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3 hours ago, B35 via Church said:

man, this character knows how to use google maps... the nationalgeographic maps he drew in the bus section is a ploy to throw us off... He's a former member on here that's trying to weasel his way back into people's good graces... People on here posing as their own fathers to try to rectify matters... Goofy shit.

Thanks for the compliment 👌

On 9/14/2020 at 3:01 PM, Vulturious said:

This is actually not a bad idea. Essentially, this acts as another line on the East side of Manhattan which it desperately needs. However, it won't become a reality due to Second Av underway and we don't even know if that is going to be a thing in the next few years. It might be another scenario where the next phase isn't coming until another 100 years unfortunately. Although, I would like the MTA look into this.

Not so fast...I once proposed a Fifth Avenue subway a long time ago only to be told that this would mean a lot of bus cuts along the way.

1 hour ago, New Flyer C40LFR said:

nice proposal! how do you use that map feature? the one i use is very cumbersome, and that one seems easy! how did you do it?

Used the line tool for the Route layer and the marker too for the Stations layer.

Brooklyn-LGA Crosstown: https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=13I9vecZGJDpc7SIpyjtbMZdPGwJW3OaY&ll=40.77632194205362%2C-73.91061300701041&z=11

Reverted back to the X once again, this time with an airport extension.

Manhattan transfers in Queens:

Astoria Blvd

41 Av

Court Sq-44 Dr

3 minutes ago, Kamen Rider said:

Um... I am 100% sure that new 2 tunnel is not going to work. 145th is too close to the water ether way you slice it unless the line takes a long swing west and loops under itself.

Could building a new, full-length station underneath the existing one work as well?

13 minutes ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

You’ve got a point about it being likely the rest of SAS may likely never materialize. But it’s not really that much less realistic that an 8 Lexington Avenue Local up 3rd Avenue. You would still have the same EIS study and construction costs to deal with either way. 

Assuming the Pelham connection is already built, an alternative routing I considered for the 8 is via Park Av instead of via 3 Av, right above the Metro-North ROW between 161 St and Gun Hill Rd/Webster Av as an elevated structure: https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1RmsavrGnkmsggmrEUBYr_a8xyp1FYBUa&ll=40.7955583904281%2C-73.93537975&z=11

On the other hand, a new upper level at the 239 St Yard would need to be built to accommodate storage space for 8 trains, as this is the most accessible maintenance facility for the route.

2 hours ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said:

I find it interesting that you plan to send the  to Pelham Bay Park and to introduce a new service along 3rd Avenue. Although, doing this adds more interlining to the system at no additional benefits. Although, I can't argue with the notion of 145th Street being extended for 10 Cars (with a new tunnel) even though I'd consider that to be a low Priority. 

Might I also point out the fact that while your proposal introduces a 3rd Avenue Line making the transfer with the  at 3rd Avenue-149th Street, you might as well send the  to Dyre Avenue and leave the  handling Pelham Bay alone. Although, I did think of another idea that might interest you

Since your goal is to send the  via the Pelham Line, why not swap the alignments of the Pelham and White Plains Road Lines at Hunts Point instead? Over there, you'll be able to create a new transfer between the 7th Avenue and Lexington Lines (Those being the  and  Lines). In addition, that leaves the potential for the creation of a Transit Hub because Amtrak (and soon the Metro North) pass by that area. Although, the only downside to that is that you'd have to build a new Underground Station at Hunts Point for the ( and)  in addition to widening the street in order to build a portal (and new station on Westchester Avenue) which would require eminent domain.  The changes in this scenario would be the following:

 - Pelham Bay Park to Flatbush Avenue-Brooklyn College via "Pelham, 7th Avenue Express and Eastern Parkway Local". Some trains would run express in the peak direction. 

- Pelham Bay Park to New Lots Avenue. "via Pelham, 7th Avenue Express and Eastern Parkway Local". If I don't decide to include a Harlem Shuttle, then some trains would be rerouted to Harlem-148th Street.

 - Harlem-148th Street to 135th Street-Lenox Avenue (this would require expanding 135th Street station which isn't included in this proposal but still worth considering)

 - Same route as today but service would be doubled. 

 - Dyre Avenue to Brooklyn Bridge-City Hall. "Bronx and Lexington Local"

 - Wakefield-241st Street to Brooklyn Bridge-City Hall. "Bronx and Lexington Local"

 - Wakefield-241st Street to Brooklyn Bridge-City Hall. "Bronx Express" between East 180th and 3rd Avenue-138th Street. 

I know this plan doesn't include 3rd Avenue, but thats mainly because I'd prefer if it were a part of SAS instead of Lexington. Anyways, here's my map:

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1XA_Bb9gktIXPBvejC3uokCbKGCxBLFSR&usp=sharing

 

But there's too much doubt about SAS coming to life, so I decided to make the Central Bronx corridor a Lexington Av local service instead, not to mention being much cheaper and perhaps more realistic than waiting on a mythical trunk line that would likely never materialize. If I were to use your map as a platform, my 8 train would join in with the as a second express service between the Gun Hill Rd station and Utica Av. One adjustment to make would be adding switches to the express tracks at 125 St in my track map.

Thoughts on sending the  to Parkchester? This is what I proposed so far:

Here, the 145 St station would be lengthened for full-length trains and the connection to the WPR Line would be rerouted via this station with the existing tunnel abandoned. The  would no longer serve 148 St (which would be closed) and be rerouted via a new connection under 138 St to the 3 Av  station. From here, the  would make all stops to Parkchester. Both the  and  would operate at 12 TPH during rush hours.

With capacity now spared along the Lexington Avenue local tracks, a new (8) train would operate between Gun Hill Road and Brooklyn Bridge via a new connection to a station at 138 St between Alexander and Willis Avs (built below the existing Pelham Line), where a free transfer to the  and  trains is available. The (8) would operate via 3 Av and Webster Av in the Bronx and would also run at 12 TPH during rush hours.

My proposed service plan for the  and  services are as follows:

Weekdays:

 - Parkchester to New Lots Avenue; local in the Bronx and Brooklyn; express in Manhattan

 - Pelham Bay Park to Brooklyn Bridge; local (express in the Bronx during rush hours and middays in the peak direction)

(8) - Gun Hill Road to Brooklyn Bridge; local

Weekends:

 - Parkchester to New Lots Avenue; local in the Bronx and Brooklyn; express in Manhattan

 - Pelham Bay Park to Brooklyn Bridge; local

(8) - Gun Hill Road to 138 St; local

Late nights:

 - Pelham Bay Park to Times Sq-42 St; local in the Bronx and express in Manhattan (replaces  service in the Bronx)

 - No service

(8) - Gun Hill Road to Brooklyn Bridge; local (replaces  service in Manhattan)

Decided to make my map editable so others could make changes as desired, so here's the link again: https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1CMgsFN_N1-Q7w0sDstZ8_w78CBOmQid3&ll=40.75552482613223%2C-73.89866749999997&z=11

19 minutes ago, B35 via Church said:

Cool, but perhaps you could've added the stops it'd make in Manhattan as well.

Right now I'm in the process of editing the map so that's why you see stops removed. In the meantime I'm taking a good look at track maps to see if 34th Street could work out better. I'm looking into finding a way to align the trackage so there's no interference with existing railroad lines at Penn Station, in addition to finding a routing past the messy tangle of tracks on the IND lines in LIC.

24 minutes ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

This is true, but honestly, I think it may not be that big of a drawback. Yes, the H misses the  and  trains, as well as the  if the current 8th Avenue service setup is retained (if CPW is deinterlined with the  and  running local instead of the  and , then all 8th Avenue service would stop at 50th St). But we don’t really have any concrete evidence that a huge number of H riders would be looking specifically to transfer to/from the express trains. Judging by past comments made about where to put a new crosstown service, my guess is that with the 50th corridor being close to the heart of Midtown, we’d be likely to see a lot more people just getting off there and walking to their jobs.

Any disadvantages with routing it along 57th instead of 50th?

Map of my proposed H route: https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1CMgsFN_N1-Q7w0sDstZ8_w78CBOmQid3&ll=40.75340388563314%2C-73.89827102269206&z=13

24 minutes ago, Caelestor said:

50 St Crosstown. The Northern Blvd Line would run under 45 Ave in LIC.

Once again, the drawback here is that most of 50th Street is only served by local trains. It wouldn't be as popular with riders as a crosstown line that's readily served by expresses, like 42nd Street and 14th Street. Hence why I opted for 57th Street instead, even though the trains are just 2 to 3 blocks to the north.

1 minute ago, B35 via Church said:

Just to 162nd? May as well double track something like that & call it a day.... TPH at your discretion.

It would run at around the same frequency as the which is also local-only along its entire route.

21 minutes ago, Caelestor said:

The  only has two tracks and does perfectly fine. The key is to realize that new stations should have multiple exits, which effectively increases the catchment area of each stop. You see this on SAS where 72, 86, and 96 St stations all have exits on 69, 83, and 94 Streets.

Similarly, an entirely local Northern Blvd line will work because of wider stop spacing. Between Manhattan and Flushing, it should only be stopping at

• Vernon Blvd / 11 St
• Court Sq
• Northern Blvd / Broadway
• 74 St
• 82 St
• Junction Blvd
• 108 St

which is the same number of stops that the  has. The Northern Blvd line would be a straight shot into Midtown, and I expect most of the  passengers to switch over actually.

Would it use 57th Street as a crosstown route in Manhattan? Or would another street sound better?

28 minutes ago, bobtehpanda said:

The trend around the world has been for wider stop spacing on only two tracks.

Three tracks doesn't provide any additional capacity benefit; in fact it cuts frequency at local stations. And Northern Blvd lacks obvious "express" station placements.

What about Roosevelt Avenue? For decades since the debut of the express just before the 1939 World's Fair, it has proven itself as very popular with riders along the route.

14 minutes ago, B35 via Church said:

Riders in general love their express trains, so some sort of express would be ideal....

As an aside, what two endpoints/terminals would this subway line of sorts have?

I plan to run it as the line (in a pink bullet) between 162nd Street and Northern Boulevard (near the LIRR Broadway station) and the 34th Street-Hudson Yards station (at a lower level below the existing platform). It would not share any trackage with other subway lines except for a non-revenue connection to the main QBL at the 36th Street interlocking. The side platforms at the 36th Street station would be converted to island platforms to allow it to be served by Northern Boulevard trains (a map would be uploaded soon).

Would it be ideal to incorporate peak-directional express service on a future Northern Boulevard/57th Street subway line? Or would local-only service make more sense?

39 minutes ago, bobtehpanda said:

"Too close" doesn't really matter. You're trying to connect people to jobs, so go where the jobs are. Midtown is a tight, narrow place, so it follows that subway lines serving it will be close together.

In that case, the harder part is finding a routing around the tangled mess of tracks in LIC. The junction around Queens Plaza and 36th Street is total chaos, by operation and by design.

5 minutes ago, F O O L said:

I suppose one benefit of this is that it could act as a Queens-Bronx connecter of some sorts? If this is purely fictional, then might as well kinda run it down to jamaica from flushing similar to a q44 type route since extending it out to a transit desert might cause a lot people to transfer to a train that actually goes to midtown at flushing main st. Extensions east in this fictional map should be served by trains that go to midtown.

Edit: also fix your stop spacing, some stops don't need to be so close and I don't think express service (if thats what the white circles indicate) is necesssary.

On the other hand, finding a good corridor to use as a crosstown subway route in Manhattan is the hard part. 57th is too close to 59th, while 34th is overbuilt with commuter rail lines feeding into Penn Station. 50th may seem like a nice start but most stations along its vicinity are only served by local trains.

Thoughts on a subway line that connects Upper Manhattan and Queens? It could function as an alternative to cross-river Midtown routes: https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1w2lqB-KVq0M_l10CAMNH54AScEDnhfBR&ll=40.78847128713772%2C-73.91472575405922&z=13

125th Street crosstown subway to Queens: https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1w2lqB-KVq0M_l10CAMNH54AScEDnhfBR&ll=40.78670813304815%2C-73.88107114999998&z=11

6 minutes ago, loveofelevators said:

Line:  New Lots Line

 serves Utica Avenue Subway

Staions:

Borough Hall:  [Express Station]

Fulton Street [Local Station]

Hoyt Street [Local Station

Nevins Street [Express Station]

Atlantic-Barclays:  [Express Station}

Bergen Street [Local Station]

Grand Army Plaza [Local Station]

E Pkwy-Bklyn Museum [Local Station]

Franklin Avenue:  [Express Station]

Nostrand Avenue [Local Station]

Kingston Avenue [Local Station]

Crown Heights-Utica Av:

[ replaces Livonia Avenue Line]

Rutland Road [Local Station]

East 96th Street [Local Station]

Sutter Avenue [Express Station]

Winthrop Street [Local Station]

Saratoga Avenue [Local Station}

Rockaway Avenue [Local Station]

Junius Street:  [Express Station]

Pennsylvania Avenue [Local Station]

Van Siclen Avenue [Local Station]

New Lots Avenue:  [Express Station]

 

 

 

 

If there's no rationale behind those unrealistic "proposals" you're posting here, you're just trolling and clogging up the thread with nonsense 😕

36 minutes ago, Bay Ridge Express said:

Hopefully, there will also be a seamless cross-platform transfer at Grand St.

And switches too.

On the other hand, there also needs to be an SAS service to Jamaica via a new super-express QBL bypass to relieve pressure on Lexington transfers. Here's what my plan calls for:

- skips 75 Av and Briarwood at all times except late nights; otherwise unchanged

- all service rerouted via QBL Bypass; rest of route unchanged

- new full-time SAS service between 179 St and Hanover Sq via 63 St and QBL Bypass, making local stops east of 71 Av

Thoughts on this?

Assuming Phase 4 of the SAS is finished, would it be ideal to build a connection to the Montague Street Tunnel? Fourth Avenue and West End could probably benefit from an SAS service if such a connection is ever approved.