Wallyhorse

3 hours ago, Calvin said:

A note to all who rides, photographs the system to be careful out there. Especially not to stand very close to the platform as you'll never know what you'll come across. Earlier today, at 7:16 PM at Kings Highway on the  . It was shouted from three individuals on the train at three of the eight cars in the back of the Coney Island side, a man went and slapped two seperate woman and a male was punched between Newkirk Plaza and Avenue M. As the train got to Kings Highway, riders shouted to not have the train leave the station to avoid more trouble that'll go on and exits were blocked so, the police can be on their way that happened 10 minutes responded. At that time, the suspect was held by three other indivduals so, that way officers are there to take the suspect away. 

Shows how sick some people are. 

I suspect a lot of this is not having enough workers for such.  Many people retired during the pandemic and will continue to take some time for all those positions to be filled again. 

5 hours ago, shiznit1987 said:

As a QBL rider, let me just say this: Only having one local was hell. The issue is that the  does carry light from 5th av/53rd st up to Roosevelt, but once at Roosevelt it becomes packed again. 

Which would be covered in an  split to and "Orange "  by having (once necessary CBTC work is done) having half of the  trains operate to 71-Continental to during the week and at all times nights and weekends.  This gives with the "Orange " 2nd Avenue riders a one-seat option on 6th Avenue while having half each of the current  and  trains cover QBL local with the .  

7 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

I just had a thought. Observing the ridership trends on Queens Blvd, it doesn’t seem like the  train is as full as it could be, but yet service between 6 Av Stations and Brooklyn seems well utilized. Why doesn’t transit consider the following changes

1. Split rush hour  service between 96 St/2 Av and Forest Hills-71 Av (keep the 71 Av trips via the 53 St tunnel), so that way each  branch runs every 12 minutes during peak times. Midday service can be every 8 minutes (again either split to 96 St and 71 Av), or keep every 10 minutes and all trips to 96 St. Evening service until 10PM to 96 St and run weekend service there too. Night service can stay at Myrtle Av.

2. Swap the  during the s Queens Blvd hours of operation then swap the  to 63 St all other times.
 

it Just seems that the  isn’t as busy and having the service suspended for 7 months showed that the  can handle Queens Blvd for the most part with not as much  service on that end of the line, but the 6 Av-to-Metropolitan Av section needs at the very least the service it’s getting, if not more.

A while back, I had proposed this myself by splitting the into and "Orange ." with the trains operating as they do now and the "Orange " trains operating to 96th Street-2nd Avenue.  What likely would need to be done there would be if split the into and  as I would do it, probably have every other  train run to 71st-Continental to fill in the void of the  being split (or course, CBTC work between Court Square and Queens Plaza on the  would have to be completed before this could be accomplished).   

In this, the "Orange " would run at all times to 96th/2nd and eliminate the night and weekend shuttles.    

4 hours ago, S78 via Hylan said:

Hard pass. It’s been explained numerous times by RTO employees here why the  is needed on Queens Blvd and not 2nd Ave. Just because trains don’t seem to be utilized on a particular corridor doesn’t they aren’t. 

And the is utilized and why if they can do the necessary CBTC work between Court Square and Queens Plaza on the , I would return half of the service to QBL to compensate for the loss of the  and in this case go back to having the operate entirely to 71-Continental when the is not running on QBL (with the late nights returning to be an express).  

On 4/10/2024 at 12:54 PM, shiznit1987 said:

Here's my list of transfers and station improvements that the MTA should consider building: 

1) Connecting DeKalb Ave  and Nevins St   in Brooklyn with a fare zone passageway. Will reduce crowding at Atlantic-Barclays 

2) Speaking of DeKalb, the current station should be reconstructed where the island platforms are extended to meet the 4th Ave express tracks, and then the current  tracks would be on the outside pair, with the  tracks being served by new side platforms dug out. So In effect, the station would consist of two pairs of side platforms for the  and two island platforms serving the  . This means in the future we can deinterline DeKalb and make it a easy transfer. 

3) Woodhaven Blvd   needs to be made an express stop. Just do it already.  

4) A connection should be built between Hoyt-Schemerhorn  and Nevins St  as well

5) A transfer between Queens Plaza and QB Plaza

6) A transfer between Lex-63rd st  and Lex-60th  

7) A lower level built on the Lex Express at 51st so the  can stop there. 

8) Connect Columbus Circle   and 57th St on the  

9) Connect Prince St  to the Bleecker St complex  

Going to address these:

1 and 4:  If such connections can be done via a new underground passageway, then certainly.

2. Not sure how that would work.

3. That is definitely, especially if at some point the Rockaway Beach Branch is re-activated as subway.

5. Blatantly obvious.

6. You would need a long passageway on both 3rd and on Lexington Avenues for this to work.

7. This would help, especially once the SAS station also opens (here it would be possible since such a transfer would be through the Lexi/53rd station on the ).

8. Not sure this is feasible given the Broadway  line station runs from 55th-57th and the  station I believe is from 59th-61st.  To me, it would be better if possible to extend the 63rd Street connector to the 8th Avenue Line if possible, allowing for an 8th Avenue service to access 63rd.  

9. This is another no-brainer.  You could do it from the north end of the side platforms at Prince on the ( late nights) to the  stations around Houston).  

On 4/11/2024 at 6:21 AM, FLX9304 said:

6 cars on the (7), especially during baseball games? That’s pathetic! They should’ve treated baseball fans of yesteryear than what they do today. 
 

I only counted off peak hours, not peak because most of the lines were full length, with the exception of the  & the . The very short AA becomes the long CC during peak hours, so they do share the same car lengths 

Yep, though it seemed during the winter the  was back to 11 cars on weekends, or at least for Jets games (I remember going out to see the only post-merger playoff game ever for the Jets at Shea when they lost to the Bills in the AFC Wild Card playoff).  I also remember the  would have one "game train" that was a full train on weekends after Mets games though most trains after Mets games were still six cars. 

The was replaced during rush hours by the   back then.

12 hours ago, FLX9304 said:

The shortening of lengths go way back to the mid to late 1970s and it follows during off peak hours on evenings, nights and weekends: 

,  & : 5 cars 

: 8 cars 

: 6 cars 

: 8 cars 

: 4 R44 cars and 6 R38 cars

: 4 cars at all times except peak and nights 

, , ,  {6th Ave Local from 57th St}: 8 cars 

, : 4 cars R46 

, , : 4 cars 

All other subway lines did not operate. 
the  & all  lines are normal

Yep!  That is EXACTLY how it was.  The  often was six cars on weekends as I remember going to Shea for Mets games then. 

Also, the  was six cars during rush hours.  

11 hours ago, Trainmaster5 said:

I think you better check your statement about the midday  . The train ran from Dyre to Atlantic Avenue midday alternating with the  from Woodlawn. Both lines ran 10 car trains. I was stationed at Atlantic Avenue frequently in the early Eighties by the crew office daily. I can tell you that the  ran 5 cars on the midnights from VCP to the ferry because I was assigned there to cut the 10 car trains to 5+5 a few times. I also know that the  train ran 4 car trains middays out to Euclid in the mid eighties. 
Finally I had a job on Sunday nights on the  from New Lots to 241 Stb and WPR. We ran 5 cars on that interval and the train was cut in the station , not the yard, at New Lots. 
Back then we had signals that alerted the M/M if there  any cars in the station as you approached. Just a few things that I observed over the years. The only time that I left Dyre on the  with less than 10 cars was Thanksgiving Day 1988 which was the last holiday I ever worked 😁. I had 6 cars. Carry on.

I actually rode a few  trains that were shortened, especially doing messenger work in 1980-'81 when I believe they were really short on trains due to many of them being unavailable for service.  Most of those trains were five cars.  This was before and after the infamous day in January 1981 when one-third of the entire fleet was unavailable due to cars having issues. 

I remember back in 1980 or so the used to be a half-length train (five cars) middays.  The old  would often be four cars then for example. 

4 hours ago, CenSin said:

They retroactively retconned the code to be orange. That means every prior discussion about the brown  is now orange.

What is weirder is the old teal  logo is there. 

Originally posted this in Random thoughts but I realized it also belongs in this thread: 
  

Just now, Wallyhorse said:

SEPTA in Philly is installing new turnstiles in the 69th Street station on the Market-Frankford Line in Upper Darby (just outside the city limits):

SEPTA needs to make these gates taller and lower so people can't jump or crawl underneath. Otherwise, these are the kind of turnstiles the needs to be installing at subway stations to cut down on fare beating. 

SEPTA in Philly is installing new turnstiles in the 69th Street station on the Market-Frankford Line in Upper Darby (just outside the city limits):

SEPTA needs to make these gates taller and lower so people can't jump or crawl underneath. Otherwise, these are the kind of turnstiles the needs to be installing at subway stations to cut down on fare beating. 

1 hour ago, Kamen Rider said:

Because the A, C and D sharing the downtown express track on CPW, there is no room.

 

and this Go is to supplement for the lack of the L in Manhattan, what good would 145 do for that?

Didn't realize CPW was also tied up.

The main purpose of the to 145 would have been to allow for an split between Astoria and 96/2 to allow for closer-to-normal service.  

19 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

 

Even with the  to 96 St/2 Av that weekend, maybe the  could join IF the  is having any more Brighton Line work done that could be piggybacked since 2 Av would be serviced by the  and  (in your hypothetical proposal).

even if it were to pass, you’d have two  branches each every 24 minutes, and a high likelihood for uneven service especially southbound.

Why not then do the to 145 and have the and half of the  both to 96th/2nd (trains not going to Astorita)?  That would solve both issues,

Long overdue.  They need to put in the kind of fare gates used by the PATCO system in Philly/South Jersey with the doors tall enough to avoid jumping and low enough to avoid crawling (also having them ADA compliant).  

14 hours ago, zacster said:

Maybe they are doing it for the auto show this time, but Hudson Yards is completely built up now, on the assumption that there would be subway service there.  To treat that station as just a tourist spot is selling them short.

Maybe the Auto Show promoters paid the to have the shuttle in place? 

3 hours ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

The 125th Street one was yesterday, so at the time it made it the second today. The  line one was fatal IINM. However as mentioned above, it is know the third today:

More details:

Part Suspended

disrupted in Brooklyn until at least 6:15 PM. holding in stations in Brooklyn. suspended between Bedford-Nostrand Avs and Church Av.

Emergency teams are assisting someone who was struck by a train near 4 Av-9 St.

No trains between 2 Av and Coney Island-Stillwell Av in both directions.

Northbound trains will run on the line from Coney Island-Stillwell Av to Broadway-Lafayette St.

Southbound trains will end at 2 Av.

Church Av-bound trains will end at Bedford-Nostrand Avs.

Alternatives

Transfer to buses near Jay St-MetroTech for service to skipped stations:

• For service to/from Bergen St and Carroll St, take B57 buses.
• For Smith-9 Sts, 4 Av-9 St, 7 Av, and 15 St-Prospect Park, take B61 buses.

Posted: 03/26/2024 05:51 PM

Couldn't they have run at least some trains to Essex-Delancey (on the )?  

17 hours ago, Reptile said:

Would it be possible to expand the World Trade Center terminal to 3 tracks to allow more service to run? Or is there too much infrastructure in the way?

What should have been done there was after 9/11, used that time to connect that part of the 8th Avenue line with the Montague line at Cortlandt-WTC, allowing for the to potentially continue to even 95th Street-Bay Ridge that way as that would have been straight through (possibly with cutting the back to City Hall as was the original plan of the Broadway Local back in the day and doing the required work on the lower level of City Hall).  You could have then possibly closed the platform at Chambers-WTC and instead had a tunnel leading to a transfer to the  at Chambers).  

On 3/16/2024 at 10:24 AM, Reptile said:

My finalized (no it's not) plan for the Second Avenue Line

from 125 St-Bway to Euclid Av. This will run via the tunnel after Hanover Sq that I posted about

( V ) from Bayside/Bell Blvd to Coney Island. This will run via the 63rd St tunnel to a new Northern Blvd line with the and an extended Franklin Ave shuttle called the ( K ). It will replace service in Brooklyn, which will operate to Williamsburg and Metropolitan Av.

( Y ) from Fordham University to Brighton Beach. This will run under 3rd Av in the Bronx with the and will be the only Express line on the SAS. Its main aim is to reduce crowding on the . It will replace service in Brooklyn, which will operate to Williamsburg and Jamaica (rush hours using a new third track to go straight from Bway Junction to Woodhaven and then to Jamaica)

Express stations will be 125 St, 72 St, 42 St, 14 St, Houston St, Grand St.

The is exactly as I would do it, except as noted it would be extended late nights to Lefferts to eliminate the late-night shuttle between there and Euclid (the would be the full-time express to Lefferts otherwise).  

I would have a , except this one would be a "black ( V )" that I have noted many times would run from Metropolitan Avenue to Coney Island with the current that also would be extended there as a second local on Brighton while the would become the express to Brighton (extended late nights and weekends to Coney Island).  This would be done via after Myrtle-Broadway on the current station, this ( V ) would be black run via a short stretch of a rebuilt portion of the old Myrtle El with Tompkins Avenue and a transfer point to the  most likely at Bedford-Nostrand before connecting to and absorbing the current Franklin Avenue Shuttle line with the stations rebuilt to two tracks and 600' stations (including Park Place on the current Franklin becoming two levels of single track if necessary)

The you proposed as I would do it would run as you suggested with the (Q), but along the full route of the old 3rd Avenue El (either elevated or as subway) to Gun Hill Road (if elevated, either coming in on a rebuilt lower level or a new upper level of that station) with the stations from the old line considerably consolidated from the past.  This as you suggest could serve as an express line.  

Your version of the  I would in this instance I'll use the  designation for could be the Queens branch of the SAS that would use the same lower level you would have your express tracks on, but would turn off at 79th Street to go to a new stop at York-1st Avenues on 79th and from there a new tunnel before continuing on a new route into Queens that would have it potentially wind up using the never-used upper level of Roosevelt Avenue (or a new lower level) and then run with the as you suggested.

I would also add extending the current  into the Bronx by adding a new station and potential yard at 21st Avenue, then continuing across the East River to the Bronx to Food Service Drive that would be the lone elevated stop on this line in The Bronx before going underground and include stations around East 180th on the  and Westchester/Elder Avenue on the  before ending at Jacobi Medical Center.  This would give people in the Bronx looking for Queens a way to do it without going into Manhattan first. 

On 3/13/2024 at 12:44 PM, zacster said:

I just tried again and there was actually one new post that showed up from Monday before it errored out.  That's as far as I could go.  But somebody actually got to post something.

I got it a week ago to where it tried to come back, but I saw no posts nor the ability to do even a test post.

I suspect it's down for good this time.

6 hours ago, BelieveinMe said:

Im wondering why they needed to rebuild an previously "rebuilt tracked" so thoroughly...

Much of that track (or at least the framework for that track) was originally laid down in the early 1970's and was/is over 50 years old.  There likely were some serious cracks and they had to go all the way to the foundation to get at those.
 

7 hours ago, Kamen Rider said:

the other issue is you’re cutting the QB locals off from the G without transferring multiple times.

as it is, the E and F do not fit into the 53rd street tube at full capacity. They had to cut back on some service to compensate.

I wasn't even thinking about the  other than possibly having to bring that back onto QBL late nights.  Yes, there are those who do transfer at Court Square to the and an running local would miss that.

Either you would need the  also running 24/7 or the as noted brought back onto QBL late nights. 

One small problem:

The as you would do it would skip Queens Plaza.  While many in Manhattan are with and one-block walk of the  or can transfer to the  from the at 34th or Queens Plaza, it still would for some be a considerable inconvience.

You also would have to likely make the a 24/7 line for it to work (with the remaining a local late-nights since one line would need to serve Queens Plaza and the local stations unless you want to late nights bring the back to QBL late nights).  

On 3/13/2024 at 8:13 PM, Calvin said:

* I don't mean to share everything I see constantly but this is for everyone's safety. 

Please be aware of strangers and your surroundings. This is a message as it's said not to play with fire but actually the case. 

This was just. plain. sick.

This as noted in the video actually happened on February 5.   Why he would throw cans of fire at anyone is anyone's guess. 

 

The person shot at Hoyt-Schermerhorn was shot with his own gun after brandishing it in a fight.

2 minutes ago, Wallyhorse said:

Not enough capacity for three full-time lines or that would be very appealing.  That's why I have it terminate at Canal Street on weekdays and weekday evenings, and then nights and weekends such an  is extended to Metropolitan Avenue to absorb the night and weekend shuttles.  As this  would be based out of East New York, there would be in-service yard runs from and to Broadway Junction that would be scheduled each day. 

My plan would be this, aside from this :

runs 71st-Continental to Whitehall Street, with some peak-hour trains ending and beginning at Canal Street (Tunnel level)

New "Yellow " runs from 9th Avenue or Bay Parkway on the  to Astoria to replace the there.  This would run as a 4th Avenue local via Montague to replace the  between Court Street and Canal Street for those wanting lower Manhattan from Broadway and would run at a maximum of 6-7 TPH.   

Accidentally hit send before I finished, resuming:

would run eventually from 125/Lenox or further west to Euclid Avenue, extended overnights to Lefferts Boulevard.  This would run via a new Remsen Street tunnel from likely Hanover Square, which would in Brooklyn have a stop around Court Street that would include transfers to the and current ( late nights) and as I would eventually have it my version of the  and "Yellow " at Court.  I would be looking to build this to at least Chatham Square even ahead of Phase 3 to it at least is running to lower Manhattan.  It would then come in on the unused local track at Hoyt-Schermerhorn and run as the Fulton Local.  In Manhattan, Seaport if possible also a transfer point between the and all trains in the Fulton complex,

and would both run express on Fulton at all times ( except late nights) to Lefferts (as noted replaced by the late nights) while the  is on a 4/3 split between Far Rockaway and Rockaway Park with either the only operating late nights from Broad Channel-Rockaway Park OR the running as a 6 TPH line late nights, equally split between Far Rockaway and Rockaway Park so one of the two branches runs every 20 minutes.