & PM Rush Hour  commuter between 57 St-7 Av & Avenue U, I constantly deal with the horrid  merge at 34th St which will slow down my  all the way to the bridge going south or stop us at 28th St on the express track going north, not to mention it causes delays on both the  and . Also god forbid there'd be a  merging in front of the  on the bridge going south, with all the timers, curves and insanely slow speed limits in the DeKalb Junction, this causes many gaps in service  service south of DeKalb Av, when trains are supposed to run roughly 7 minutes apart but will go from 2-4 minute intervals to 13-16 minute intervals at times during rush hour. 

My plan would be to completely de-interline the Broadway Line and the DeKalb Junction during normal hours:

•  96 St-2 Av to Coney Island via Broadway-4 Av Express via Sea Beach Daily, 5:00 AM-12:00 AM. Late Nights, Astoria-Ditmars Blvd to Coney Island via Broadway-4 Av Local via Whitehall St.

•  96 St-2 Av to Coney Island via Broadway-4 Av Express via West End (B'way Local during late nights).

•  Astoria-Ditmars Blvd to Whitehall St via Broadway Local, Daily 5:00 AM-12:00 AM. To compensate for the loss of the  in Astoria, the  will have to be bumped up to approximately 14 trains per hour (frequency roughly every 4-5 minutes, similar to the ) during peak-times. Unfortunately Whitehall St is not a sufficient terminus to accommodate 14 trains per hour and without proper fleet numbers to extend into Brooklyn, a couple of  will have to short-turn at Canal St (upper level) during peak-times.  

•  205 St-Norwood to Coney Island via 6 Av Express/Brighton Local.

Fleet Swaps/Changes: 

R68: 240 (30 Sets)

+1 Set of R68 Spares during Rush Hour will be used.

R68: 8 (1 Set)

R160: 210 (21 Sets)

+1 Set of R68 Spares during Rush Hour will be used.

R68: 8 (1 Set)

R160: 210 (21 Sets)

R68: 24 (3 Sets)

R160: 170 (17 Sets)

+5 Sets of R160 Spares during Rush Hour will be used.

Pros: 

• Reduced congestion. 
• Increased capacity.
• Minimal delays (especially on the Manhattan Bridge, which can be an absolute nightmare).

Cons:

• Astoria line loses Broadway Express service (although only 4 stops are skipped between 57 St-7 Av and Canal St, so not a huge loss).
• Brighton line loses direct Broadway service. Transfers will have to be made at Atlantic Av-Barclays Center, DeKalb Av or 34 St-Herald Square.
• West End & 4 Av Line loses direct 6 Av Service. Transfers will have to be made at Atlantic Av-Barclays Center, DeKalb Av or 34 St-Herald Square.

With this service pattern, there wouldn't be any interlining/merging of various lines, reducing delays and increasing capacity. 

Alternative Options:

• Cut weekend  and replace it with  to Astoria-Ditmars Blvd via Broadway Local. However this may cause signage complications and confusion among people.

• Keep the  via West End, replace Sea Beach service with the , Bedford Park Blvd/145 St-Coney Island, normal hours (96 St-2 Av late nights), providing Central Park West with weekend service.  Astoria-Whitehall St via Local,  96 St-2 Av to Brighton Beach/Coney Island,  eliminated. However extended  service during nights via 6 Av may be viewed as superfluous (unnecessary) & long time Sea Beach Riders likely wouldn't be to fond of losing  service. 

They aren't banned gtom the . They can always add C/Rs on weekends

Are you sure, because I was definitely informed that 6 car R32/42's were not allowed on the by a post that DJHammers (I think) posted sometime back.  

 

If worse comes to worst, the R32s can go on the or (not that many non-transit enthusiasts would like it).

I believe that R32's and R42's are banned from the because of OPTO.

A few trains to 96th-2nd might work since trains can get to the track to 57th from the Express track.

 

Still think long-term the way to do it is split the into and with the to 96th-2nd at all times.

I don't believe sending select trains to 96 St-2 Av is a good idea. I believe during Rush Hours in the peak direction when the is the only line serving busy Concourse line stations, removing trains from its 7-9 minute average headway would cause awkward 14-18 minute gaps in service and for the Concourse line, that is a no-no. 

Please note that this is resized for signatures, which is why it looks like this.

Thank you

Can I have one that says...

Atlantic Avenue - Pacific Street

((Mx)<R>

In terms of stops (Maximum) ...

-62

-58

-54

-46

(®-45

-42

-40

-39

-37

-36

-33

-30

-23

-21

-20

Rockaway Pk-5

Franklin Av-4

42 St-2

random:

I made my own Bullets using Akzidenz-Grotesk Font! I used paint. Heres a few examples:

 

click here for the Album...

 

Note: Anybody can use them. I am not trying to advertise...

Are these all yours?

Hi. May I please get a sign like this...

But orange and I want it to say,

Queens Blvd Local

6 Av Lcl/Fulton Exp

To Lefferts Blvd Queens