Lennyj17

 

The problem is with the M7 - they're not gonna boost M20 service & extend M10's back southward because M7's bunch.....

 

1) Where would you end M10's or M104's around Penn? That's the problem....

Can't put it back over there along W. 31st st. where the M10 used to end....

 

2) ...and how exactly would you streamline the M7 ?

 

I didn't know 31st Street was blocked off, couldn't they use 33rd street? ....still doesn't diminish the fact that the M20 needs more reliable help along 7 AV...Its funny the Old M10 was a longer route than the M7, yet the old M10 was much more reliable and more of an assist to the M20 than the M7 currently is, why because the M10 was much more streamlined and straight doesn't have all the twist and turns that the M7 has uptown.

Which leads me to ask what is the purpose of the M7 really...if you look at the map its clearly just a supplemental route to other routes...There isn't one part of the M7 route where its the lone route that would create a dependency for it...

If it were me I would switch the M7 and the M3 north of the park. Have the M7 cover Manhattan/St Nick Aves to 168th (current M2 Term), Send the M3 up Lenox directly from CPN to current M1/M7/M102 term. and Extend the M2 from 168 to 191st (the current M3 term)

This would make the M7 much more reliable and straight not causing it to be totally useless to anyone below 72nd Street. Plus I think this works better for the M3 and M2 as well.

They need to bring the M10 back downtown to Penn Station...the M20 cannot handle it alone and it's headways are to far apart. The M7's seem to bunch insanely (M7 covers way too much ground uptown IMO need needs to be straighten and streamlined)....

It's funny because you will wait 20 mins along 7 AV, then a crushloaded M20 will come followed by half-dozen empty M7s (the Gang of M7s seems to always come behind the overcrowded M20).

If not the M10 return, then send the M104's to Penn....The M20 only need the extra help down to Penn beyond there the M20 and the unreliable M7 pretty much gets the job done.

Wasn't there rumors that the Q8 was going to SC?

SC will be getting another batch of C40lfs to push out the hybrids. Those hybrids could end up at JFK.

3611-3632, 3635 will transfer form sc to JFK or back to LGA ?

3521-3522 still at JFK

3523, 3638-3639 still at BP

 

The additional C40's will also be sending SC's O5's to their final resting grounds.

I'm not really the one that asks these types of questions, so excuse any ignorance on my part.

 

Looking at the Q60, would it be more convenient to have it be based off Baisley Park Depot, as opposed to JFK Depot? I'm asking this question because it seems, to me, that it's an inconvenience to drive buses all the way from JFK, when Baisley is a lot closer to the Q60 terminal.

 

It should, but I don't know if BP has the capacity or equipment to handle the Q60.....to add the Q60, BP would need another 30-40 units, I don't think they'd have the space for that if they were giving the additional equipment. Move the Q112 to JFK, and the Q110 to QV then BP could take the Q60.

Damn this is like a Science to figure this sh*t out.....trying to make 2+2 = 5

How much longer until the Overhauled RTSs are in play....they'll most likely all go to BP and some to JFK

SC and CP have a smaller fleet compared to JG. Why would you complicate things just so you can have 2 types of buses when you can just give SC and CP both 1 type of bus? I believe average fleet age applies the the entire fleet and not just the locals vs express. IIRC.

 

You don't see it, but think about it from a maintenance perspective: if a depot has ~60-150 vs one that has about 300, would it make sense to have the ~100 bus depot carry 2 types compared to the one that has 300?

So I stand by my point: keep the O7s with WF and JG, give SC and CP the C40lfs. I mean why SC still has the hybrids makes no sense to me when it would be better off to just make their whole local fleet CNGs and send the hybrids to CP so they can make the eventual routes swap with LGA simple.

 

OK but WF and SC have C40's as well....so all 4 depots already have simlar fleets....again having BOTH styles of buses at all 4 depots gives the MTA more flexibility with exchanging fleets.

Not to mention SC is already experienced with CNG and OGs, so the training of CNG OGs should be Minimal there.

I agree the OG hybrids should be moved to JFK, LGA or BP...and they are moving out when the new order of C40's arrive.

You may stand by your point, but its not a very good case, for keeping CP and SC to one style of bus, its does nothing but constrain the MTA options.

wait you're not making any sense on one hand you say its OK for CP and SC to be depots of 1 type of local fleet...but JG should not?

also giving CP and SC more 4500's doesn't balance out their Local Fleet, they'd still be all C40's...

I don't see what the problem is sending some CNG OGs to SC and CP...to have both types of CNG models at all 4 depots.

JG can't lose all of their Orion's anyway. If WF gives them their 54 NF C40's then 54 Orion VII CNG's have to go to WF. Then JG still needs to get rid of the remaining 20 old New Flyers plus enough for them not to be short. If CP loses the Q19,Q38 and Q66 the 44 New Flyers should be enough. The fleet at CP and SC are going to be very young so they may need to take some older buses to balance it out some.

 

I always thought CP and SC should get some CNG OG's....This way not only is the fleet balanced but all CNG depots are experienced with both CNG fleets and all buses can be interchangeable between the 4 depots.

Me a moderator? That I am not. I was just asking everyone to stop the nonsense thats all. On a seperate note, ECH depot has 3 new arrivals. They are: 6130, 6253, and 6328. They should be ready to enter service soon.

 

I wonder what the reason all these O5's are going to ECH for....they have more than enough buses to cover the Bx23 and Q50....Are they planning to increase service again? or just giving them a stockpile?

So the Q50 is a mix of Orion V CNG's C40LF's and Orion V's interesting.

 

When does CP run the Q50 now?..... every time I've taken it, it's been 100% ECH....I Like it better when it was mostly at CP

The end of the RTS is the Bronx once again.....I wonder if this is truly the end since WF is pretty much set on buses and no longer need to borrow RTS from storage...

I never really understood why ECH switched from O5's to RTS to begin with....and now their back to O5's

1. EVERY bus that has a DDS50 gets hot at the rear, that's a given. Moot point.

 

Come on, nearly every DD50 bus in the fleet is like that, even the hybrids on certain runs like the S89 after the long run over Bayonne Bridge, the LSFAs on the M60s etc.

 

You was reaching with that point dude.

 

Do they get so hot that people would rather stand then sit in the back row....I have seen crowded Q111/113's with empty back row seats because they feel like your literally sitting your ass right on the engine.

Fellas I have to post this forgive my rant here, East New York, and or Caitsith please do not delete, Im am getting quite annoyed with this "scrap the Bee Line nonsense". They are regular Orion 5s just like the 600s etc. When the MTA feels like retiring them they will do so. Its just that WCBL took much better care of them thats all. As to what will replace them. I am not authorized to release that info. At this time, please understand. Im sorry. Thanks.

 

Except when I ride around CS's 600's I'm not:

- Feeling every bump in the Road due to horrible shocks

- The back row of seats being overly hot because of the heat from the engine

- AC's that barely blow any air

- People that don't know how to use the Rear Doors...

- Very Slow take offs

- Don't have the feeling like the Bus is gonna friggin fall a part in the middle of street

- Seat Cushions on the Floor and Ripped

The Bees were built for SUBURBAN USE NOT THE CITY and their Struggle shows it....

The whole point of buying them was it was a bunch of buses for cheap and the idea was to use them for maybe 2-5yrs. It was a good plan, the problem is that they should've gone to depots that do better jobs at maintaining older buses as opposed to places with bad/less experience with them.

 

I'm sorry but the Ex BL's just were not meant for the City Street and Workloads......MJQ couldn't keep those things in pristine shape...

They're done they need to go, either pull some RTS out of storage, send over the 600 series O5's or send over some D60HF's instead of retiring them. But the Bees have GOT TO GO! NOW!

There are 3 new arrivals to the LGA depot. They are: 8798, 8855, and 9085. Also ECH now has 6010, 6012, 6019, 6021, and 6027 There is a 6th 6000 At ECH at this time I do not have the # of it Im sorry.

 

I wonder if the BX is about to become RTS-less once again, if ECH is going back to all O5's??????

Where else can you catch a C40LF, RTS, LFSA, D60HF, O5, and O7 all on the same line at once???:cool:

BX36....

Please send BP some RTS to get rid of those Ex-BL's....I feel like those things are going to just fall apart in the middle of Guy Brewer Blvd any day now...

So now we need a RTS on the M7 and all will be grand!

RTS back at MHV, wow

I would love to see an RTS on the M1 or M7 - I can't remember the last time an RTS was seen on these Orion exclusive lines.....