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Why do commuter rail service run on opposite tracks like they do in England sometimes?

I am asking why do trains do reverse operation

On 3/30/2020 at 4:36 PM, Union Tpke said:

 

Lets just hope the other sets can go though the fate of the R143 which will take 10 years of extensive rebuild and hopefully, Bombardier can rebuild them despite the R179 conflict.

14 hours ago, Daniel The Cool said:

There was also signal problems at Chambers Street on the Lines which lasted through the Rush Hour. There's always seems to be issues there and Canal Street at least 1-2 times every week. 

 8 Av is super busy so it makes sense to why there is frequent delays 

On 7/6/2019 at 7:40 PM, CenSin said:

MTA sensibilities: 3 trains pass through DeKalb Avenue, but only 1 . At 36 Street, supervision sends that last ahead of the . Now we’re waiting to enter Bay 50 Street because there are 3 trains up ahead. And there’s also another behind us.

It doesn’t matter for inbound trains, but I can see this causing a shortage of trains at Coney Island. They will have no trains to send out as the trains clog up the tracks to the terminal.

What is your theory as to why there was a shortage of ?

Why did the MTA decide to make the weekend  terminate at 96 St with the  when it can run its weekday extension to 71 Av with the ?

Since there is no weekend  to 71 Av, and the  is running express during the day, I am pretty sure the  needs weekend help. 

What are your thoughts on this? 

49 minutes ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

It can’t be. There are no more than two red bullets at each of the 7th Avenue line stops (presumably the  and ) and Borough Hall has only one yellow bullet (presumably the ). Maybe it’s a typo and they meant 2012, which would make sense given the absence of the  and  at Borough Hall and the complete absence of the , ,  and . 

The  line strip map never had the local stops (though the trains announced them, even while still referring to themselves as express, go figure). Even the current  strip map doesn’t have the local stops, though I think that’s probably due to lack of space and amber lights.

Come to think of it, I wonder if there even was a 2002 R142  line map. I rode the  nearly every day that year. Whenever I didn’t get a Redbird train, I noticed that maps always showed only the  and  at Times Square (no  or ), only the  at 14th (no ) and the  and  at Atlantic (again no  or ). And the announcements matched up with the incorrect transfers.

I was very young around 2002 so I wouldn't remember very good. The MTA probably didn't update the 2000 strip maps since the service in 2002 was temporary or maybe you didn't catch the newer sets (2002-2003) in service at the time. The original 1999-2000 sets had the 6 Av and  only. Maybe the newer sets coming in 2002-2003 had the updated Broadway service. The R142 order for the  finished by June 2003. 

Also not to get off topic slightly but when the  ran fully local after 9/11 and duration of 2002, was the service efficient and what was the rolling stock? 

3 hours ago, Caelestor said:

No one advocates a  along West End; the preference is for trains to be extended to Bay Ridge.

Seeing as the conversation has shifted over to capacity on the B Division. I'm just going to say that the most realistic steps the MTA can take is to deinterline all express trains and local trains along the 4 track trunks in Manhattan. In practice this means

• Send the  to 96 St and allow for more trains to run to Whitehall St / Bay Ridge
• Run the  express to add more capacity through Cranberry and allow for a future  local train to Queens

With just these two changes, B Division can be broken up into "sectors" that can further increase reliability without any additional construction:

• Manhattan Bridge sector:  Concourse / CPW local / 6 Ave express +  SAS / Broadway express feeding into Brighton, West End, and Sea Beach. Further deinterlining can't be implemented because neither DeKalb nor Atlantic Ave have cross-platform transfers. Each service can run on today's 6 minute headways or possibly 5 minutes, 4 minutes after CBTC is installed.
• Cranberry tunnel sector:  8 Ave express / Fulton. With no upgrades, 24 tph with a 2:1 express:local split in Brooklyn should be doable.
• Queens sector:  Astoria - QBL local / Broadway local / Bay Ridge +  QBL express / 8 ave local +   QBL / 6 Ave local +  Nassau St / Jamaica +  Crosstown / Culver. Every service here should be running on 4/8 minute headways so that they sync up. More aggressive deinterlining can further split this into Astoria + QBL sectors.

Increasing frequency across all lines should be prioritized over local service reductions on outer branches.

1. Why should we operate the  to 96 St to accommodate Brooklyn ?

2. There is no point in running a empty  express. What about the riders along 8 Av from Canal St to 50 St? The  can't do it alone.

3. is never going to operate in Queens. It has never went past WTC when it existed.

On 5/31/2019 at 7:06 PM, LordAMoore said:

I recently brought one of the Line 2 strip maps and I was wondering if there was any info as to when it stopped being used/was updated, what colour the lights were as I'd love to get it lot again and also if the lights would turn on and stay on, on but turn off when you get to the stop, or weather the light just changed position depending on the stop.

The date on the back is from 2002

https://imgur.com/a/pPdkgqQ

Thanks

 

Just a correction, throughout 2002 until September, the  ran local with the . So where is the local stops? I think you have a custom made strip map

2 hours ago, Around the Horn said:

1. That was in the last months of it's operation. At all other times in it's history, it terminated at Chambers Street. We've proposed Essex Street as the last stop in this thread numerous times and Councilman Brannon was open to that idea when they first sent the letter asking for a split.

2. That was 1987. Lower Manhattan along the has seen tremendous growth in the last few years (and there's more in the pipeline). Current service levels is not enough.

(Also the gets A LOT of Lower Manhattan ridership during peak periods and would continue to do so along Nassau Street).

1. I had no idea that you been talking about this subject, my bad. 

2. We should consider eliminating the  or continue the Skip-Stop past Essex St into Court St. If we going to complain (not literally) about the  running solo on 4 Av, then we will have to run the  local from Dekalb Av to 59 St, and I don't think Sea Beach riders want to deal with that after a long decade of freedom (having express service) from complete local  service during the 90s.

1 hour ago, RR503 said:

1. 1987 =/= today, and ridership dynamics on a rush hour only service and on an all day service are wildly different — one can be relied on whereas the other cannot. Also, a general note: can we stop suggesting running trains to 9th Avenue? It’s a convenient terminal, sure, but if you’re gonna suffer the merge at 36 you may as well run further down West End (or better yet, just don’t merge at 36...)

2.  share stock, yes, but that’s...quite changeable. As long as some sort of CI access is avail, you’re good. 

3. Ah yes, don’t worry about the 18tph service that the  shares tracks with — some A+ transit planning we’ve got here. Even if we were to take your suggestion, you do see how the “don’t worry about the  it’s garbage — we can increase ” sentiment and the “ is garbage” sentiment are self-fulfilling, right?

1. I still wouldn't waste my money on a service that will get minimal ridership. Remember the  final days on West End 2008-2010? It ran empty. Riders on Chinatown preferred the one way  instead.

2. Besides the shared R160/R68, what other rolling stock can the  utilize? This ain't 2006 where we had large amount of R40s, 42, and 32s.

3. I was saying frequent  service should not stop the Brooklyn  service. After all  are both essential services in the IND. I was not implying that we should reduce  service. In fact the  is my favorite B division line. 

38 minutes ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

This has long been my preference for additional service on the 4th Ave Line, especially if they decide to restructure  local service. Though I prefer the Nassau-4th Ave local train to be a separate service from the . It could be called the R, but in a brown circle instead of the current yellow. I also favor extending the , perhaps as the new primary 4th Ave local train. 

Agreed that a hypothetical West End express train should follow the present West End local train onto the 4th Ave express tracks (i.e.,  West End local/  West End express). But in the case of the , they’d have to merge with the  at 36th, the  after DeKalb, and finally the  at Columbus Circle. The  merge is probably the one that would limit the implementation of a  service, given how frequently the  runs.

1. We don't need a Brown  because it would operate like the . The Brown  used to run from Metropolitan Av-Bay Ridge during Rush Hours using East New York equipment. So technically it is the . Also it was discontinued because it was empty when it operated. If anything, extend the  to 9 Av during Rush Hours because it has more ridership and the line is longer.

2.  can't operate in Brooklyn as weekday service. It is leeching off the extra rolling stock from . 

3.  can work. It just means more  service from 36 St on to The Bronx. Don't worry about the . It gets held up by the  and passengers delaying it during Rush Hours.

9 hours ago, VIP said:

R160 8787-8783 were savagely vandalized by acid markers; Coney Island crew sanded the whole side body of each car. This set looks worse than R160’s 9848-9850, 9117-9113, and 9343-9347. 🙀🙀🙀

Can't the repair workers clean up the the vandalism? 

1. When the Manhattan Bridge was being reconstructed throughout the entire 1990s, why did the South Side take a longer time than the North Side? I noticed that the North Side always took 2 1/2 years tops to complete when it was closed, but the South Side took 12 years. What was the reason for longer repairs on the south side?

When will the MTA remove the last of the classic 1920s signals on the IRT Flushing?

On 2/18/2018 at 9:13 PM, VIP said:

The  has always been a priority over the  in terms of equipment because the  was and still is a busier line. And R46’s popping up on the  these days are highly unlikely. Jamaica has more than enough R160’s to make  service. 

I disagree. The  is busier than the  since the  runs 45 stops while the  runs 22. I don't know where you get this info from with the  being the higher priority. I don't think the  have that much equipment since it makes a small amount of stops. If anything the surplus cars from Jamaica goes to the . Service is much more frequent on the  during the rush hour from my notice. 

21 hours ago, trainfan22 said:

I seen an interesting operation on the  today, my train went on a skip from E180th - Pelham Parkway - Dyre, the interesting part was, the C/R told the passengers that wanted the skipped stops to take an shuttle  train across the platform, which would make all stops. There was an R142 sitting there signed up as the  shuttle. This was in the afternoon, I never seen anything done like that before.

 

 

That is weird

4 hours ago, CenSin said:

Saw the countdown clocks at Brighton Beach after getting off the and seeing a Coney Island-bound approaching Ocean Parkway. The next was 10 minutes away and the following one was 13 minutes away. After jogging to Coney Island from Brighton Beach, I got my daily exercise and still came out ahead. The next was nowhere to be seen. That train I got off of, however, was on its way to the Coney Island yard. I passed under it at Stillwell and Neptune Avenues.

And that’s also my middle finger to the service pattern.

Okay?

1. Why did it take 13 years 1988-2001 (Not Sept 30, 1990 reopening included) for the NYCDOT to repair the south side   of the Manhattan Bridge when north side    took 2-3 years in each time period 1986-1988 & 2001-2004? Because according to wiki, they say the  tracks were used the heaviest. If that was the case, why did it take years to get work done on the south side? It seems to me that before 1988, Broadway was more heavily used with 

2. What was it like riding along Broadway with no express service in years between 1988-2001 with just the  ?

3. When the final north side closure of Manhattan Bridge occurred in 2001, with the  replacing the  on Brighton, did it make sense to use the ? When  got cut back from Coney Island in Sept 2002, it ran exactly like  but just local in Brooklyn.