danig1220

What if the MTA goes broke and the Feds can’t lift it back to life, How to you go about  with the subway. What lines do we cutback? What lines to we discontinue? What do we do with the elevated lines that could be discontinued?

10 hours ago, BreeddekalbL said:

Random thought regarding  

In terms of regarding a closing lorimer and hewes and merging it ino 1 station and relocating Marcy ave to over the bus terminal

New station to Replace lorimer and hewes would be called Union and Broadway with free xfer to the  

The new marcy ave would be relocated over to the bus terminal  and a new y crossover would be added before the curve

Instead of stairs there would be elevators and ramps to platforms 

There will be a Y crossover at marcy which will enable the or  to run peak express myrtle to marcy and skip stop east of myrtle to jamaica ctr

But do any of the stations east of Myrtle/Broadway , have historical protections.

I have a idea. How do we reduce traffic (people waiting for trains) on the . As you might know. The  is a very high demand subway line. With connections to the  and future , It is, for one very important, and two very busy. I have a idea, how Do we reduce the number of people waiting for trains

1 minute ago, Armandito said:

If the ever comes to life, what kind of subway cars would it use as rolling stock and which yard would it be based at?

MTA be like, Good Question, here more crappy announcements 

I wonder, how does the multiple door control work.

I have an idea for many bus routes. The MTA should bring back the culture loop routes again so that tourist starting at JFK or LGA can explore the city.

I have some proposals.

Extending the  to Co-Op City. (Not new) 

Extending the Frankilin Avenue  to connect with the  (Not new)

Cutting the  to Whitehall Street, replacing Bay Ridge service with the  (Not new) 

A Fordham Road - 207th Street  streetcar from Co-Op City to 207th Street , to reduce bus traffic. 

12 hours ago, danig1220 said:

 operates between 116th Street and South Ferry with an extended Bx7 to cover the area between 116th and 242nd.

 -operates between 72nd Street and Atlantic Avenue, just for safety. 
 

 - inoperable

 -86th Street-Atlantic Avenue (Shuttle Bus from 86th Street to Woodlawn and adding frequency to the Bx32) 

 - Dyre Avenue-3rd Avenue-149th Street

 - Pelham Bay Park to Hunts Point Avenue,  shuttle buses between 86th Street and Hunts Point Avenue 

 - Queensboro Plaza to Hudson Yards. Queensboro Plaza and Flushing Shuttle Bus.

 - 59th Street-Mott Avenue

I will finish tomorrow, as it is my bedtime.

 

 - 59th Street - Atlantic Avenue . Use  Shuttle Buses between 59th Street  and 167th Street , for service on Grand Concourse, use Bx1, and Bx2. For service to Brighton Beach use  shuttle buses

 - 59th Street - Lefferts Boulevard, for service to 168th Street, use  shuttle buses

 - 59th Street - Coney Island for service to the Bronx, use  shuttle buses, for service along Grand Concourse use Bx1, Bx2, and Bx10

 - operates normally

 - Jamaica-179th Street - Bergen Street. For services to Coney Island, use  shuttle buses.

 - Court Square - Bergen Street, for services to Church Avenue, use  shuttle buses

 - Rockaway Park Shuttle - Rockaway Park - Euclid Avenue

 - 95th Street to Myrtle Avenue

 - normal service

 -57th Street-7th Avenue - Coney Island for service to Astoria, use  shuttle buses.

 - 96th Street - Atlantic Avenue  , for service to Coney Island use  shuttle buses. For service to Dekalb Avenue, use . 

 - Forest Hills - Whitehall Street, free MetroCard  transfer to Broad Street  

 - inoperable

 - inoperable

4 minutes ago, B61In2002 said:

A natural disaster hits, which causes the following:

-A landslide in the West Bronx and Upper Manhattan, crushing the  line between Fordham Rd and 170 St (majority of the curve from Jerome to River has been destroyed as well, leaving enough space at 167 St for trains in 5 car sets to properly terminate and reverse) and the  between Dyckman and 242 St. The portal to the 207 St Yard, alongside Dyckman and 207 St has also been partially destroyed, deemed unsafe for trains to stop in, but safe enough to operate through.

-Grand Concourse throughout various sections of Tremont and Mt Eden (where a street tunnel passes under Grand Concourse) have collapsed, striking the  between 182-183 Sts and 170 St. 

- The 125 St Valley has been completely demolished, causing a massive tidal wave striking parts of Astoria, Hunts Point, and the entirety of Randalls-Wards Island. The  between 3 Av-138 St and E 149 St has become submurged, and the street below the  between Broadway and 39 Av has become flooded, deeming it unsafe for trains to pass through. The stations underground in the 125 St Valley are safe enough to operate through, but not stop at.

-the west side of Central Park and Morningside Park has been struck by a landslide, causing the street to cave in on the CPW Line between 86 St and 116 St, and on the Lenox Av line between 96 St and 110 St. (No stations on the Lenox Av Line were affected, just the tunnel connecting the line to the Bdwy-7th)

-The wave in Upper Manhattan caused water levels in Flushing to rise, causing the  to flood between Mets-Willets Point and Flushing-Main Street. To avoid power failure along the entire line, the power has been shut off along the westbound track between Main St and 74 St - Broadway.

A landslide in Prospect Park has blocked the tracks at all nearby Prospect Park stations, which include:

15 St - Prospect Park  

Prospect Park

Grand Army Plaza

And finally, a landslide from Highland Park has blocked the portal at Wilson Av and Broadway Junction and destroyed Alabama Av  

In short:

242 St Yard, Jerome Av Yard, Concourse Yard are all blocked off

The entire elevated  train is destroyed because geography 

The  and  have been destroyed in Mt Eden, Highbridge, and Tremont sections of the Bronx

 and  in the sections near the 125 St Valley and Randalls Island are destroyed / deemed unstable

Lenox and CPW have been crushed by North Central Park (Lenox stations not affected) 

 are all affected by Prospect Park landslide 

 has been flooded towards the east; Corona Yard is unaffected

Hell Gate Bridge is destroyed, alongside the Park Av elevated stretch & Park Av bridge

 portals are blocked &  is cut off between Bdwy Junction / Alabama Av

 

Reroute away guys! Try to provide as much service to areas unaffected. Bonus if you can figure out how to provide service to the !

 

Try to not overload a single trunk line, as essentially all trunk lines except the 4th Av Line & Queens Blvd Line are affected in some way.

 

 operates between 116th Street and South Ferry with an extended Bx7 to cover the area between 116th and 242nd.

 -operates between 72nd Street and Atlantic Avenue, just for safety. 
 

 - inoperable

 -86th Street-Atlantic Avenue (Shuttle Bus from 86th Street to Woodlawn and adding frequency to the Bx32) 

 - Dyre Avenue-3rd Avenue-149th Street

 - Pelham Bay Park to Hunts Point Avenue, (Transfer to the Bx19 the to the  shuttle bus)

 - Queensboro Plaza to Hudson Yards. Queensboro Plaza and Flushing Shuttle Bus.

 - 59th Street-Mott Avenue

I will finish tomorrow, as it is my bedtime.

18 minutes ago, danig1220 said:

I have many questions.

Is the Subway at its best state? How can we make it better? Is it okay to expand all subway routes to it’s full potential to reach as many people as possible?  

Sorry for the confusion earlier.

I have many questions.

How good is this current system? How can it be better? Is it okay to “maximize” all subway routes?  

What if a toddler controls the MTA for one day? And the people in charge just go through with it. (Be creative in your reply’s)

This is a fantasy thread where all of our subway fantasy thoughts can be shared.

One rule, no criticism of any kind.

Okay, let’s just abandon this thread, because I messed up.

1 minute ago, B35 via Church said:

Why though....

There's already that Subway - What if thread, if you wanted to make a game out of this.... If the "what if" scenario is actually a reality, then coming up with a solution/suggestion still lies within the merits of that game.

Very misleading thread title.....

This for if the MTA reaches financial levels worse than between 2008-2010,

Dear NYC Transit Fans of the internet,

Because of COVID-19, the MTA is losing money, which could lead to service cuts.

Rules are,

Choose which lines to cut back and to change. Then show the replacement.

Foe example, let us use the IRT. 

*) Rush hours only

**) All hours.

 - no change, frequency cuts, limited short turns.

 - Harlem-148* or Wakefield** to New Lots Ave. Local, all times. For service to Flatbush Avenue, use . Lexington Avenue and Bowling Green service eliminated 
 - Eliminated. For service to 148th Street, use . 
 - Woodlawn - Flatbush Avenue. Local, all times. For service between Franklin Avenue and New Lots Avenue, use .

 - Dyre Avenue to 180th Street** or Bowling Green*. Express in Manhattan.

 - Express service discontinued. Frequency cuts.

 - Super-express service discontinued, Limited express service.

 (Time Square) - discontinued, use  or M42

Let’s make things interesting, by using future NYCSubwayv4 map instead.

A  derails at Junius Street-Livonia Avenue crashing time the  platform. Then Woodhaven Blvd  burns down (all platforms affected) then all power in the industrial area of The Bronx goes out. 
 

Then minor earthquakes happen across the city. (Be creative with this one)

Reroute away

What if Manhattan burned down plus the bridges, tunnels and subways underneath?

6 hours ago, Wallyhorse said:

6th Avenue trains do not have access to the 60th Street tunnel that the Broadway lines use.  They use 53rd and 63rd. 

Such trains would have to have been on what become the Broadway line tracks in Brooklyn.  That train would have been caught long before it got to Lex/59-60.  Probably gets sent to 96th/2nd, goes back to 63rd/Lex and rejoins the 6th Avenue line after that.  

That said:

operates in Two Sections:
Woodlawn-86th Street
Utica Avenue (New Lots late nights)-Brooklyn Bridge (some trains end and begin at Wall Street)

runs via the  between 149th Street and Nevins Street

 operates between Pelham Bay Park and 86th Street only
Express Shuttle buses operate between Brooklyn Bridge and 86th Street.  For local service, transfer to an M101 or M102 bus.

Once power can be restored to the IRT tracks at 59th Street,  and  run to Grand Central and shuttle buses operate from that point to Brooklyn Bridge (though some trains then end and begin at 59th Street)

is suspended.

operates from 205th Street-Bay Parkway.  Some trains end and begin at Bay 50th Street or 25th Avenue.

operates 179th Street in Queens to Kings Highway in Brooklyn.  Some trains continue to Avenue X and terminate (or begin) there.

is extended to 71st-Continental.

operates in two sections:
Ditmars Boulevard-Queensboro Plaza (free OOS transfer to Queens Boulevard Line trains at Queens Plaza).
96th Street-2nd Avenue, Manhattan to 86th Street, Brooklyn via the tunnel (local in Manhattan and Brooklyn),

operates from 96th Street-2nd Avenue to Brighton Beach (some trains end and begin at Ocean Parkway).

runs from 95th Street-Bay Ridge to Whitehall Street in Manhattan only.

 is suspended.

That  train was sent to the south side of the Manhattan Bridge by accident

10 hours ago, B61In2002 said:

So how bad is the damage at Coney Island, which yard was the exiting?

Otherwise:

: 2 sections; (Switch is N of the station) Grand Central  - Woodlawn & Brooklyn Bridge - New Lots Av or Flatbush Av (local in Brooklyn)

: all service suspended;  trains are rerouted to Dyre Av and extra  trains are run during this time. Some  and  trains end at Atlantic Av or Utica Av.

: Grand Central - Pelham Bay. To reduce the possibility of a switch malfunction, trains signed as  will run express between Grand Central and 125 St, and between 3 Av - 138 St and Pelham Bay in peak direction.

Extra  service will be run.

There is no  service on Track 1 at Grand Central.

All service in the Coney Island area is shut down. 

: Bay 50 St - 205 St. Extra service is run during this time, and  trains run local between Atlantic Av and 36 St (Bklyn).

: trains run between Av X and 179 St. All trains will be rerouted to the 53 St Tunnel. 

: trains run in 2 sections;

Between Astoria - Dimtars Blvd and Queensboro Plaza.

Between Gravesend-86 St and Forest Hills-71 Av. trains skip 49 St at this time. 

: Brighton Beach - 96 St. Trains run via the Montague Tunnel and Broadway Local. 

: service is suspended. To compensate this, some  and  trains will be rerouted via South Brooklyn to 95 St.  will be running local. service is rerouted via 63 St to avoid congestion at the 36 St Interlocking.

Extra  will be run.

B82, B64 & B74 will terminate at Mermaid Av & W 20 St.

B68 will terminate at W 8 St - New York Aquarium station. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The entire station collapses, which in a chain reaction causes the  between Bay Parkway and the terminal to collapse, causing instability on the rest of the elevated line. And the  to collapse between Ave X and the terminal to collapse, causing instability on the rest of the elevated line. However the only damage on the rest of  was some power issues causing a fire at 86th Street, the  between Sheepshead Bay and the Terminal to collapse, causing instability all the way to Franklin Avenue  (making it unsafe to run)

The  was the first morning rush hour train exiting Jamaica Yard.

Scenario:

A drunk conductor on the Time Square  hits a  while deadheading to Livonia at Grand Central blocking all 4 tracks.

A  gets rerouted accidentally the derails at the switch outside the NB tracks at Lex/59 hitting a southbound  

Earlier a  exiting the yard details causing all trains to be stuck.

And to make matters even worse, the Coney Island Terminal collapses killing many people, causing a lot of the elevated lines in the area to collapse partially.

Sorry if I foamed a bit too much.

16 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

Overall, it’s plausible that a “doomsday” service plan might look something like this. But I’d like to suggest some tweaks to it:
 

- I’d have the  run solely from Dyre. With the  still on White Plains Road, the peak direction WPR  would be a pretty easy cut (it was suspended during “Essential Service” phase).

- I’d have the  go to Lefferts because that’s the busier branch and bustitute the Rockaways services.

- I’d keep the  and run it as a 6th Avenue local starting at 57th/6th, then via its current route after West 4th (the  ran this same service pattern from 1968-86).

- I’d also keep the  as a Queens-Manhattan service, terminating either at 34th St or 2nd Avenue. It would run express in Queens alongside the . Both lines’ northern terminals would be the same as now.

- I’d run the  as the QB local to/from 71st Ave, then via 63rd St tunnel, Broadway Express and the Manhattan Bridge. Then in Brooklyn, I’d have the  run local to/from Bay Ridge. 

- I’d run the  to/from Astoria to Stillwell via 60th, Broadway Local and Montague. Once in Brooklyn, the  would switch to the 4th Avenue express tracks and run to/from Stillwell via the Sea Beach Line (the  ran this same service pattern from 1994-2001). 

- The  would be discontinued.

I agree with the changes to the other services. Though I really, really hope it doesn’t have to come to this.

I’d prefer the  to go a bit further north to 57th because Rockefeller Center will eventually become bustling again and I think it’s too much of major destination to completely eliminate subway service to, even if 49th St on the  isn’t that far away. And having the  in Brooklyn would allow the  and  to each operate only on one branch off of 4th Avenue, instead of forking.

I was still considering the  going to The Bronx.

4 hours ago, mrsman said:

An interesting topic.  Here is my ultimate doomsday scenario:

 Reduced service frequencies.  No service south of 14th Street.

 Reduced service frequencies.  No service south of Times Square.

 Eliminated.

 Reduced service frequencies.  Local service in Brooklyn terminating at Flatbush Ave.

 Reduced service frequencies.  Service from both White Plains and Dyre Ave maintained.  Local service in Brooklyn terminating at New Lots.

 Reduced service frequencies.   eliminated.  Otherwise unchanged.

 Reduced service frequencies.  eliminated.  Otherwise unchanged.

 Reduced service frequencies.  Runs local in Brooklyn.  Service to Far Rockaway.  Lefferts and Rockaway Park served by buses.

 Eliminated.

 Reduced service frequencies.  Concourse local run at all times, CPW local, 8th Ave local.  South of Jay Street,  will service the Culver line.

 Eliminated.

 Reduced service frequencies.  Otherwise unchanged.

 Eliminated.

 Eliminated.

 Reduced service frequencies.  No service south of Chambers.  No skip stop service.

 Reduced service frequencies.  Half of rush hour trains will short turn at Myrtle/Wyckoff.

 Reduced service frequencies.  No service to Midtown, terminates at Chambers.  

 Reduced service frequencies. From 179th, QBL express service, 63rd street tunnel, Broadway express to West End line. 

 Reduced service frequencies.  Otherwise unchanged.

 Reduced service frequencies.  From Forest Hills, QBL local service, 60th street tunnel, Broadway local to Sea Beach line. Service to Bay Ridge via bus.

 All shuttles eliminated.

 Reduced service frequencies.  Astoria - Broadway local service terminating at Whitehall.

 Eliminated.

To further account for budget decreases, certain stations on each remaining line will be shut entirely, and others will be shut during off-peak hours.  Walk to nearest open station.

 

Keep the  cut it back to 34th Street, and allow to  to go via West End and Sea Beach or the  to go via Bay Ridge and Sea Beach. Eliminate the   (7X). reroute the  to go via Crosstown. 

4 hours ago, CenSin said:

It’s bogus because they only hit the delete button on some colored lines while leaving a lot of other things on the map. The and are running, but the —one of the busiest lines—isn’t! The duplicates the . The duplicates the . The Rockaways—the lowest ridership area—is still being served.

But other than that a few improvements here and there would make the scenario more believable. The , for example, might serve both Hillside and Archer Avenues (forked in Queens). The might return to Grand Concourse. The might be extended to cover the loss of service in Brooklyn.

What would we do to the Rockaways?

Do we demolish it? Or do we leave it until the MTA recieves more funding?

11 minutes ago, Mtatransit said:

Its mostly just for the visuals. Its designed to show how severe this upcoming budget shortfall will be. Remember in 2010, those custs only saved roughly 400-500 million.

I think subways will come out fine in the end, with further frequency reductions. Service was running during the weekend on most route every 6-8 minutes. That was cut to every 10 minutes in 2010. it probably go to every 15 min, if things really go south. Some express will probably go local and some locals will be discontinued outside of peak periods.

Buses however will be slaughtered. Express bus will probably be cut significantly. Probably included is major frequency and span reductions.

I enjoy your optimism. You calmed me down.