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3 hours ago, R68ACTrain said:

It can be a thing where the wknd scheduling can be correlated with and  scheduling, and besides, the way I have it is to have the  run every 20 minutes. Said route doesn't need to be frequent, and it's purpose is to help  and  services. Running from Bedford Park Blvd to 2 Avenue.

I think running it down Brighton wouldn't hurt though and I'm sure Brighton passengers would like the extra service on the weekends seeing as to how packed the  trains are and considering that the  is the closest express service to CI. (It's about.. 10-13 stops on the train until it goes Express.)

2 hours ago, R68ACTrain said:

The  is not needed in Brooklyn on weekends, I'd rather reroute it to 2nd Avenue

I think Brighton Beach is still a better last stop. 2nd Avenue requires the  to cut between the and tracks at Broadway and 2nd Avenue. I don't think any Brighton passenger would complain about the express service being there on the weekends though since the  still has a decent crowd from Coney Island. 

49 minutes ago, Vulturious said:

At this point, I wouldn't mind trying this out for like a week or two and construct a concensus to see what people think. If people don't mind it, cool run this service for the next month or two and see if anyone still doesn't mind. If people complain, that's fine, just go back to running the .

Agreed. I’m against the whole idea but I just want to know if Dyre Ave demands Lexington Service 

I know we've run the deinterlining arguments into the ground, but for 149 St - Grand Concourse, if we were to deinterline the and the to the point where the is eliminated and the  replaces the  would it end up making service better as a whole or worse or just have no change in how service is run. As in, do you think it's worth it to deinterline in the Bronx. 

2 minutes ago, Future ENY OP said:

Gateway Mall is via the B13 & Q8...

Last sentence: B6 at New Lots train station goes into South Brooklyn..

I mixed up Gateway and Kings Plaza* 

You're right I lapsed about the B6. 

On 12/8/2022 at 2:05 PM, Future ENY OP said:

I finally got a chance to study this Brooklyn re-design plan and something strikes me with this B10/B12 plan. First off why the split? The B12 does very well and doesn't need a split in my own opinion. Although, direct Empire Blvd bus service is being addressed. However, it shouldn't be on the B12's expense. This B10 should run to City line- Grant/Sheridan. and give Liberty Avenue back it's rightful bus service. There should be no reason that portion of East New York/Cypress Hills doesn't have bus service and that needs addressing. The Q24 is simply not enough.

When I went to school in that area it was always a hastle trying to get to Broadway Junction when the  and people were piling on the  was down (specifically when the train started smoking (I don't know the mechanic stuff) and everyone was getting on the Q24 or the , but it's harder to get to Southern Brooklyn. The old B12 service would've served the area nicely but that was cut out during the 2010 budget cuts. If you wanted to get to... Gateway Mall or Coney Island or even the Bay Ridge area you'd have to take the   into Manhattan for the , the to the  at Jay St or get out at Hoyt/Fulton and walk to DeKalb or Atlantic Avenue. The issue is partically solved because a Q8 can just take you to the train at New Lots Ave but there's no direct routes to South Brooklyn that I know of. This would solve that. 

4 minutes ago, Q43LTD said:

Anyone feel the B71 should have been reinstated? 

There was an interesting B71+ route proposed that i'd think would be fine, maybe if it went deeper into Manhattan and ended at Broadway Junction via Eastern Parkway 

What's stopping them from letting the B82+ from running to Gateway, the B6 Local running to New Lots Ave, and just having the B6-LTD run to Gateway as well. I like the addition of the B5 (in fact i love it considering there wasn't really a way to get from Canarsie-Rockaway Pkwy to Gateway Mall without frustration and 2 routes (B82 to the B83 being the simpler route. )) You'd figure there's a lot of overlap between the 4 buses that you can consolidate connections somewhere. 

Wish they'd do something with the B39. We need better interborough travel, perhaps extending it to Lorimer St  Brooklyn Side and either the East End of Houston St or a LES loop from Bridge --> Essex -> Houston or 14th St--> Columbia and/or Avenue D --> Grand --> Essex --> Bridge. 

On 7/20/2022 at 10:40 PM, MTA Researcher said:

Thank you for pointing that out. You didn’t offend me, instead you gave me insight   You see,  this was an idea I had in the mind for a long time, but I wondered how possible it could be.

 

Think of these proposals as experimental. I really enjoy your criticism. You teach me things I don’t see clearly. With that being said I want to show you an idea. Let’s keep discussing more.

 

 207 - Far Rockaway: CPW/8 Av/Fulton St Exp

 JC - Lefferts: QBL/8 Av/Fulton St Exp via 53rd St

[M] 168 - Metropolitan Av: CPW/8 Av Lcl vía W4 switch and Williamsburg

 

 205 - CI: Concourse Exp (Weekdays) CPW/6 Av Exp via Brighton Lcl

179 - CI: QBL Exp via 53rd St - 6 Av/4 Av Lcl vía W4 switch/Chambers St/Montague St Tunnel and West End

 71 Av - Brighton Beach: QBL Lcl via 63rd St - 6 Av/Brighton Exp

 

(I) 125  - Euclid Av: via Crosstown SAS - 2 Av Lcl via Montague St and Fulton St Lcl

 Dyre Av - CI: vía Bronx Lcl - 2 Av Exp vía Rutgers St and Culver Lcl/Exp

 

 Astoria or LGA- CI: Astoria Lcl via 60 st - Bway/4 Av Exp vía Sea Beach 

 71 Av - Bay Ridge: QBL Lcl vía 60 St - Bway/4 Av Exp (Lcl south 36 via va shook switch idea)

 BPB/145 - City Hall: Concourse/CPW/Bway Lcl 

 is fine as is

 is fine as is

 replaces  

 is fine as is

 

Awaiting for your analysis and rating of this idea

I think what I'm confused about is the purpose of these suggestions. Usually when people want to switch one route with another it's supposed to have an advantage for it. I doubt 8th Av needs 2 express services over 2 locals, and when you have the 1 local service locked in at 12 TPH also merging with the . I feel like service changes should have a good reason why. 

On 7/7/2022 at 9:35 PM, GojiMet86 said:

What's so irrelevant about this college? Besides, do you guys even take a look at all the bills? I doubt you or anyone here takes the time to see what bills are being proposed. There dozens of them a day. A bill like this is actually pretty routine.

I just don't see how a College functions as a better name for a subway station. 149 St - Grand Concourse makes sense because the station is on.. 149 St and Grand Concourse. Hostos isn't a landmark, doesn't tell you where you are and it's not really an attraction or popular destination. It's not like City College or Columbia both of which are big campus' that are known in NYC. Hostos, in my opinion, isn't a college that warrants renaming a station after it. If it is, then where does the renaming/adding on names end? Chambers St - BMCC? DeKalb Av - LIU? Van Cortlandt Park - Manhattan College?  

On 6/25/2022 at 1:49 AM, randomnewyorker23 said:

Honestly I'm glad the is going to Fordham Plaza even though it is wild but it should work. In general, this is WAY better than the original plan (with al the QT's & QMT's)

On 6/25/2022 at 7:30 AM, Gotham Bus Co. said:

Hold on there. The plan is just a draft for now. It can and probably will change before it becomes final, and some elements (like Q44 to Fordham Plaza) could end up being "sacrificed" to in favor of more pressing needs.

I really hope they don't change the Q44 to Fordham Plaza. It surprising how many buses the Q44 missed because it only went to Bronx Zoo. Sending it to Fordham Plaza connects the Q44 to the Bx12 and Metro North which alone are two great pluses. 

On 6/3/2022 at 11:24 AM, IAlam said:

I've really never really been on the M14A along Avenue A and thought to myself "wow this bus is really crowded we need more service." That being said yes it is annoying that you often have to wait for multiple M14D's before an M14A comes along. But the way I see it is that it should be treated as different routes. Peoples opinions on how long they way change between 2 separate routes on the same path vs 2 branches of the same line. In the end they're both separate routes, but from my experience people typically treat 2 branches of the same route as one route and it makes people more impatient. 

On 6/3/2022 at 11:36 AM, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

I just took a look at the M14 schedule out of curiosity. They must cut some trips unofficially because there is no way that anyone should be waiting 40 minutes for that bus during the day, which I once experienced. The amount of M14D trips can be two or three for every one, but the M14A is still scheduled to run most of the day every ten minutes or less. I've experienced something similar with the M34 where there was no bus (the M34 runs poorly compared to the M34A) and I just decided to walk since I was only walking a handful of blocks. 

As someone who takes the M14 regularly, I don't think there's ever been a time where I was waiting longer than 10 minutes for the A or the D. Even before SBS service the M14 might've been slower (especially at Union Sq/4th Av) but never anything unbearable. Yes, there is more Ds then there are As but that's because more people live along Avenue C/D than people that live along Avenue A.  Even when I'm waiting for the M9 (which at times can take 20-30 minutes) at Essex/Delancey I usually decide to walk to the D on Columbia or Wait for the A and walk down 2 blocks. The only times I see the M14A crowded is in the morning going Westbound, outside of that there's not a crowd large enough that warrants you standing on the bus. The 14D on the other hand can be crowded til' 7 or 8 by the time it hits Avenue A

 

20 hours ago, Calvin said:

Soon but, the Bx18 will be the next bus route in NYCT that'll be a loop serving Morris Heights to and from E.170 St and Grand Concourse. Having a single terminal like the B74 and M35. Also, the Q70 Laguardia link. 

It's been a loop bus route for a while now. 

the Myrtle-Wyckoff station smells like shit. Like I ran through the station twice today (about 3 hours apart) and both times the station smells like crap and when the   runs through the station it lingers in the car until it hits the next station. 

On 5/16/2022 at 1:36 AM, 4 via Mosholu said:

Why not give them the Broadway reading for the front and back and have the digital side sign say Shuttle?

That would be better in my opinion.

Or just label the Astoria Shuttle as . Nobody really knows what that Broadway means outside of the transit community. They'd likely recognize the though.

7 hours ago, Vulturious said:

This idea involves having the  run express along Fulton St with a local train replacing it. Pretty much what's happening is the  is extended to JFK as a direct subway service with the JFK Airtrain converted to subway standards. The JFK Shuttle will most likely not run the Howard Beach branch since that won't be needed anymore.

The connection wouldn't be bad to have service from Howard Beach to Jamaica. It wouldn't even hurt.

On 3/22/2022 at 3:01 PM, mrsman said:

So while it is certainly better if a major divergence point were also an express station, a hypothetical  via DeKalb-Laffayette connection, would not cut off passengers from their destinations, even if Laffayette remained a local stop.  Jay Street provides another reasonable transfer point, albeit not cross-platform.

Would also be better if the MTA added a true Lafayette-Fulton St transfer, this way passengers needing local stops on Fulton, along with people on Local Stops who want to take the can just get off and transfer between Fulton Local and Crosstown routes. You'd also provide two opportunities to transfer to a train if they need Hoyt-Schmerhorn St; The  at Fulton St, and the at Nostrand Av

51 minutes ago, Deucey said:

That’s the problem.

Technically you could do  to 161st to  to  at Barclays. But why  to TSQ to ?

I don't think there needs to be a logical reason out side of, this is a route that 

1) Doesn't go through a station twice, and 
2) Doesn't hop back and forth between express-local (like a to Barclays,   to Franklin Av and to Brooklyn College solution), 
"Multiple routings may be possible to make the trip, but your goal is to find the one routing that matches the puzzle of the day. The solution may or may not be the fastest or efficient routing."

1 hour ago, Lil 57 said:

Just saw today's Subwaydle and I just laughed. "Travel from 14 St–Union Sq to Flatbush Av–Brooklyn College". I'm not doing 2 transfers i'm just taking the  straight there.

I also find it funny how it says "Aww, looks like you got lost on the subway..." when you don't get it right because you didn't choose the most out of the way route there is.

All these subwaydle complaints, i don't think it's supposed to be the most logical of routes, just any routes in the realm of possibility. It's more of a use your imagination thing. My own strategy is just figure out the train at the beginning and the end. 14 - Union Sq gives us the option of , while Flatbush Av gives the option of . Once you figure out the 2 trains you need, you can guess what transfer those 2 trains have in common on two separate stations. Instead of treating the game like you're giving someone the best possible directions, treat it like an actual puzzle. 

On 2/20/2022 at 10:59 AM, Amiri the subway guy said:

 sounds like the word why you think that would’ve worked 

On 2/20/2022 at 3:33 PM, ActiveCity said:

sounds like bee, sounds like see, and sounds like tea. 🤷‍♂️

On 2/20/2022 at 3:36 PM, Amiri the subway guy said:

And  sounds like end and  sounds like are

On 2/20/2022 at 5:11 PM, Vulturious said:

I and O are pretty reasonable, but you're pointing out current services that also sound similar to words like the N and R. It's pretty much contradicting yourself regardless of whether wikipedia says so or not.

All this, we could just use or   

4 hours ago, QM1to6Ave said:

I wonder, how do they get into the cabs? The doors are left unlocked, or they get themselves some illicit key?

Probably just kicking the door in. 

5 hours ago, mrsman said:

Many of the work rules make a more practical plan simply impossible.

But if we were to think it through, in the hypothetical:

First, I would think (hope) the 15 TPH rule would be suspended during such a wide ranging GO.  The available work crews would still create an average 15 TPH per line, but obviously where reorutes force new service pattern, we will see more service on such lines.

  will all share the Broadway local tracks.  will use the Bridge in Uptown direction, with    on the bridge southbound and  through Montague downtown.  will be extended to Jamaica Center.

 Suspended.

 suspended.   speical service from 207th to Coney Island will replace  on CPW and in Brooklyn.

 will begin at 96th (replacing service on 2nd Ave) merge in with  tracks along 63rd and follow  routing until W4th, and then continue on its normal routings (local in Brooklyn) to Lefferts and Far Rockaway.

 suspended, with service replaced by increased and  service.

So in Midtown, we are left with:   on Broadway local, on 6th Ave local and  on 6th Ave express.  Not great, but IMO better than all the criss-crossing that is going on with the official plans.

 

I'm sure the everyday rider would understand all these changes. Hell, I'm not even sure I'd understand at a glance.. For all of this you could've just had the  go via the , the  go via the  then the  down to Jay St, the and  don't even have to be this complicated, you could've just ran the  and  via Bridge, and have people use  . Idk why the  is suspended anyways. If you keep everything simple and on the usual GOs, service will usually be fine. New Yorkers are trying to get to one place to another.. The goal isn't to create a brand new map or create some weird service pattern/route but to make everything as easy, digestible and simple as possible. If it's anything the MTA knows how to make GOs have some simplicity and easy to understand logic behind them.

22 hours ago, VIA 7 AV said:

So the  train was delayed this morning around 8AM because of NYPD activity at Grand Street. Waited for 30 mins at Broadway Junction then left the station. Unfortunately the  showed up after I left the station so I had to take the B60 bus at Fulton and Rockaway to go to my clinic. I just hope the  isn’t delayed like that again. Especially around this time. It’s too cold to wait on a elevated subway platform 30 mins for a train.

Just now seeing this, but my train was stopped for the same reason for maybe 10 minutes, but I was going the opposite direction (southbound), didn't even know how bad this was, but train don't have too many alternatives except for buses, which makes traveling difficult..

6 hours ago, shiznit1987 said:

This plan of mine involves several re-arriangements to improve Brooklyn service:

First, the Broadway Local tracks will be connected to the north side of the Manhattan Bridge. This means that now all four MB tracks will feed into the Broadway Line. The  will become the Brighton Local with the  being the Brighton Express. This allows for Dekalb to be deinterlined. 

Second, the  trains after Broadway-Lafayette will be tied into the Nassau St Line with the  running to Jamaica Center and the  running through the Nassau St subway/Montague Tunnel to the 4th Ave local, heading to Bay Ridge. The  will be retained as a Metropolitan Ave to Chambers St service to allow for those who still want to travel from Broadway-Brooklyn to Lower Manhattan. Also, CPW will be deinterlined with the  going to 207th and the  to 205th via CPW express.  trains run to 168th via CPW local

Third, with the Lower Manhattan section of the Broadway line now severed from the rest of the route, my proposal is to connect the  train to the Broadway Line tracks at World Trade Center, making the 's terminal Whitehall St. This is critical since having a three track terminal for the  will enable it to run more service if the day ever comes the Queens Blvd bypass is built. 

Not the worst plan I've seen, but I don't think it's physically possible for to connect Lower Nassau St Line to 6th Avenue without some really tight 180. You'd also be forcing the CPW express to be entirely comprised of 8-car trains since the Jamaica and Nassau lines both are only 8 cars with no extra platform space to be made.