RollOver

Haven't been to this thread in a while lol.

These are all amazing btw.

Forgot to add something (bolded in red):

Sigh, fine. I get it.

 

But don't surprise if they add a bit more service in the real world for the shutdown and the delays on the northbound Queens Boulevard Local during the rush get more bad. This also means that the can't be full-length (which would allow all its current fleet of R160s and the future R179s to be push off to the east) either by then I suppose, given that the R211s won't actually be delivered right away at the time of the 14th Street Tube Shutdown. So we're just gonna have to get used to the delays at Forest Hills on the northbound locals for decades to come.

You’d only need 3 train sets, but that’s still more than 0, so your point still stands.

You and Bob know me very well in this forum though.

You honestly thought I was dumb enough to not realize the headways, the running time and the number of trains needed (which I'm already well aware of) on each and every line?   CenSin, your data lesson was not needed here. I was just saying to relieve the Forest Hills delays with my proposed extension. The only downside of my proposal is that almost everyone east of Forest Hills are on their way towards Manhattan and won't care about the local, as well as everything else I said in the first post above yours. That was it.

The runs at least every 8 minutes. The travel time to 179 St is 19 minutes. You'd need to materialize 5 trainsets out of thin air to use on the to maintain frequency, for an extension that wouldn't garner any riders, and this is before we're talking about raising frequency for the shutdown in 2019.

Sigh, fine. I get it.

But don't surprise if they add a bit more service in the real world for the shutdown and the delays on the northbound Queens Boulevard Local during the rush get more bad. This also means that the can't be full-length (which would allow all its current fleet of R160s and the future R179s to be push off to the east) either by then I suppose. So we're just gonna have to get used to the delays at Forest Hills on the northbound locals for decades to come.

If the ran to 179th, you'd need to find more trains for it.

 

There's also the issue that no one in their right mind would take an from 179th when the is available, but that's a whole 'nother discussion. Unless you're talking about making the a full express to 179th; they found out in the '80s that local riders east of Forest Hills will just not put up with only all-local service.

Unlike some of the members on this forum (especially CenSin) that you yourself and Lance lectured me for personally criticizing just fairly recently, I wouldn't dare make the express anywhere along its route outside of the Queens Boulevard Line and completely go against the aforementioned ridership demands. Of course I know why they stopped running local service to and from 179th back in the '80s.

Anyway, my whole goal is to simply relieve the Forest Hills delays on the local and . Because the plain fact is that back when the was running, all Queens Boulevard local service were entirely R46s and both the and would often swap trainsets east of Forest Hills. Now with the taking the 's place, any Queens Boulevard local trains can no longer swap cars due to the being 480 feet long and the being 600 feet long respectively. Instead, only one train at a time can relay east of Forest Hills and is the major reason for alot of rush hour northbound Queens Boulevard local delays between Roosevelt and Forest Hills.

I know it's unlikely the will ever do that (as the views over time have made clear), but the point of the last one was that the is a particular case because with it being 480 feet, theoretically it could if ever needed run to Broadway Junction if for some reason BOTH Cranberry and Rutgers are not able to be used so at least people who normally ride through Fulton in Brooklyn can still make a transfer there.  That was simply my point.

At least you aren't afraid to speak out your mind and stick to your own self.

Yeah, but once the entirety of the R179 and R211 cars are delivered, respectively, they will be enough cars for all 's (not just some 's) to be extended to and from 179th to relieve Forest Hills. Which is also a part of the reason why the should be full-length, to push the R179s and R160A-1s to the east for the aforementioned extension.

So forgetting all of the most recent completely lousy ass lectures (including the technical ones) in the thread about that stupid proposed real world's Culver Express trash and moving on, here are a couple of things that I think is worth looking into in the foreseeable future...

-Rehab of any poor conditioned stations.

-Transfer between the and at Broadway and Lorimer Street.

-Change the current structure layout upstairs in the mezzanine areas at stations that don't offer a free transfer between directions (meaning stations like the local ones north of Nostrand Avenue, not meaning stations like Nostrand Avenue/Fulton Street or 86th Street/Lexington Avenue).

-Make the local west of Myrtle Avenue-Broadway outside of the skip-stop service, to allow Jamaica/Nassau Street Line riders a direct transfer to the rather than changing to the or the .

-Make the full-length with the future R211 expansion order if possible, which can push off the R179s to the east for fleet expansion or service increases.

-Extend the to and from 179th Street to relieve 71st Avenue.

-Get rid of all the "local" announcements and change some minor announcements such as restoring the old "This is a Manhattan-bound train" announcement previously made by Chowdery.

-If that Culver Express crap fails and everything goes back to being completely local, the agency should look into extending the permanently to and from 18th Avenue, using the middle track at the station with diamond X switches between that station and Ditmas Avenue if possible. Or instead, just keep it at Church Avenue and the agency can go along with the most recent Culver Express proposal (posted in the other thread).

This is all I can think of for now.

-> Since   leaves 6th Ave,   will run more frequently, maybe some   running express in Brooklyn during rush hours

The currently runs at 15 tph during the rush, much like the does. When both lines run together on the Queens Boulevard Express, that's 30 tph combined, meaning that's a train every 2 minutes. It's impossible for a train to run more than 2 minutes apart. So basically, there's no other way you could run express service on the Culver Line in Brooklyn. The can't run more frequently because of its merging with the in Queens and for the reasons I've mention in the second sentence on this post. Unless you want to lower the 's headways (which can't happen due to ridership on the Jamaica Center branch and the 53rd Street branch) to allow more trains. While it's possible to run more midday/evening service (which currently runs 8-9 tph like the ), I doubt ridership during middays/evenings is high.

Was there a G/O listed for the during 9PM today? For some reason, there are trains to Utica running local from Barclays up to Franklin Av

No. It's actually quite normal. The official schedule has southbound trains making local stops in Brooklyn to Utica around 9 something. It's been this way since like the aftermath of those 2010 cuts I believe. I think local service on the southbound Brooklyn portion of the starts after about 9:30 pm-ish or so.

Well, this is one hell of a surprise.

The between 96th and South Ferry only uses 10 trains? I thought the number would be much higher...

Well, the run between 96 and SF is shorter than the entire line between 242 and SF, and that the runs less frequently on weekends.

@Around the Horn (if you're reading this thread): I have to admit, I finally agree with what you said about the automated NTT announcements a couple months back. I can't remember the exact name of the thread (or the exact date) though. But anyway, yeah I agree with you that any line that makes all stops without an express service throughout its run shouldn't need to say "local" in it. Just "train" and that's it.

A railfan saying the NTT RFW is better than the view on the R32s? That's a first. The poor RFW view is the main reason a lot of railfans seem to dislike the NTT in the first place 

 

To me, the view on the older cars is better as you can see every little detail right in of the train... which is not noticeable on the NTT cause the view is so distorted.

Yeah. Even the R62/62As, you can see a clear view of the front window, despite them having full-width cabs. The NTTs and the R44/46s, however, the view is quite blurry. Can you believe Around the Horn? 

There's a handhold next to it on the NTT's so that a plus too...

Still disagree with you, but at the end, each to their own.

I've seen that set like a few days ago on the uptown side at Chambers while I was waiting for my downtown lol.

The NTT's RFW's are just as fine if not better to watch (but not record cause of that whole three layer glass thing)

Hmm? Nah, no way.

What’s wring with buying a domain name on the cheap and using $2.5/month hosting? It guarantees control over your website (mostly).

Well for some reason, I thought MysteriousBtrain's wiki was the easiest option for me to post all my junction bottleneck reconfigurations and all of my other fantasies. On any wiki on the wikia network, they actually let you create your own page, photo, etc. and stuff like that.

I'll just present the links of what's left of some of my fantasy world here for the time being (not all of pages that I created on MysteriousBtrain's Wiki are fully finished yet, however, but they are what they are nonetheless):

http://mtanyctransitfanon.wikia.com/wiki/RollOverTheFloor%27s_New_York_City_Subway_track_layout_changes

http://mtanyctransitfanon.wikia.com/wiki/New_York_City_Subway_car_assignments_(RollOverTheFloor)

http://mtanyctransitfanon.wikia.com/wiki/New_York_City_Subway_rolling_stock_(RollOverTheFloor)

http://mtanyctransitfanon.wikia.com/wiki/New_York_City_Subway_shop_facility_assignments_(RollOverTheFloor)

http://mtanyctransitfanon.wikia.com/wiki/New_York_City_Subway_rules_and_prohibition_(RollOverTheFloor)

Yelp, that's that.

Btrain, I'm going to find somewhere else where I can place all my stuff from wikia instead. Some swine from the wikia community contacted me yesterday and claimed that the block "appears to be doing its job to prevent bad edits so it's not like I'm inclined to lift." Without any real proof/evidence that I was vandalizing/spamming in my contributions. I just scoffed and cringed at the response with shame and disgust.

The has the same 10 minute headways like the on Sundays and that's when I often see trains actually spending more time at 207 unless they're late of course.

Was thinking about this the other day.

 

I know they can't put 160s on the because they'll fry in the Rockaways, but why not put them on the Ozone Park bound ? Would they be a problem there too?

 

I say this only because the crowding conditions on an R160 are better than an R46 IMO.

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app

Any 60 feet cars are better crowd handlers than 75 feet cars. But Around the Horn is, unfortunately, right. The 's headways, even during the off-peak hours (except Sunday), is more frequent which is why trains often never spend enough time at 207.

Yeah, thanks...I guess the admin staff on the wikia network seem to have a block-first mentality. Happens all the time unfortunately on both wiki and even wikipedia where I used to edit at.

Good luck on your ideas btw Btrain.

"Your MTA Wiki" is where Btrain and I both make our own ideas, respectively. Sometimes, we present them here in the forums. For some odd reason, they blocked my account there as well as across all other wiki network for "spamming" and "vandalizing". But I know for sure it's a compete error, because I did nothing like that at all.

Anyway, I already contacted them about the wrongful permanent blocking (dunno where they come from with that BS) but I have to wait for the next 2 or 3 days. I just hope all's well.

Something went terribly wrong this morning in the wikia network where both MysteriousBtrain and I make our own ideas. I'm going to contact them, so that sooner or later, I could hopefully get back to editing my ideas as well as the other wikis. I don't see how did they accused me of spamming and vandalizing when I never did such such a thing.

*Facepalm* Sorry MysteriousBtrain.

I know that this is old, but, how are you doing with this plan?

It's taking a long while. Given how complex the subway system here in New York City is. I think I might postponed for now because it's putting a huge strain on my eyes. There are also other issues I'm facing with the plan too which is why I consider postponing it.

From what I've read on the posters when I got off the at Rutland, Rockaway and Van Siclen are set to re-open Monday if I remember correctly.