qjtransitmaster

The Jericho quad could have just been transferred to the N73.

Nope the Q64 is good the way it is. The turn around for the Q64 would be difficult. Having to go either to Utopia Parkway or Kissena Blvd just to turn around won't work. It works with the QM4 because most of the time the buses head back to the depot or they sometimes they switch with the QM1.

that explains the QM4'S Route.

Why not leave the routes as is, and if the issue is not enough QM24 service, implement QM24 service as a new service.

Those proposals (for the most part) add unnecessary mileage and runtime.

actually this reduces qm5 milage as it will bypass Union tpk & queens blvd but that change will be middays & evenings only. After 188th@ LIE it will be non stop to 69th and Eliot making QM24 Stops to Manhattan giving most QM24 riders full-time service the reason for this instead of separate QM24 buses is to have more riders per bus during off-peak times.

Consider the source (and I'm not being insulting with that either).....

 

There's a reason I didn't reply to those ideas of his.... He's doing nothing more than trying to "New Jersey" our commuter express routes.... There is no way in hell you're gonna have a route take on the QM18 to then swing over to Rosedale & serve those folks without significantly increasing runtime.... Same goes for having one route serve the eastern portion of the real x68 & the western portion of the QM3....

 

I can hop on a 165T (for example) & feel as if once I get out of the helix, I'm straight - Regardless if I'm going to Hackensack or Westwood (last stop).... I can not say the same if I'm on QJT's suggested x68 route & I need Bellerose/Floral Park....

Interesting logic mine is to get x68 off queens blvd to speed up the trip while increasing express service along northern Blvd.

 

As for x64 reroute logic is to spare those riders from the van wyck and retain express service on the western portion of hillside as well as increase x64 ridership slightly even though it performs better than the bxm4 & avoid competition with frequent Q83 LTD service and challenging the Q3 which is not as great is much easier even for just a stint.

 

The x63 move is to avoid van wyck traffic mainly I won't expect lefferts to pick up much it just justifies dropping the QM18 Even though cait pointed out that it's ridership is dismal in other words I am using MTA standard logic with this move no this x63 won't stop on queens blvd.

 

The QM6/4 move is consolidating buses thus removing empty buses.

The QM5 move is to speed up the trip while adding new service to a corridor that needs it the most. In other words less wasted time on queens blvd & Union tpk(west). Rather than add full-time QM24 buses that may just empty out past Eliot anyway. In other words more riders per bus & avoiding going against the QBL express directly doing more with less.

 

 

Interesting is lefferts blvd & northern Blvd that bad? Is northern Blvd worse than queens blvd? For x63 move I may have made an error. The x64 in a nutshell is to skip van wyck. Qm5 to add to Eliot & reach fresh meadows faster when the LIE is not as bad. Question how is LIE & it's service rd on weekends between 69th & 188th? I did notice exit 19 service rd ect is sometimes used by some bus operators to skip past main LIE traffic I witnessed it on a Manhattan bound QM2 while I used it.

You could have the Rosedale Express' first stop on Linden or on Merrick (@ Linden Blvd). However, for the last option the Rochdale bus would have to make all stops.

 

A setup like that could work in the PM

 

I have several set-ups, I don't know, of those which you prefer the most, so here's the set-ups

 

Option 1:

X63 (Rosedale): Non-stop until 170 Street

X63A/QM21: All current X63 stops until Guy R Brewer

 

Option 2:

X63 (Rosedale): "Limited-stop", stopping at Union Tpke, Sutphin, and 170 Street, making all current stops afterward

63A :all X63 stops until Guy R Brewer, then current QM21 routing

 

Option 3 (Your Proposal):

X63: All current stops (+ QM21 stops on Linden)

QM21: Non-stop from Hoover to Guy R Brewer, then current routing

 

Option 4 (My Suggestion):

X63 Rosedale: All current stops ; select peak bus

QM21: Rochdale Express (non-stop from Hoover to Guy R Brewer)

X63 Rosedale Express: Non stop until 170 ; select peak bus

 

Option 5 (Alternative Suggestion): 

X63 Rosedale Express (non stop until 170); select Peak buses (where a QM21 bus is right behind it or near it as scheduled)

QM21: ALL QM21/X63 stops until Guy R Brewer, then on to Rochdale

X63 Rosedale: Midday and select Peak buses.

 

 

 

Essentially What would happen

 

PM

 

X63 buses from 1 Avenue (Rosedale Super Express): 4:04 PM, 4:34 PM, 5:02 PM, 5:41 PM, 6:35 PM, 7:00 PM

X63 buses from 1 Avenue (Rosedale): 3:49 PM, 4:19 PM, 4:48 PM, 5:14 PM, 5:26 PM, 5:56 PM, 6:15 PM

X63A buses from 1 Avenue (Rochdale): 4:07 PM, 4:37 PM, 5:07 PM, 5:37 PM, 6:07 PM, 6:37 PM, 7:07 PM, 8:07 PM, 9:07 PM.

 

AM

 

Service would be kept, so residents still have option for 3 Avenue or Madison Avenue service.

 

 

explain your reasoning for keeping the qm21 while x63 needs the buses and is what folks flock to.

Express bus queens reshaped: motivation to make buses carry more per bus and speed up some routes even increase service on some corridors even by accident. Remove duplicative service.

Streamlined and corridor boost:

X63 taken off van wyck rerouted to lefferts partially replacing QM18. evening service added 5 additional trips these extra trips end at hook creek blvd & Merrick. End QM21 & 18 They are dead.

 

X68 rerouted via clear view expressway & northern Blvd making express stops on northern Blvd then follows QM3's route to Manhattan x68 routing won't change in Manhattan. Queensbound routing to be determined. New 212 st stop @hillside.

 

X64 drops liberty ave stops & dropped from van wyck as van wyck sucks. Rerouted to hillside ave replacing x68 stops. 1 stop at Frances Lewis & 1 queensbound 199th stop dropped. X64 becomes faster & x63 spared from van wyck traffic.

 

Qm1 reduced to peak only but extended to little neck via 188th/utopia and northern Blvd replacing QM3. Now you can drop QM3 as more frequent bus lines take over. People on northern Blvd will have more exp buses.

 

QM5/6 streamlined to decrease travel time to Manhattan & duplication of QBL exp&short bus ride. QM4 becomes peak only but QM6 (off-peak) will serve 164th street then cover jewel ave replacing QM4 offpeak then use van wyck to LIE for Manhattan.

 

Qm5 via 188th to LIE then non stop to 69th street then covers Eliot ave giving QM24 riders offpeak service through QM5 which will make QM24 stops to Manhattan.

That doesn't seem like a good enough reason to give midday service to one area when the other two areas have similar lengthy

commutes.

 

As for the Q32 given how many old buses they have I would take what you saw on BusTime with a grain of a salt. Pathetic that they have such old buses parading around on 5th and Madison Avenues.

you do realize Q32 duplicates the right? Hence the lack of newer buses it just isn't a priority for the MTA.

TBH, I thought the Q50 should have ended at Dreiser to begin with.... That's what I thought the MTA was gonna have it do when they came out w/ this Bx23 from having split the old QBx1.... Instead, they ended up having the Q50 bypassing it, running along the outskirts/edge of Co-op (baychester av, co-op city blvd), to end in section 5...

 

If only there were more space to end it with the BxM7.....

 

 

 

 

Those QV expresses man, it's the same with all of them; (but in this particular case/side discussion, I'll particularly mention) folks have long gotten into the mode of making sure they catch the x63... The Qm21 as a standalone route doesn't flourish partly because of this..... Worse than that, I find that the Qm21 operates against the x63; don't really know how to put it, so I'll explain.... When the masses are all on x63's already, this is when you'll see QM21's operating within minutes behind it, not picking up much of anyone (besides the few that are going directly to Rochdale)....

 

They can run Qm21's as late as they want... When the hustle mentality exists to catch those last x63 trips, it renders those trips that get to Rochdale around a quarter after 9 & 10 pm just about useless....

 

The more trips they add to the x63, the more useless the Qm21 will become... Book it.

 

Those are reasons why I say the Qm21 should just be relegated to being a short turn of the x63 (Rochdale express; no stops on linden blvd)....

qm21 is a short turn of the x63 basically TA just won't admit it.

Or truncate M4 @ Columbia university allowing for more service.

now that is just plain extreme

new ideas.

Extend the Q19 to 125th St/Lexington Ave via the RFK Bridge

Truncate the Q60 to Queens Plaza and replace with the Q66 going to Manhattan

reroute the Q50 in Co-Op City to follow the BxM7 and terminate at Dreiser Loop

Truncate the Q32 to Grand Central Terminal.

extend the Q34 further into Whitestone via the former Q14 route.

eliminate the Q15A

create 3 new express routes

QM9-Wall Street variant of the QM2

QM13-Wall Street variant of the QM3

QM19-Wall Street variant of the QM20

also extend the hours of QM3 service. 6-9 to Manhattan, 4-7 from Manhattan

all but the first 2 make sense. Qm13 not needed. No comment on qm3.

LIRR and MNRR UniTickets are only for weekly and monthly riders only. There are no such thing as local LIRR Pass.

LIRR Weekly/Monthly tickets works on NYC Subways, certain NYC Buses that serves LIRR and all NICE Buses, free boarding with M15/M34/A SBS.

MNRR Weekly/Monthly tickets works all Bee-Line Buses, HudsonRailink, NYC Buses, free d taxi fare boarding on Bx12 SBS/M15 SBS. Tappan Zee Express, CT Transit 11/I-Bus and shoreline takes MetroCard, connecting NYWY ferry, etc.

 

Unlike LIRR Uniticket, MNRR Uniticket riders have Guranteed Program, when people were forced to work late, and take train late, use voutcher on taxis in upstate ny when connecting ferry/bus from MNRR doesn't run.

 

It will be easier if LIRR, NICE Bus, HART. City of Long Beach Bus and All Island Taxi, certain taxis in Suffolk work together to provide Gurantee Home Program.

local means zone 4-7 so yes a pass exists for this as well. Good points.

It's not that simple. People move to Long Island for reasons other than transit, one of them is a safe enviornment to raise their kids.

try Rockland county. But then service inverses to great bus service but suppar rail service. With TZX being the worst route. Or you can try Suffolk county. Decent service and with NICE keep the trips as short as possible if you don't go to the city or use the subway or MTA buses you can opt for a local LIRRpass with uniticket expanding your options for LIRR Travel at a cost similar to a monthly MetroCard.

You have a point; we don't know how many of the people who currently ride the Brighton or drive would switch to an Express bus given the opportunity.

judging by how the is used not many. Plus the has improved in reliability which would make the express bus a very hard sell. You are not going to get people to give up express service on the for a bus that not only costs more at $6 PPR or $55 weekly but is slower to boot and much less frequent and can get caught in unpredictable FDR or Hugh Cary tunnel traffic. One of the reasons BM2& 1 do much better than the BM3&4.

You first.

  grow up.

Long Island? you could see the NICE buses in Queens breaking down.

I guess I am lucky.

Two men got into a fist fight on my 6:02(am) out of ENY.... Not sure what it was about, since I had my headphones on...

 

And if that wasn't enough, someone threw up on my 6:15 out of JAM today (as the train was just passing the Laurelton Pkwy below)....

 

Yeah, and to top it off, someone got carted off in handcuffs at Mineola (eastbound side; at Mineola Intermodal)...

 

On the bright side, on the train home (from Mineola), I helped a blind guy make his way to the waiting room after coming off the train, even though my Brooklyn train (4:14) was across the platform.... One of the c/r's saw I was helping the guy to the waiting room, and he actually waited for me.... I wasn't expecting that... I was ready to wait for the next train out (4:33) too.

I had trains wait for me too on the LIRR.

NICE buses transporting Nassau P.D. to cop's funeral Sat. I wonder if they'll make it without breaking down.

you can stop now

so that explains the cuts to bm service

No kidding. Their fleet is so bad. It's even worst the Triboro Coach or Green Lines during pre-MTA takeover days. Dirty in and out, weak engine, no heat, destination sign broken, back doors can't close, broken lights in and out, leaky roofs, wheelchair lifts inoperable, missing runs, longer waits, no communication between NICE management and the NICE bus drivers and NICE customers which they are not NICE, etc.

ohh well you don't have to live on long island.

Please just stop.

Pathetic then stop whining.

Only thing I can think of right this second that would put more riders on the BM4 is if it served more of ocean & less (or none) of nostrand.... Quite sure Madison residents would utilize BM4's more if it ran east-west on either Quentin, Av. R, or Av. S... Then maybe you can flirt around with talking about the 4 skipping stops... But with it on Nostrand, nah....

I see I wasn't the only one thinking of taking BM4 off Nostrand. But you really think bm4 can compete with B31to ? If moved off Nostrand? If so how?

Well, NICE knows they're losing riders, they can't fund the system, they're trying to make riders wait longer, and with even worse maintenance, there has to be other ways to losing more riders, lol.

they can simply drop lines like n80,46,47&51 and reroute n55&48 while giving N79 a short extension. Then use that as an excuse to lose the n50.

SBS in Nassau? Hempstead Turnpike and the like (rhyme intended) already only have two lanes each direction, are state roads, and are heavily used daily.  Taking one lane away would cause even worse traffic issues than these roads already see.  That post is a pipe dream at best.

who said anything about SBS in Nassau?  

When has NICE proven to be better than LIB?

 

Its even way worst now.

 To be fair it isn't veolia's fault the county severely crippled funding. 

If they were to do that it should have to have a set up of the Queens Blvd Line. N6x to Hicksville, N6 local to Hempstead. Only a speed up of the lines would get more ridership all these 1hr plus routes its not going to increase ridership. 

 

However in the course of speeding up routes you cannot just bypass the ridership like they tried to do with the N6x.

OK now I am conflicted. You are right about these 1hr plus routes though.

True.   If anything, I would keep the Q66 as is, shorten the Q101 to Queens Plaza, and shorten the Q32 to Columbus Circle.

tell that to the B35 guy he suggested Q66's truncation.

Q66 to Columbus Circle? Are they high?

 

nah they are strung out on something not meant for this world.  

Totally ignoring how long the route already is from Flushing to Columbus Circle, what would the routing even be in Manhattan?

none as more local buses in queens do not need Manhattan period. Q66 needs a truncation as does Q101.

I mean, I wouldn't do it to the the BM2, I think it would leave some pretty signifcant buses (if no buses are added). If it does good with those Cortelyou stops, then good.

 

Now, about Super Expresses.

 

I don't know about it, but what about having a BM1 Super Express, making all stops to Avenue K and Ocean, then non-stop to Manhattan. However, not all trips on the BM1 would run on the SX path (somewhere around half and half will utilize the SX path).

 

The way I decided is that if a bus runs along the path of the BM1 or is scheduled to be anywhere within 5 minutes of the BM1 along Ocean Avenue or less, that particular BM1 trip will run on the SX path.

 

 

It'll give Mill Basin and Flatlands Riders an even faster way to get to Manhattan.

 

(After Avenue K, the routing is Ocean to Avenue J, left on Avenue J, right on Ocean Pkwy (which then becomes the Prospect Expwy, and regular route).

 

(I still haven't found all the arrivals and depatures yet, but the general trend is, during the peak of the rush, most BM1 buses run on the SX path, while the others run on the regular path). 

 

So we would have a

 

BM1 Midtown Only Express

BM1 Downtown Only Express

BM1 Midtown Only Super Express

BM1 Downtown Only Super Express

BM1 All Stops

 

 

Here's how I divided the BM1's (all current trips)

 

AM Midtown (via Ocean Avenue): 6:10, 6:23, 6:35, 7:55, 8:15 

AM Midtown SX (via Ocean Pkwy): 6:50, 7:05, 7:20, 7:35

 

AM Downtown Loop (via Ocean Avenue) 6:25, 7:25, 8:00, 8:32 

AM Downtown Loop SX (via Ocean Pkwy) 6:40, 6:55, 7:10, 7:40

 

PM Midtown ALL NON STOP TO AVE K

PM Downtown Loop (via Ocean Avenue): 3:45, 4:10, 5:10, 6:50 

PM Downtown Loop SX (via Ocean Pkwy) 4:30, 4:50, 5:30, 5:50, 6:20

better Idea reroute BM2 to ocean ave via ave I take it away from that flatbush traffic. Then make all BM1 trips super express via ocean parkway. Use BM2/3/4 for ocean ave local stops. Drop BM2 midtown service extend BM5 To canarsie E 80th @glenwood rd via belt & rockaway parkways and ave M & E80th street.