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It's a nice Tuesday evening (around 7 pm) and you want to go from Kensington (Ft. Hamilton Pkwy & McDonald Ave) to Domino Park (Kent Ave & S 5 St). Your options are:

- Take the B67 to the last stop, and walk.

- Take the B110 to the last stop, and walk.

Assume both buses will come in a few minutes, so headways aren't a consideration.

Part 2:

You've enjoyed your time and want to get home now. Since it is now 12 am, your options are different. You can: 

- Take the  to the  and take that to Ft. Hamilton Pkwy.

- Walk to the and take it to Ft. Hamilton Pkwy.

How do you get home?

4 hours ago, Jova42R said:

 to  is fastest, but of your options, I think the  to the  to the  would win.

This scenario is CRAZY:

What's faster from PIERMONT, NY to FAR ROCKAWAY on a Saturday morning

Rockland 9A to  to Q44+SBS+ to Q113

Rockland 9T to  to Q52+SBS+ to Q22

Rockland 9T to  to Q35 to Q22

TOR 92 to H07 to BL-1 to  to  to Q35 to Q22

TOR 92 to H07 to MNRR to  to Q52+SBS+ to Q22

TOR 92 to H07 to MNRR to  to Q44+SBS+ to Q113

I have absolutely no clue what the first part of the journey would entail, but I wouldn't touch the last 3 options with a ten foot pole based on how many transfers they include.

Of the remaining options, the first one is simply ridiculous. Like, seriously look at where you actually go. To make the final decision, I believe the BM5 to Q52 is a better bet than the BM1 to Q35, although they might be close. So I would say the best option is the second one in the full list.

3 hours ago, Jova42R said:

Is there a reason they don't run s express to Kings Hwy, and terminate all s at Coney Island

- Skipping the local stations between Church Ave and Kings Highway would be counterproductive, as part of the target market for the  is those local stations.

- I believe Coney Island doesn't have enough terminal capacity. You could probably relay some trains south of Avenue X on the yard leads, but I think that's about all you could do in terms of increasing frequency south of Kings Hwy.

2 hours ago, Union Tpke said:

"We have dedicated buses to connect you when F subway service is disrupted on weekends. We also can help you use alternate subway lines to get to your destination. Car and pedestrian traffic will also be limited in some areas while we’re doing this work."

This sounds very similar to the intermittent closures that have already been happening during weekend suspensions of the El.

45 minutes ago, RR503 said:

This is a good question re: X. I'll ask around. 

It's quite disappointing to see that this project somehow didn't get piggybacked onto the oh, idk, 2 years of expressing and weekend shutdowns for the stations work. Costs the agency $$$ and riders time unnecessarily. 

Hopefully the interlocking mods are done in a way that facilitates service improvements, such as extending some 's to 18th Avenue (Ditmas Interlocking) as well as more flexibility for the  (Ave X Interlocking).

Looks like some R160 cars on the still have "FOREST HILLS-71" programmed for the exterior signs. I wonder if they will update them to say "FOREST HILLS-71 AV" like the cars do now.

1 hour ago, Cait Sith said:

....I can tell you've never been on the line.

Speed limits at that part of NJ is over 50mph(55 I think). Buses doing 15 below that is unsafe along a high-speed roadway and can create hazards for other motorists.

The police had every right to pull them over.

 

 

In that case, wouldn't the B83 have issues as well? Or is its stint on the Belt Parkway too short to matter?

1 hour ago, Calvin said:

Kings Hwy, today at 2:30 PM omw to a photo event. Got on the  that was a R46 and the  that was a R68A arrived at the same time as the Q making the connection. Getting on the B, the C/R on the B surprisingly asked (with humor) the Q C/R "Is this really the Q or that the R went on the wrong way?"

*Even passengers at Kings Hwy asked the Q c/r if this was the Q train? Middle signs say N but some signs are blank with K.

 

If Coney Island is serious about fixing the R46 signs, then this should be much less of a problem once they get to working on more of them.

2 minutes ago, Lex said:

Then please point to proof that the  having the lowest score is because of the swap.

I guarantee you that it doesn't exist.

Exactly. To me it looks like the  and reliability was awful even when they were >80% R160s. So unless the swap seems to correlate with significantly worse results, it isn't really anything to focus on.

14 minutes ago, Jova42R said:

I agree. Although, I'd also advocate an  service via Sea Beach Express from Coney Island to 8 Av, then via your  line to Chambers (Essex during peak), except during the peak, then the  runs local on 4th, and the  runs fully express on Sea Beach, and express on 4th.

So:

Weekends/non-rush:

 LOCAL on 4th

 express Kings Hwy to Coney Island

 EXPRESS on 4th

 local Kings Hwy to Coney Island

Weekday rush:

 LOCAL on 4th

 EXPRESS on 4th

 FULL EXPRESS on Sea Beach (peak-direction), extended to Essex.

 LOCAL on Sea Beach

Nights:

 LOCAL on 4th

No

 LOCAL on Sea Beach

Use  for  service

I would personally love for the Sea Beach express tracks to be put into service, but let's not make  riders' commutes much more miserable to accommodate an extra low-demand service.

14 minutes ago, SubwayFan3000 said:

you should read people complain below the tweet about the R46s and Astoria Residents are pissed.

If you mean the "door problem" tweet, I read all the comments and exactly zero of them contained a complaint specifically about the R46s. The average commuter simply doesn't care about the type of car; they simply want to get to their destination.

You really need to grow up and stop spamming the forum with the same nonsensical complaint. If the R46s piss you off that much, fine, nobody's forcing you to deal with them. It should be no problem for you to make the leisurely 7 minute walk to the Q102 bus, which will transport you to any of the or  lines, which all use (mostly) R160s.

19 minutes ago, Around the Horn said:

Coney Island is definitely (slowly) fixing those side signs and giving the R46s some much needed TLC.

5840's sign was busted last week, got that car today and both signs work.

That's great to hear. I saw an  to Rockaway Park last week where the first 4 cars had broken signs, and I thought, how are people supposed to know this is the Rockaway Park special if they aren't looking at the countdown clock / app, or have the schedule memorized?

Now let's hope that the signs don't break as quickly as they are fixed.

5 minutes ago, SubwayFan3000 said:

MTA should be ashamed of themselves by playing psychological/emotional warfare and game to commuters in Second Avenue/Astoria/Broadway and Sea Beach Line.

Wow, this might actually be the most stupid thing I've read all day. And that's saying a lot, considering I've been keeping up with the posts in this thread.

6 hours ago, bobtehpanda said:

Putnam and Fairview have to cross paths today, I don't see the continuation of that being a major issue.

The point was, the 4-lane solution is no better than simply integrating the busway into the existing intersection without closing any roads (as I detailed above).

6 hours ago, bobtehpanda said:

Alternatively, given that the grid has alternative roads to get to Forest, you could just make all Fairview traffic flow into Putnam and sever the connection to Forest. Traffic looking to exit Fairview onto Forest can use Madison instead, and traffic looking to enter Putnam can use Woodbine or 68th Dr. Putnam isn't continuous across Myrtle and 67th doesn't go past Fresh Pond Rd, so it's not like it would majorly disrupt through-routes.

That certainly has a benefit in its simplicity, but in this case, nothing would be gained from closing the segment of Fairview. When the Fairview traffic has the green light, they could either turn onto Putnam or continue to Forest without any issues. So if you want to simplify the intersection by closing Putnam, Fairview should be kept fully intact.

38 minutes ago, Jemorie said:

Yeah, but they stopped having those Rock Park s end at 59th in the AM Rush (and start at 59th in the PM Rush) about 8 years ago though (last time was 2012). Combined with more modern technology as time went on, including electronics, countdown clocks, and the MTA Subway Time app.

In the AM Rush, they head straight up to 207th Street and remain in service in general the rest of the day.

In general, Rockaway peninsula stations seem to have very outdated signage. Far Rockaway still has signs directing people to the Q22A.

49 minutes ago, N6 Limited said:

Aren't both Broadway lines BMT? 😋

The IRT one is the  above 42nd Street. Also, maybe it's just me, but it seems very rare that anyone refers to the between Marcy Av and Broadway Junction as a BMT Broadway Line.

19 hours ago, bobtehpanda said:

To me this actually has a fairly simple solution. 

Between Forest Av and the intersection of Putnam and Fairview, the stubs of Putnam and Fairview to Forest close. The park in between is replaced by a four lane road; the inner two lanes are busway, with bus stops on either side, and the outer lanes carry Putnam and Fairview traffic to and from Forest.

That doesn't really make it much better. Unless you have the outer lanes be opposite directions from the inner lanes, Putnam and Fairview Avenue traffic will still have to cross paths. Additionally, the bus stops would barely have space for a single 40 footer in each direction.

Looking at the area in more detail, the El widens west of the intersection to accommodate the island platform. So there's enough room for the bus stops under the Forest Avenue station, and then you can add an intersection between the busway and Forest Avenue.

The green light cycles can be as follows:

1. Forest Avenue (at Busway & Fairview) & Putnam Avenue (at Fairview)

2. Busway (at Forest & Fairview), Fairview (at Forest)

3. Fairview Avenue (at Busway & Forest), Busway (at Forest)

If the greens occurred in that order, cars wouldn't back up and block the Busway intersections.

1 hour ago, Lawrence St said:

I found that service pattern confusing. Like if the runs express and the local because of a service change, how are passengers suppose to know?

I don't really remember what was done for service changes, but it probably wasn't too different from today where sometimes trains run local or trains run express. You could still tell the and apart, because they didn't share cars. The local had R68s, the express had R40s.

Because the El goes diagonally through the street grid for a bit, the intersection at Putnam & Fairview & Forest Avenues seems like it's going to be a proper mess to create a traffic signal pattern for. The El pillars and the small park in the middle don't make it any easier, either. 

And then there's the question of where to put the actual bus stops. There isn't enough room under the El for them, and the buses are too long to stop in the footprint of that small park if it were to be removed. So the buses will most likely need to awkwardly swing around to stop at the existing B20 stop (westbound) and Q58 stop (eastbound).

3 hours ago, VIP said:

I know of two train operators who LIKE to sign up the train as a Diamond  

I personally appreciate that. It reminds me of the real  with its R40s, from way back in 2001-4.

10 hours ago, CenSin said:

New record on AM  (on my watch at least): 37 minutes from Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue to Broadway–Lafayette Street, leaving at 7:30 AM and arriving at 8:07 AM. This was achieved despite leaving the terminal late by ~1.5 minutes and holding in 2 Avenue for an extra ~10 seconds.

The  that was pulling in at Broadway–Lafayette Street at the same time has left Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue… at 7:22 AM—8 minutes before the .

That's actually pretty good. Seems like the AM trips get delayed less than the PM ones.

I rode the train from Euclid to Beach 36th and then from Far Rockaway to Nostrand; it was quite a nice time. It's awesome that they made it a proper event instead of some random unannounced run. Huge thanks as well to the Transit Museum for getting the old-style rollsign stickers made; that was a really nice touch.

It's honestly great that the 50 final R42s survived 11 years after the rest of the fleet (and all the R40s) were scrapped. This allowed many more people to have the experience of riding this style of subway car, compared to retiring the entire fleet back in 2009.

50 minutes ago, darkstar8983 said:

I’m gonna have to start using the  to Steinway Street now, followed by a 1.5 mile walk. The  took about an hour to come this evening. Damn R46s

I'm just waiting for the day when the and are entirely R46s and R68s, so that you complain about how the stranded you in Astoria or Midtown, and everyone else can have a good laugh at the idiocy.

54 minutes ago, Snorunts said:

More R32s on the  than R179s?

Yes.

The first half of today's PM rush comprised the following:

- Many R32s on the and none on the

- Many R46s on the and none on the

- Some R179s on the and the

I'll try catching it. It's cool that they're doing this instead of quietly retiring them.