Bklyn Bound 2 Local

On 2/18/2012 at 6:30 AM, Mysterious2train said:

 

The and switch is one of the more common unplanned service changes. I usually see one every few weeks, and it probably occurs more often than that. I mean, there are so many different scenarios that can necessitate a switch, it's not a big deal.

I remeber the first time i ever took a train to the bronx,  and  trains were running express northbound on White Plains.

Not only that, north of E 180 St,  trains ran on the  and  trains ran on the  

11 hours ago, Maxwell179 said:

Rush Hour Express  Runs Resume May 3rd

 

Speaking of the F express, why did it never run express south of Church?

Proposed route

EDIT: Currently WIP

Route: 

Car models: R46, R68, R160 Siemens, R211

Stops:

1. Rockaway Park - Beach 116th Street
2. Beach 105th Street - Seaside
3. Beach 98th Street - Playland
4. Beach 90th Street - Holland
5. Broad Channel
6. Howard Beach - JFK Airport 
7. Aqueduct - N Conduit Ave 
8. Aqueduct Racetrack 
9. Rockaway Blvd - Liberty Ave
10. Atlantic Ave
11. Jamaica Ave
12. Myrtle Ave
13. Union Tpke
14. Yellowstone Blvd
15. 63rd Dr - Rego Park
16. Woodhaven Blvd - Queens Mall
17. Grand Ave - Newton
18. 69th Street
19. 58th Street
20. 46th Street - Bliss Street (underground platforms)
21. 40th Street - Lowery Street (underground platforms)
22. 33rd Street - Rawson Street (underground platforms)
23. Queens Plaza

20 hours ago, Wallyhorse said:

I know this one's a bit old,. but the Broadway-Brooklyn-to-Canarsie-Line could very well work.  You would need to re-build Atlantic Avenue to at least four tracks and two island platforms (which as I remember can be done as not all of the old structures were torn down) where perhaps for example the becomes a full-time Canarsie line while the continues as it does and the terminates at Atlantic Avenue with a simple cross-platform transfer at Atlantic (in most cases) to the .  

This route actually existed for a while in the 60's. Some  trains were rerouted via a spur onto the Canarsie line, however the spur did skip Bway Junction. Because the spur was single tracked, trains only ran towards Canarsie.

On 3/21/2021 at 1:27 PM, vanshnookenraggen said:

Theoretical limit? There are other factors involved in capacity like power, acceleration, and dwell times. So maybe we can't hit 36tph. I hope NYCT plans on stress testing CBTC on QBL to see what's possible. 

dude are you the real vanshnookenraggen? i love ur website.

On 2/27/2021 at 10:12 PM, mrsman said:

How many trains can QBL serve using 179th, JC, and Forest Hills as possible terminals?

I'm definitely overthinking this but:

Given the fact that 179th has 8 tailing tracks, the yard access at Forest Hills, and the basic terminal at Jamaica Center

• There is enough space at 179th St for  and  trains to all terminate there and each line would have 2 tracks to do so.
• There is enough space at Forest Hills for up to 3 lines to terminate there, which means that if we have the  terminating at 179th St, the  and possibly rerouted  and  trains could terminate at 71st Ave
• 2 lines could terminate at Jamaica Center, and given the other examples, the lines would probably be rerouted  and  trains but not  or  trains since they are core lines at CPW.

So basically you could have 9 lines run on Queens Blvd, give or take a few due to station and track capacity. The lines i came up with were the  and rerouted  and  trains.

On 2/16/2021 at 12:47 PM, Vulturious said:

True, but service is split anyways. There's no need to keep  trains only for rush hours and then calling it the  later since that would confuse passengers more. You need to keep them less confused by having the  run all day and night.

Yeah, but if the  runs instead of the , the  can't carry Queens Blvd local by itself during rush hour, the  or  would have to run local.

On 2/11/2021 at 12:53 PM, Vulturious said:

You might as well have just kept the  as the  still since there is no need to go and change it to that. Sure its running via the , but there's no need to even keep the  running at all, just have the  running only during the weekdays and other times the  will continue to run. It's going to be running the same stops anyways.

The reason I used the  and  is because the  is used for only rush hour service normally, so having the  run on weekends and late nights would be very confusing for a lot of people

On 2/11/2021 at 2:00 PM, Maxwell179 said:

you mean stops between Marcy & Myrtle or between Myrtle & Metropolitan ?

Kosciuzko, Gates, Halsey, and Chauncey are closed

STATION AND TRACK RESTORATION

EFFECTIVE 24/7 FROM FEB 14, 2021 TO EARLY SUMMER 2021

The stations and track between Myrtle Ave and Broadway Junction are some of the oldest in the system, dating back to the late 1800's.

We are trying to restore these stations and track, so no service will run between Myrtle Av and Broadway Junction.

Because of this, service is going to be changed differently depending on the time.

RUSH HOUR:

•  trains will run via the  to Middle Village - Metropolitan Avenue,making express stops west of Myrtle Ave.
•  trains are only running between Broadway Junction and Jamaica Center, making all local stops.
•  trains will be running more frequent service between Myrtle-Wyckoff Avs and Broadway Junction

MID-DAY AND EVENINGS:

•  trains will continue to operate during mid-day and evenings, but will run local.
•  trains will run exactly the same service as during rush hour.

LATE NIGHTS AND WEEKENDS:

•  trains will run same service as rush hour
•  trains will not run
•  trains will run between Metropolitan Av and Broad Street, and will be labeled as  trains.

On 12/3/2020 at 9:39 AM, Bklyn Bound 2 Local said:

 TRACK REPAIRS AND SIGNAL MODERNIZATION

EFFECTIVE WEEKENDS AND NIGHTS FROM 5/12/2020 UNTIL SPRING 2021

The 53rd and 63rd St tubes will be closed for track repairs and signal modernizaton

CLOSED STATIONS:

• Lex Av-63rd St ( tracks remain open)
• Roosevelt Island
• 21 St - Queensbridge
• Court Sq ( tracks remain open)
• Lex Av-53rd ( tracks remain open)
• 5 Av - 53rd St
• 7 Av - 53rd St ( tracks remain open)

REROUTINGS AND SERVICE CHANGES:

•  trains will run via the  between Forest Hills-71 Av and Whitehall St, the last stop
•  trains will run late-night service
• trains run along the  and  lines between Rockefeller Ctr and 96 St-2 Av, the last stop.  trains will arrive on the  tracks at Lex Av-63rd St
•  trains will run via the  line in Manhattan.
•  trains will run along the  line between Queens Plaza and Bergen St
•  trains will run local between Bergen St and Smith - 9th Sts.

EDIT: Forgot to mention no service at 2 Av, Delancey St, E Bway, York St and F platforms at Jay St

29 minutes ago, Vulturious said:

•  trains running via the  sounds good on paper, but then you have to deal with  trains. That and  trains being forced to run local, in Manhattan which would mean 3 local service running because this is service running on Weekdays, too.
•  trains running late night service during weekdays isn't bad either, but you have to deal with the  terminating at Whitehall as well so  trains need to terminate somewhere else. I don't see a reason to run  trains at all if that is the case because again, this is running on Weekdays. If anything, just keep the  running to Forest Hills with the  terminating at 21 St-Queensbridge. There are relay switches for it to turn trains around, I would still keep the  local in this scenario with the .
• Nothing to say much about the , however, there needs to be another service running on 6th Av for this to work. The  can't carry 6th Av on its own, especially with it running 8 cars instead of 10 cars, which means less capacity it can run. The  also needs to run full time for this to work as well since you have the  running via the .
•  trains running local on in Manhattan shouldn't happen, especially with this proposed  via Broadway to Whitehall, the  is going to be backed up a lot along with the  here.
• If you really wanted to reroute  trains via the , you're going to have to force  trains to be extended as well onto QBL.  trains cannot terminate at Court Square while  trains run through it full time until Spring as both trains end up being delayed. Maybe running the  to Jamaica to make up for the lose of the ,  trains are running express still in this scenario anyways. Although, I would just keep the  running to Manhattan anyways with it running to 96 St-2 Av with the . If possible, because of the congestion that causes for the , maybe having the  replace the  or the  running to Lexington Av-53rd St and terminating there. Like 21 St-Queensbridge, there are relay switches that can allow for it to terminate there. 

The point is to run service at its best with these reroutes, however, these reroutes can only work if it was weekend service, not weekday service. It ends up congesting lines, causing delays and trouble. My ideas are probably not any better than what you came up with, however, I highly doubt the  would have both 53rd St and 63rd St closed. It ends up making service on QBL much more worse than it needs to be.

The  is not a problem, as at the beginning i mentioned that it is only on weekends and nights, when the  does not run

M97 SBS

Stops

1. Union Sq
2. 18 St - Broadway
3. Madison Square Park ( at 23rd St)
4. 28 St - Broadway
5. Herald Square  
6. 38th St - Broadway
7. Times Square - 42nd St - Broadway  
8. 48th St - Broadway ( at 50th St - Broadway)
9. 52nd St - Broadway
10. 56th St - Broadway
11. Columbus Circle
12. 66 St - CPW
13. 70 St - CPW ( at 72nd St)
14. 74 St - CPW
15. 78 St - CPW
16. 82 St - CPW - Museum of Natural History (  at 81 St)
17. 86th St - CPW
18. 90th St - CPW
19. 94th St - CPW
20. 97th St - CPW
21. North Meadow
22. 5 Av - 97th St
23. Park Ave - 97th St COUNTERCLOCKWISE LOOP
24. Lex Av - 97th St COUNTERCLOCKWISE LOOP
25. 3rd Av - 97th St COUNTERCLOCKWISE LOOP
26. 3rd Ave - 101 St COUNTERCLOCKWISE LOOP
27. Park Ave - 101 St COUNTERCLOCKWISE LOOP

 TRACK REPAIRS AND SIGNAL MODERNIZATION

EFFECTIVE WEEKENDS AND NIGHTS FROM 5/12/2020 UNTIL SPRING 2021

The 53rd and 63rd St tubes will be closed for track repairs and signal modernizaton

CLOSED STATIONS:

• Lex Av-63rd St ( tracks remain open)
• Roosevelt Island
• 21 St - Queensbridge
• Court Sq ( tracks remain open)
• Lex Av-53rd ( tracks remain open)
• 5 Av - 53rd St
• 7 Av - 53rd St ( tracks remain open)

REROUTINGS AND SERVICE CHANGES:

•  trains will run via the  between Forest Hills-71 Av and Whitehall St, the last stop
•  trains will run late-night service
• trains run along the  and  lines between Rockefeller Ctr and 96 St-2 Av, the last stop.  trains will arrive on the  tracks at Lex Av-63rd St
•  trains will run via the  line in Manhattan.
•  trains will run along the  line between Queens Plaza and Bergen St
•  trains will run local between Bergen St and Smith - 9th Sts.

12 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

The Hanover Sq station would be pointed away from Brooklyn and would require a sharp turn to go toward the East River, given that Water St runs northeast-southwest. Maybe it would be easier to have Brooklyn-SAS trains branch off the main SAS line before getting to Water St. 

There have been plans to reroute a second SAS service down Nassau Street, cutting the  at Chambers St and continuing into Brooklyn

On 11/22/2020 at 2:21 PM, bobtehpanda said:

The and both do this; the reason the doesn't go to Brooklyn isn't because of its length, it's because the Cranberry merge is a shitshow. If 8th Avenue had local tracks under the river you'd bet they'd be sending service to Brooklyn without a thought.

My major issue with using the Atlantic Branch for subway service is; why? Neither the or is at full track capacity or full. Jamaica - Downtown Brooklyn - Downtown travel demand isn't very high and is perfectly doable today. Fulton local would be a shorter connection providing much the same benefit, and is already helpfully grade separated through the thicket of lines in Downtown Brooklyn.

I agree, not only did the  once go as far as Rockaway Park - Beach 116th St, having more than 2 lines with frequent service on 2 tracks is just a recipe for disaster.

On 11/20/2020 at 10:10 PM, Bay Ridge Express said:

I like the idea of connecting to the Rockaways considering it will mostly be used for Queens-Manhattan travel but I might prefer a direct North-South Queens line.

The North south line could end up as an extension of either the  or  by sending it south after Forest Hills, through Forest Park, across Jamaica Ave, and meeting the  at Rockaway Blvd.

20 hours ago, Wallyhorse said:

Best way to do 125 IMO is still to extend SAS Phase 2 all the way across 125 to at least where it meets the  at Broadway if not to a new Metro-North station at 12th Avenue (with stops besides Lex-125, also stopping at Lenox Avenue for the and St. Nicholas Avenue for the ).  That also gives those on the east side a one-seat ride to Columbia University.  

The Metro-North extension is a pretty good opportunity not only for a new 125th Street Metro-North Connection, but also a connection down to Penn Station. All it requires is for the curve into Penn station to be double tracked and maybe widened.

On 10/13/2020 at 3:25 PM, Armandito said:

It's about time we hoped that would happen. The R211s will be the most luxurious subway cars yet, with open gangways, free Wi-Fi, and USB charging ports for phones so we can all commute in comfort and convenience.

If only that was available on system like the Washington DC Metro. As someone who was been there frequently, the only way to get constant WiFi is a hotspot. Only 50% stations on the metro have WiFi, and Cell Service is out of the question due to the depth of the system. WMATA was going to get their new 8000 series cars with WiFi if they were built by Bombardier, but when WMATA saw the failure of the R179, that job was given to Hitachi Rail

3 hours ago, Deucey said:

Me to myself on the  train today:

1) if you’re closing the subway nightly to clean, why am I stepping around human feces at 1pm on these stairs at South Ferry?

2) Why do y’all let meth heads smoke cigs and whatnot at the 34th/7th Av entrance?

3) Ma’am, you have latex gloves, a face shield and a mask on. Why are you hitting me with elbows when there’s all these empty seats on this train?

This is so true.

1 hour ago, Theli11 said:

How is a tunnel/another bridge out of the question?

Too expensive for a tunnel and another bridge would be too close to the other bridges in the area

23 minutes ago, Reptile said:

I'd rather a Parkchester - Throgs Neck - College Point - Main St - Jamaica light rail line, terminating at the AirTrain's Jamaica stop. This could transfer to some cross - bronx line on Fordham Road, so you can get all the away across the bronx on one and get all the way to the airport on the next line.

But how would it get across the Long Island Sound? A tunnel is out of the question, and another bridge would not be the best either.

26 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

What is the oldest station in operation in the subway system?

I think it's Alabama Avenue on the  , it dates back to the 1860s

18 hours ago, Armandito said:

Clinton-42 St: at 44 St and 42 St

Maybe rename it to Hell's Kitchen/Clinton - 42nd St, or just Hell's Kitchen - 42nd St

55 minutes ago, Armandito said:

How the  line would look on the subway map:

(Note that I used an older map because the current one doesn't have enough space to show the route)

How in the world did you do this?