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I took another look at the presentation. Escalator testing is scheduled to finish on 12/9 at 72nd and 86th; 96th is already finished.

 

Fire alarm testing at 72nd and 86th is scheduled to finish on 12/15.

 

http://web.mta.info/mta/news/books/docs/Monthly-Update-SAS.pdf

(pgs 3 & 5 have the escalator testing information, pg 10 has the fire alarm testing information)

Thank you. Much appreciated.

Yes I think so. I'm on my phone right now but when I'm on my computer l'll take another look at it.

Translation: "Right after I down this next piece of pie ala-mode"

Liberty Ave was a dead zone. Salvage yards, garages, minor chemical factories and auto parts stores with some residential plots scattered in between. Back then Pitkin Ave was a wide one way running from east to west. Now that it's two-way, throwing a line on Pitkin would almost certainly get more ridership than the B12 did on Liberty. The connections to Q7/Q8 allows travel further east and south into Queens along Rockaway Blvd & 101st Ave respectively, the B13 going north/south and gives & some relief in case of delays and/or service outages. It might siphon off a few riders from B14 but not enough to increase headways along Sutter Ave. Instead of running it to Grant Ave, turn it south and connect it with B15 on Fountain. I believe there are possibilities and benefits to this east/west run.

For some reason I have the B103 going to this Canarsie Depot

B103 is an MTA Bus Division route out of Spring Creek. The visionary Canarsie Depot would move some NYCT routes from the ENY (and possibly a couple from FP & GA) depot to Canarsie.

The most recent MTA docs say testing will finish on December 15th, so if they meet that deadline, this won't be an issue

Testing on the completely installed elevators & escalators and safety systems?

Those short turns on the B12 are becoming more common now & there is certainly something to it.....

 

No question the B60 would perform better out of ENY than out of Grand.... Grand av depot is where routes go to go to shit!

The route that runs the best out of that depot, is a route with coverage headways...

 

I would not put a bus back on Liberty though... Wouldn't put a bus on Pitkin either (and it would have nothing to do with the )...

Way I see bus service in that immediate area, the "void" (if you will) lies in between Penn & the B13... The Q24 currently sees ridership it likely wouldn't because of it..... I mean, there are riders taking Q24's to B'way Junction (within Brooklyn, I'm talkin about) instead of walking up to the ....

 

It won't happen, but w/o question, the B84 would see at least double (which isn't saying much, considering how much usage the route currently garners) the ridership if it ran up to one of the stations....

 

To your last point.... I wouldn't create a new route running b/w ENY depot & City line.... What I would like to see happen though is a city line - (Flatbush) Junction bus route....

It's not a pressing need to have an additional east/west route, which is probably one of the reasons the B12 was pulled back from Liberty/Sheriden to ENY Depot. It's a public convenience MTA doesn't see the need to pay for, but it would be nice to have.

The thing about a north/south route btn the Penn Ave/Crescent St void...there aren't even a handful of streets that can cross the Atlantic Ave divider. Logan St is one, Miller Ave is another (and maaaybeee Van Siclen) but usually in order to "cross" Atlantic Ave cars (and bold truck drivers) make use of a couple of U-turns along Atlantic. I'm not sure if there're any others crossing over than those.

About your idea of the B84's northern terminal, would you eliminate the route to New Lots      for a straight shot to the Crescent St   station via Fountain/Flatlands/Crescent, or keep the New Lots connection then continuing on to Crescent via New Lots/Logan/Fulton? Or perhaps you have another station in your cross hairs.

Finally, how would you route a line btn Grant/Liberty and Flatbush/Nostrand? Would it serve Gateway Mall or bypass it altogether?

The southern tracks of the Manhattan Bridge have been severed from Chambers Street during the Chrystie Street connection. As part of that work, the southern tracks on the bridge were realigned with Canal Street. The north tracks go up Chrystie. In order to reconnect it, you would have to build a flat junction with the and

Exactly. I was just about to say the same. You beat me to it.

With the so-many miscues between East New York and Grand Avenue a lot of these routes are really underperforming.

If the B60 went back to ENY I think it would perform better than the current at GA. Also, while we're on the subject of East NY Avenue being a short turn. 1. that's rare, and 2 I saw a B12 signed up for East New York Avenue while traveling in Flatbush yesterday.

 

Next, while traveling down liberty Avenue last night there needs to be some form of bus service in that section of ENY. if not Liberty, but on Pitkin. Perhaps have a shuttle between ENY Depot and Sheridan/Grant Avenue. Simular to the Spring Creek shuttle.

 

Thoughts.....

B10 btn BWJ & Grant Ave Sta. via Pitkin Ave.

To Grant Ave: From Van Sinderen Ave, left on Fulton to ENY Ave, right on ENY to Junius, left on Junius to Pitkin, left on Pitkin to Grant Ave, left on Grant to .

To BWJ: Grant Ave to Glenmore Ave, right on Glenmore to Forbell St, right on Forbell to Pitkin, right on Pitkin to Powell St, right on ENY Ave to Broadway, left on Bway to Van Sinderen, left to .

I chose the backdoor in and out of BWJ to avoid the Rocky Horror Picture Show ENY/Jamaica/Pennsylvania/JRP free flow jam session. I tried to figure an angle using Fulton St to avoid the bus pit on Van Sinderen but the ENY/Atlantic Ave/Eastern Pkwy triangle makes efficiency virtually impossible.

Hey fam, yo peeps an my peeps don't run in the same circles but we ain't got beef, no grief...feel me? Back in the day we roll 30 deep, now peep dis on the low, so you know...one monkey don't stop no show. Ayre.

That's my crowd. I lived at 33 Gold for five years and have many friends who live at 2 Gold and the former NYU dormitory on Water Street. It's a hoppin' spot of which most New Yorkers remain unaware; they still hold that antiquated Financial-District-as-ghost-town-at-night memory. With the WTC, it's only growing, and my friend in FiDi real estate confirms it.

Man you and your peeps damsho know how to party. About 2 months back I picked up two fab femmes at Maiden and Water, took them to a club on Center btn Broome & Kenmare. By sheer luck I caught them again about an hour later on Delancey near Ludlow. Now there were 4 of them(!) headed to Berry & N. 11th in the Burg, another late night spot for the Gennys. You get down like that?

For the Queens depot: If the MTA caught it in time.. The UPS Facility on Springfield and Merrick would of been a good candidate

 

For Brooklyn on the other hand.

1) perhaps by Floyd Bennett Field.

2) Canarsie- Foster Avenue between E.99th-E.104th.

Next to UPS Canarsie.

 

Those are the 2 that popped over my head.

Floyd Bennett Field? Probably the KP routes and the Q35 would go there

Canarsie? It's 99 to 105 by the . Maybe the routes that serve Rockaway Pkwy Station

In Canarsie on the w/s/o Bank St btn Foster & Ave D there are two bldgs. The southern most bldg (Bldg Two) is where TP Transportation Access-A-Ride used to house their vehicles until they went OOB. Seems like a good location. Linden Blvd is to the north, Pennsylvania Ave is to the east, Rockaway Ave/Pkwy is to the west, Flatlands Av is south.

The (as a rebranded ) would siphon off any riders headed to Lower Manhattan, leaving the with more space for midtown commuters. Personally, I think it would be better to send the all the way to Essex Street, but I understand that the current arrangement of the station could complicate that.

 

I think some users on this forum are underestimating just how popular a destination Lower Manhattan is, and it will only increase in popularity. It's important to keep in mind just how much office space will be added with a completed World Trade Center. Also, three conjoined shopping malls (Westfield World Trade Center, Brookfield World Financial Center, and Westfield's Fulton Center) account for the largest shopping complex in NYC. If that wasn't enough, the Seaport is being rebuilt into a larger complex than had existed before, and even 28 Liberty Street (One Chase Manhattan Plaza) will become a mall. The residential population may have tripled since 9/11, but the majority of workers in these shopping complexes likely wouldn't be able to afford the new rents (I certainly couldn't). Despite the naysayers, FiDi is hot and only getting hotter. It's no longer a ghost town at night, thanks to Pace University, Fulton Street, Stone Street, and the Seaport.

 

I also predict that Bay Ridge and Flushing will explode in population once it gets too expensive to live elsewhere.

I drive a yellow for 18 straight hours from 930AM Saturday to 530AM Sunday. Even after 1 in the morning there's activity along the Gold St corridor from Ann to Maiden Ln. I bring fares from MPD to FIDI often. There seems to be something jumping off at 2 Gold all the time. I usually get a fare along Water St going to LES around Orchard, Ludlow, Delancey, Rivington. From MPD to LES, FIDI seems to be the lynchpin.

It'd be cool to have an 11, if only because having a rapper named Jay-Z would probably lead to some dipshit calling themselves 7-11.

I just tend to be more of a realist...

I completely understand, and in no way was my comment criticizing or belittling you (or anyone else).

It would be like the Simpsons without their neighbor the Flanders’.

Leave the , , , , , and trains as is. There's no need to mess up any present-day service that would likely lead to chaos among straphangers...

Wallyhorse is well known for his bursts of inspiration. His colorful and vivid imagination allows for levity to impinge upon this forum of serious knowledge, blended with dashes of stoicism. NYCTForums would be reduced a noticeable measure with his absence.

People from Rockaways could just take Q35 to Brooklyn Avenue U stop and transfer to B3 for Brighton line stop on Avenue U.

Q44SBS' proposal combines the B1, B3 & Q35. Nothing really changes for the folks coming from 4th Ave eastward along Ave U except now they don't need to transfer btn B1 & 3, it's one route. The people coming from Queens? Now they'd have to crawl along Ave U to E 16th St, instead of straight up Flatbush to Nostrand only stopping twice. Much better chance of getting a subway seat at Flatbush and they have their choice of east or west side Manhattan without having to transfer as they would at the Ave U stop(s). Plus, what about the areas s/o Ave U serviced by B1 and e/o Flatbush by B3?

Robbing Peter & Paul to give Mary a lift to a place she might want to go is not my idea of a good proposal.

Taking service from Gravesend, Brighton, Manhattan Beach, Mill Basin & Bergen Beach to provide service for an entirely different borough, not to mention denying riders from Belle Harbor a one seat ride to the ...

It's going to get it as part of train mitigation works, the only question is when.

It'll be quite a party on those Saturdays when 3rd, 6th or 8th Aves hold their multiple festivals in the summer n/o 14th St from morning to evening.

What if the had service to Lefferts Blvd?

Using the current time schedules of the Far Rock , Rock Pk , , btn Broad Channel & Rock Park, set up an service to/from Lefferts with the Lefferts  so those folks along Liberty Ave can't complain about not having a one seat ride.

 

Here's little bit of help: the first from Manhattan arrives at Euclid Ave at 624AM. Would this be the first to Lefferts? The first from Euclid leaves at 557AM. Your trains can come from Linden Yard, 174th St or 207.

 

I realize this is a tough challenge. It will take patience and schedule coordinating skil. For encouragement, I tried doing this about a month ago just for fun. It was tough! Yet I'm sure many of you know more than I do. Can you get it done?

I removed peak service from the OP

Had to remove most of the letter emotes in order for the post to be allowed

Lefferts Blvd : First A leaves Lefferts at 524AM (local to 207) then 545 (express to 207) [2 trains from Linden Yard]. The next A is from 207, arriving at 556AM and leaves at 606AM. Regular A

departures are btn 622AM & 821AM. Afterwards, service only from Lefferts to 168.

Lefferts Blvd : arrives at Lefferts from 168th at 635AM and departs at 638AM, arriving at Euclid at 650AM. The first C from Linden yard leaves Euclid Ave at 557AM. After 644AM most trains arriving at Euclid will be from Lefferts with fill-ins from Linden and occasional turnarounds at Euclid from 168th for scheduling purposes. The last C departs from Lefferts at 920PM arriving at Euclid at 933PM

btn 1220AM & 503AM to Euclid Ave.

Far Rockaway A: runs 24/7.

Rockaway Park A: M-F weekday service btn 638AM & 649PM btn Rock Pk & 168/207

S btn Rock Pk & Broad Chnl 24/7 approximately every 10-20 mins.

So here's the NB schedule to Manhattan after 655AM at Euclid Ave:

A from Lef 659AM

C from Lef 703AM

A from Rock Pk 705AM

A from Far Rock 709AM

A from Lef 715AM

C from Lef 719AM

A from FR 721AM

A from RP 726AM

A from Lef 731

A From FR 734

C from Lef 735

A from Lef 742

A From FR 744

C from Lef 745

A from RP 746

A from FR 749

A from Lef 749

C from Lef 757

A from FR 759

A from Lef 801

A from RP 805

C from Lef 806

A from FR 808

A from Lef 810

A from FR 813

A from RP 817

C from Lef 819

A from FR 821

A from RP 824

A from Lef 829

A from FR 833

C from Lef 837

A from RP 841

A from FR 8444

C from Lef 847

A from RP 849

A from FR 856

C from Lef 858

A from RP 903

C from Lef 908

A from FR 912

C from EUC 918

A from RP 823

C from Lef 928

A from FR (936

C from Lef 938

A from RP 943

C from EUC 948

A from FR 953

Every 5 mins until evening rush

Lefferts Blvd:

First A to Lefferts leaves 168th at 410PM, arriving at Lefferts 515PM, starting regular service to Lefferts until 110AM

Last C to Lefferts leaves Euclid at 902PM, arriving at Lefferts 915PM

S btn 1220AM & 503AM to Euclid Ave.

Far Rockaway A: runs 24/7.

Rockaway Park A: M-F weekday service btn 638AM & 649PM btn Rock Pk & 168/207

Last A to Rockaway Park leaves Euclid Ave at 619PM

S btn Rock Pk & Broad Chnl 24/7 approximately every 10-20 mins.

Here's the SB schedule from Manhattan after 450PM at Euclid Ave:

A to FR 452PM

C to Lef 455PM

A to RP 459PM

A to Lef 503PM

C to Lef 507

A to FR 509

A to RP 514

C to Lef 517

A to FR 522

A to Lef 528

C to Lef 529

A to FR 533

C to Lef 536

A to RP 538

A to Lef 542

C to Lef 544

A to FR 547

A to Lef 550

A to FR 552

C to Lef 553

A to Lef 557

A to RP 6PM

A to FR 603

C to Lef 604

A to Lef 608

A to FR 611

C to Lef 613

A to Lef 615

A to RP 619

C to Lef 622

A to FR 625

A to Lef 629

Every 3-5 mins until 830PM

C to Lef 833

A to Lef 836

C to Lef 842

A to FR 844

C to Lef 853

A to Lef 854

A to FR 901

C to Lef 902

A to Lef 908

C to EUC 914

A to FR 916

A to Lef 925

C to EUC 934

A to FR 935

C to EUC 942

A service every 10-14 mins to Lefferts-Far Rockaway until 109AM

I was just reading about the SEPTA transit strike, and I was wondering:

 

What happens if all of the MTA and Port Authority workers went on strike.

 

How bad would traffic be?

How bad? There would be fist fights on the streets, on bridges and in tunnels. There would be betting pools to see if you could get to work without a mark on you. Here's a perfect imagery: the movie Escape from New York!

So, once and for all, does the run express between Times Square and Canal or Herald Square and Canal? Different sources say different things.

According to the individual map the runs local 24/7 btn 57th & Canal. First lower level train arrives at Canal 558AM. Based on that info the answer is no.

Makes little/no sense to have 3 locals. Something's off.

Why would both Peak & Fulltime operate from Lefferts Blvd around same time?

In the past when the ran to Lefferts replacing the  you could hear the screams from Woodhaven to Ozone Park about not having a one seat ride to Manhattan in the morning. 

I realize Transit would probably never implement what I'm proposing. It's just a what if scenario to test your scheduling skills; something different than the apocalyptic 'what ifs' that regularly show up here. Call it a what if for grownups. Instead of terrorist attacks or nature's tragedies tearing s#it down, how about one proposal that really makes you use your brain? Ain't no fun in that though. It's asking too much.

You two have no courage!

What if the had service to Lefferts Blvd?

Using the current time schedules of the Far Rock , peak service Rock Pk , , btn Broad Channel & Rock Park, set up a peak service to/from Lefferts with the Lefferts  so those folks along Liberty Ave can't complain about not having a one seat ride.

Here's little bit of help: the first from Manhattan arrives at Euclid Ave at 624AM. Would this be the first to Lefferts? The first from Euclid leaves at 557AM. Your trains can come from Linden Yard, 174th St or 207.

I realize this is a tough challenge. It will take patience and schedule coordinating skil. For encouragement, I tried doing this about a month ago just for fun. It was tough! Yet I'm sure many of you know more than I do. Can you get it done?

I think someone should start a thread where posters post their incidents dealing with long gaps in service and/or any BusTime screenshots of such and find some way to present said material to higher ups within the agency. We need to call for change as transit hobbyists.

Like they say at the beginning of the Grand Prix..."Gentlemen start your engines".

Go for it J