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This mess happened just about the same time as I started my commute back home... At about 5:30 PM, I was at Atlantic Ave waiting for the ... All , , and trains were running express from Atlantic Ave to 36th St at that time. The headway for all three lines were like 20 minutes...

In the past, the West End had higher ridership than the Sea Beach, but according to the 2010 ridership statistic, both lines have similar ridership, with the West End a little bit higher. This may be simply because the West End has more stations, however. The Sea Beach's ridership is increasing in a faster rate. Bay Parkway is the only station on the West End that has more than 2 millions riders in 2010, while the Sea Beach has 3, they are 8th Ave, Fort Hamilton Parkway, and Bay Parkway. That is why I said that extending to the Sea Beach actually benefits more people. Unfortunately, it isn't going to work. Both lines don't need a second service anyway.

Now I got it. Thank You.

I am not asking for a second service to the Sea Beach. In fact, neither the Sea Beach nor the West End needs a second service. What I wanted to convey in the previous post was that extending to the Sea Beach serve more people than doing so to the West End. BTW, in response to your posts, it seems like 86th St can serve as a terminal since it has direct access to the CI Yard. (12 stops, I know...) I am not good at reading track map, current me if I am wrong.

First of all, hello everyone, I am a new member but I have been here for a long time as a guess. It seems like you always want a second service to the West End. By looking at the ridership statistics , I never think it is necessary. Yes, the Fourth Avenue Line does need more service, but not for the West End Line. If a second local service is coming to the Fourth Avenue Line and it can be extended 10 more stops south of 36th ST, the Sea Beach would be a better choice than the West End since this service pattern serves more potential riders. (Do the math...) Running the local in Manhattan isn't that bad. What I hate the most is when south bound and meet at Union Square. When this happens, most of the time the will be held at Prince St for a few minutes.