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What would this accomplish except acting as a short-turn for the Q20A or 44?

It would improve reliability of the Q20 local service allowing the MTA to run more buses with the same equipment as in a frequency boost on it's essential portion while dropping the redundant archer ave segment avoiding that area people would have to use the   for connections to other buses but then you have a point as main street can get screwed south of main street.

Why not have N73 serve the colleges to add ridership?

Don't you mean COULDN'T care less?

 

On Sat. morning I saw at least 3 people waiting for the N73 on Jerusalem Ave at different stops.

OK thanks you have a point.

14 doesn't provide an even headway but in theory it would be between 4-5 minutes. Most systems would give a 5 minute headway and slide 2 extra trains in between 2 of the 5 minute gaps. You could provide a 4 minute headway with gaps that widen to 5 minutes near the end of the hour as well. 

Alright so what about 10? Is that like every 6 minutes? If so wouldn't the broadway line's issues resolve by routing the through whitehall? Due to short distance the montegue can handle 2 very frequent services that can be one 4th ave local and one 4th ave express.

Their probably going to take their time, especially since someone from NICE had said in Newsday that if they were to get the money the cut routes could be reinstated. If they went right out an took all the signs down it would show that the cuts would be permanent and the person lied. (Not to mention wasteful if they were telling the truth and reinstated the routes if they got the money)

 

What they are probably doing is waiting for like a month or two or whenever they think they are sure they won't be getting any money to reinstate them or that riders forgot what they said and most likely have found other ways of getting around, 

 

Or they could just say heck with it and just leave them up. Suffolk left a route sign up even though a route didn't serve it, not sure if it was an approved route change by the county also don't know if the sign is still up since they renovated the ambulance station the sign was on. Also Suffolk put up a bus sign a few years ago for a route that doesn't serve the stop, though again it goes towards that route change mentioned earlier. So it goes to show that route signs aren't seen as important. 

Good point ok.

I still see the signs for the n8 and n2 up in Elmont/N.Valley Stream even though the route was eliminated.

Laziness and the fact that nassau could care less.

You know it's 30 trains per hour like any other line in theory, dude. You been knew that from the get-go. But you can't run any more than a train every 2 minutes (30 trains per hour). I mean while a train every 2 minutes (30 trains per hour) is possible on paper, there would, without a doubt, be delays since trains are very close to each other. It also depends on how crowded the station is and how much time the train spends in the station, delaying another train immediately right behind the first train. Even when there's no flagging at all, a train every 2 minutes is prone to bunching and delays. As said in another thread, the can't possibly control the exact timing of trains here and there.

how frequent is 14 trains per hour?

will there be enough to eliminate the R32s from the ?

The n51 served other areas besides the Roosevelt Field-NCC corridor. Now the only alternative for certain parts of East Meadow, Merrick & North Merrick involves walking an extra distance and then backtracking to the n43.

I saw many empty N51 buses at NCC.

I get his intentions, but I wouldn't go that far.  Maybe a "hey, this-and-that is blocked" or "there was an accident up ahead." I'd call a police officer or something to actually direct traffic.

You raise a very good point.

How many trains per hour can run on the Montague street tunnel?

But it's going to happen eventually anyway. Even if you were to have the merge with the and north of 57th Street. Astoria needs two services so and express switching to the local is inevitable.

Or just power up the one remaining service to have frequencies = to the combined line.

I wouldn't get arrested because my NYPD friend gave me "Get out of Jail Pass."

that and NICE is out of the NYPD's jurisdiction anyway and the nassau PD could care less. So yeah there is that. Next.

After elimination of n80/81 and n19 Suffolk County Segment, Sunrise Mall seems to be loosing business.

Why you always lying why you is lying? If you want to be taken seriously have the decency to not lie. So a bus with 4 people gets cut and business drops you know your wrong have some integrity.

The snow screwed up all routes. On the N6 either all buses were headed to Jamaica, or all buses were headed to Hempstead. The split probably made the N20H on time. If the route wasn't split they'd have been waiting in Hicksville for like an an hour.

What did the planners say when you all said it wouldn't work?

It's been losing business since Walmart left.

Truth the split was due to extreme unreliability of the N20 and the split means people have an incentive to use the train.

Apparently I'm talking to a wall.

 

Read my comment again is all I'm going to say. 

He isn't able to save your breath.

Molloy college should be considerate i mean the n17 is dead now by law mercy hospital people should walk through the campus. ..i mean have them make a HUGE loop is absurd and possibly dangerou. .is llike your heading to MetLife stadium and the NJT 164 won't stop at the entrance because it upholds traffic and one must disembark next stop (holiday inn hotel) which is almost 1km away

Ain't so serious N17 had almost nobody deal with it. They could have a shuttle to the N16 or HTC but that's it. IBM does something similar in westchester with a shuttle for their workers every need can't be solved with NICE. In some cases others have to step up. Very few were impacted by those cuts as severe as they were but NICE didn't send them to useful places resulting in having to drop em.

It's not that they can't. It's that they don't really want to because it's not an integral part of the county anymore as more people move to alternative modes of transportation and less people take the bus. Now, less than than 7% of Nassau's population takes the bus, and that's IF all the riders live in Nassau which isn't necessarily true. Suffolk has a much different setup in terms of a bus system and the people it serves than Nassau does. But like what's been mentioned here before, should Nassau drop the system eventually, there is always the MTA to come in and run some inter Queens-Nassau routes. That's the extreme idea really. Whatever was just cut wasn't real necessary anyway. I hear PinePowerLI takes the n20 for his joyrides now to some chinese place in Greenvale. By the way, the n20 split is a mess already. I wonder who called that happening?

Almost all new route changes start off as a mess as people get used to the changes  with the nightmare traffic in queens people chancing it with  the N20G were bound to miss connections and the LIRR service is not frequent enough to act like a viable alternative outside off-peak hours when the N20G is on-time(sort of).

You have to pick your poison unreliable service east of great neck with huge gaps in service due to hold ups in queens where wait times can sometimes exceed an hour or drop the queens nightmare altogether improve consistency and reliability of east of great neck service but now people who choose to fight traffic with N20G risk missing their connection which means waiting for another 30 minutes.

The riders east of great neck benefit from consistent 30 minute service actually improved but at the expense of riders in queens travelling to points east of great neck. Do nothing and ridership east plummets or improve reliability but then force riders in queens to use LIRR when traffic is very bad  to have a shot at making their connections either way people lose and win. NICE decided to take a chance on the eastern portion of the route.

NYS PL 190.25

 

A person is guilty of criminal impersonation in the second degree when

he:

3. Pretends to be a public servant, or wears or displays without

authority any uniform, badge, insignia or facsimile thereof by which

such public servant is lawfully distinguished, or falsely expresses by

his words or actions that he is a public servant or is acting with

approval or authority of a public agency or department; and so acts

with intent to induce another to submit to such pretended official

authority, to solicit funds or to otherwise cause another to act in

reliance upon that pretense.

 

Saying this as someone whos been through the bs police and court system in Nassau (I thought the city was bad) you should probably just stop pretending you're someone you're not and get a job already.

to be fair to yuki  others do the same thing in other parts of the country I have seen people do this in NJ with NJT to help customers when NJT really screws the pooch. Yuki is not the first nor the last there are many like him just not on these boards being annoying.

So how are those service cuts? I can see service one day being cut so much that there won't really be a transit system in Nassau besides the Queens to Nassau routes and some routes within Nassau like the N15, N27 and a few others

The silver lining is that very few relied on those routes.

More often than not, I see the and screw over the . The Because 34 Street–Herald Square is usually my stop and I go no further, sometimes I’m strolling down the platform and I notice that the I missed at Canal Street has caught up and it gets to leave before the . Common sense is sorely needed. The MTA meet its obligation to skip 4 stops as it advertises, but neglects to make best use of the saved time for the customers.

Hence why the express should stay on it's own track and shouldn't interface which lines have similar problems?

You do realize the subway can't run share tracks with Metro North or LIRR. The FRA would have a fit

I know which is why subway trains WILL NOT run on the X train ROW only LIRR(south) and MNRR(north) trains with combined frequencies reaching 6TPH or more. Some LIRR Or MNRR or both will link sunnyside to middle village from there LIRR diesels or others would go to bay ridge. The sunnyside to bronx will be MNRR. No subway trains will use that ROW. Only subway there would be subway fare.

Question: What are the worst bottlenecks on the train that make it so unreliable?

Are you saying you disagree with posts made here like the one by BM5 talking about the change of demographics for example in the areas served by the n73/74 that contributed to the decrease in bus ridership over the years and eventually to the route's downfall?

 

N40/41 together, and more profitable as well. It was that way under Long Island Bus too.

 

Correct. As long as NICE is around, the N40/41 aren't going anywhere. Obviously my comments here were misunderstood by some people.

 

NICE may need more money to make the n40/41 24/7 or just one of the routes 24/7, but they could always move around resources again or decrease service on other routes, who knows...

I noticed that the routes that got eliminated all required at least 2 transfers to get to the nearest major points of interest. N50, 73/74 required 2 transfers to get to the popular nassau hub area which means a very slow ride with transfer time added in. People in those areas do not have the patience to make multiple transfers to reach points of interest. Accessibility to crossways and other employment centers require round-about transfers in hicksville to a bus that is hourly!!! The routes failed and did not adapt nor went directly to any employment centers or reroute or change to meet changing travel patterns. They were nothing more than failed LIRR shuttles utterly useless. In fact the bases they served were so small they couldn't exist and had no business existing as standalone routes for so long after NICE took over.

Wow now i get it. ..but i thoughtt tthat MTA recauds lots of money as the. $2.75 fare ($1.35 if you ride two buses or connect between a bus or subway or vice versa) not to mention the millions of people who use MTA in the city. ..is by far the most richest transportation agency in north America (Mexico city doesn't count as it only handles its subway system and some feeder routes to the Metro as the city is filled with privately owned bus lines with no affiliation to the city funded subway) and lots of people fill the congested bus routes and subways (ex. Bx12, B46, M15 or the )

 

Now as NICE is solo the state won't cover much as NICE receives by fare payments about 20% and the state funds the majority (80%) ...SCT is much worst guess about 10% of its money is receive by fare payments and a vast majority by the state (90%)

 

Counting a $2.50 fare from Orient Point all the way to Montauk (by way of the s92 and 10c) and a distance travelled. (Approx. 140 km or 87 miles) is considered the most cheapest bus ride in the United states (a typical metro north. Ride from grand central to Waterbury, CT. Is $14 dollars (these points are the same apart as Orient Point is to Montauk (via Riverhead) ...another comparison is a ride from Hauppauge East Hampton with a distance of 120 km and a fare of $2.50 (s62 then s92. the two most longest bus routes in Suffolk county and the northeast USA) is a true bargain compare to $20 from Penn Station to Riverhead which dist apart 123 km or 77 mi. (The same distance travelled on the s62 and s92)

 

I'd to compared the SCT bus routes because as you can see SCT buses run a super long distance and are super quick (5x faster than the MTA buses and 3x faster than neighbouring NICE) but receive very few passengers still the bus agency is alive thanks to the state's majority funds. ..so in conclusion a s40 extension to amityville or a s66 last trip at 750pm is decided by the state not SCT sadly thats the main reason why SCTbuses are the last to see cchanges then again its top superiors have done its best (s66 extension to Riverhead, last s58 to east Northport at 645pm or a last s92 from Orient Point at 640pm arriving Riverhead at 8:00pm)

 

To conclusion reviving the eliminated routes or truncation is a mere impossibility sadly. ..well all to just adapt

P.S: SCT just recently added Sunday service. ..something not seen from a metropolitan bus agency

Look LI residents aren't going to care about a cheap bus ride. Using SCT everyday is actually more expensive than the monthly metrocard. Plus the SCT service expansions were to keep up with increasing demand and improve connectivity. Plus LIRR service in suffolk county is garbage which helps explain the high ridership on the S40 combined with areas not near LIRR served by the S40 as well. Part of the transportation problems in suffolk is actually MTA's fault for arrogance and sub-par service outside the ronkonkoma line. Commuter rail in this country is a huge disaster.

If you want to get butthurt over that comment and interpret it as "looking down" on people, that's your problem, not mine.

 

In any case, if you don't want to trust NICE's numbers, that's fine. I've posted about discrepancies in the MTA's numbers as well. But at the same time, we don't really have much else in terms of official numbers.

 

 

That has nothing to do with demographics. The neighborhoods where the service was cut are still essentially the same demographically as they were before the cuts. Most of them were middle class and upper-middle class white neighborhoods (with a few exceptions of course), which is in contrast to the poor and working-class minority neighborhoods along the n40/41.

 

If you have middle-class white people who used to take the bus, and now they're driving or taking a taxi, they're still middle-class white people. Nothing changed about them demographically. The same way the n20 gets almost no ridership from the portion through Brookville (aside from the college students), because it's a wealthy, low-density area (and it's always been that way, regardless of whether NICE or LIB ran service through there)

 

Getting rid of a major route like the n40/41 may force a good chunk of those people to drive or take a taxi (or move out of the area altogether), but you're still going to have a large portion of the population who has no other choice. Maybe they'll walk a few miles to their destination. Maybe they'll stay at home and collect unemployment. Obviously, that's going on in certain parts of Eastern Nassau, but it would happen on too large a scale in this area.

 

Also remember that Title VI prohibits them from making service reductions that would disproportionately impact low-income or minority communities, which are both present in that corridor, especially relative to Nassau County overall. 

 

 

The county barely contributes to the service as-is. Let's not forget that the CEO of NICE has a direct interest in making sure the system receives more funding. If not NICE, then the MTA still has a direct interest in making sure the system is properly funded. The operating assistance might be reduced, but I would be willing to bet a solid amount of money that it's not going to be eliminated completely.

No amount of crack would make NICE even consider dropping the N40/41 pigs will fly before a very efficient route like that goes bye bye. It even makes a slight profit.

Never knew the n40 was busier than famous n22/24

Pay attention there is a reason why NICE added service to the N40/41 and N43 under MTA N43 was much worse.

So from Atlantic Ave-Barclays the would run on it's own trackage to Empire Blvd and on to Winthrop St and Flatbush Avenue? You do realize the and lines also run along the same corridor from Atlantic to Parkside Avenue? Where would this have room to operate and construct stations? Wouldn't the line have to run below the Brighton Line from Atlantic Avenue to Empire Blvd because of the existing trackage and the 7th Avenue , stop? What about the Prospect Park , , station that's located at Empire and Flatbush? I think your proposal is somewhat problematic without further details. Carry on.

It is a huge waste of money just like some rail stations that duplicate the subway in south bronx and non transfer points in western queens.

Yes i know. I tried to be confident and use my proper communication. Thr proposals i did on my edition of nyc subway map, are coming from my dream. Well, today im still editing it, i added enginerrboy6561's proposal idea, the (X) train that takes almost to anywhere starting from The Bronx. Also i am about to draw the line too, not the since it didnt stop at 2 Av, move the to the second avenue line. Probably when the NYC got enough budget, the MTA workers will revive the .

Therefore, let the second avenue line construction worker dig to connect the track to the 2 Av station.

In order for this X train to have a chance it must be a rail line with frequent service and get's around the subway limitation. Best way to do that is revive it and add the East bronx stations and then the brooklyn stations then as for trains the trains on the line will run as additional New haven and LIRR trains. The lower part sunnyside to bay ridge via middle village will be LIRR trains from different branches with combined 10 minute frequencies or 8 min 6 TPH or more. Then the northern part the hell's gate line will have Metro-north trains to penn or LIC again and with new M9 abilities to run under and over maybe LIRR but that may not be needed. The new havens will have 6 TPH those going to the bronx transfer at sunnyside. 

Here is the easy to understand way:

X line (north) sunnyside to new rochelle and beyond will have metro-north trains.

And X line (south) as in middle village Or sunnyside to bay ridge(via lower montauk to X line) will have LIRR trains serving the corridor transfers will be timed at middle village or sunnyside for those going from brooklyn/queens to the bronx.

Also the stations will have fare gates like the subway so ticket collection will begin when LIRR trains reach sunnyside or jamacia en route to LI. For metro-north after co-op city en route to Connecticut.

Your is simply already on the MTA's books as the .

Yes, artics are an option because the buses would be busy. But there would also probably be a higher frequency during rush hours if the Q12 did it as opposed to how the n20 is run now.

 

If you think Northeast Queens and Northwest Nassau is going to approve an SBS bus lane or any type of service like that, I think you're crazy. Artics are a good idea, LTD stop service is a good idea, but there's no need to go as far as SBS. If you want SBS like service, take the LIRR Port Washington line to be honest. This concept of a Q12 to Great Neck hasn't been proven yet, it's still just an idea.

SBS lanes don't have to cover the whole route. And I would love for the LIRR Port washington line to have frequent subway like service but fares between queens and nassau would have to drop to levels seen on the metro-north from bronx. And if capacity at penn is lacking then have the extra trains go to LIC hunters point and eventually GCT. And for peak skip stop service similar to the to allow more frequent service. 

I would do a Q12X actually, between Flushing-Main Street and Great Neck, making all stops after Bell Blvd (essentially, no stops between Bell Blvd and the . This service would operate all day on weekdays. There would also be a Q12 LTD, making all stops from the City Line to Bell, then limited stops to Flushing (which can be debated), while the local would just be the Sanford Avenue short-turns. During the weekends, there would be a Q12 LTD to Great Neck (while the Q12 Local remains being the Sanford Avenue short-turns). There could be a different number for the Q12 LTD/X, like Q14 or something, since the Q12 Local would drastically change (and then the Q12 Local would operate to the City Line during overnight hours). All NICE would have to do is pay up the additional expenses per year for the increased service.

Huh that may actually work out well.

If with the MTA, why would the MTA eliminate many of those routes. ..i mean the MTA has a lot of money. ..i get that the reductions suffered by NICE is because they're running solo w/o support of a more bigger authority. ..but why is it that with MTA is more worst. ..that im surprised

 

Take for example the s42 (S.I.) it is one of the lowest rided bus routes of the MTA still it is alive because it has support from other bus routes covering Staten island

Dude stop defending weak routes. Those SE nassau routes had short run-times and carried air if they pulled an MTA and had other Q36 like routes in nassau cover those routes in eastern nassau even partially ridership in those areas served by N73/74 & 80/81 would have been higher. S42 is a dead horse and needs to be a part of other lines already but it helps that it is very short that is the only thing keeping S42 alive. There was no support for those routes NICE dropped.

Nothing, it gets screwed because Nassau County is run by corrupt idiots.

 

I'd like to see a trial run of a Q12 LTD to Great Neck, and how it performs on several scales (reliability, scheduling, ridership, etc). A lot of people put down the idea, but if you think about it, a lot of the MTA's crazy plans have worked out in the past. Look at the new Q36 route. While yes that's all within Queens, but it's a good example because, due to that extension, ridership along Little Neck Pkwy increased. I'm not saying the MTA has to come in to run the entire Nassau bus system. But if it took over or merged with some of the Nassau-Queens routes, it may work out, and then we can scrap every other route since most people in the county don't want them anyway.

Interesting thing is NICE would gain alot by dropping flushing(sort of) only if done right. I am curious what other crazy plans worked out? I think Q36 little neck worked out since it had more transfer opportunities than the old Q79 Q27 ect and LIRR and N6. You think N1 can handle going to flushing via clearview  and northern by sacrificing jamacia and giving N6 and N6x artics.

But the Q12 alone can't handle the long lines at Great Neck, the people transferring from the n20H/n21, and regular riders in Queens. The route would get pretty packed before it even reaches Flushing.

LTD stop SBS service with artics probably can. Plus those transferring some may take the LIRR instead as well as Q12 SBS if that came into being.