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The N19,36,45,54/55 will also be eliminated. Also,the Rockville Ctr. depot will be shut down entirely.
N36, N45 makes sense. But N54/55? Really? If you're going to go that far, things like the N57, N1, and N21 should come first. Also exploring the idea of transferring the N33 to the City of Long Beach.
They supposedly have APC data, so decisions really should be made on a trip and segment basis. But that takes time, and I'm not sure how much scheduling staff they have.
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Artics coming to n4/n6, delivery in Feb/March '17.
http://nicebus.com/Passenger-Information/TAAC-minutes-for-September-2016.aspx
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Haven't been up on NICE lately..... What's MMS?
MMS = Mercy Medical Shuttle
RCS = RVC Shuttle
HWS = Hicksville-Wantagh Shuttle
FPS = Freeport Shuttle
ELF = Elmont Flexi
Blue shaded blocks = ARBOC vehicles
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How's ridership on the RVC shuttle? Can't be much better than the old n14...even with the lower costs of a minibus I don't see how it's more cost effective than say, the n50. Similar route, same service, smaller bus is not going to attract any more riders than before.
Same for the Freeport shuttle, though that hasn't started yet so we don't know the ridership.
The n73 had decent enough ridership that with a smaller bus I think it should be workable. The n80 and n81 should be using the smaller buses on Saturdays, if the n80 is even worth running then.
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It looks like they cut the schedules really tight, with the intention that not all the flexi stops would actually be made (Hopefully the bus will leave the terminal a little late if nobody reserved those Flexi stops, so it doesn't leave early from the following timepoint, especially heading southbound)
I put together the September interlining sheet (upload soon)...and those 2-3 minute turns are ridiculous, even though it's 11%.
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Key points:
- n2/n8 coming back as "Flexibuses" - demand response. On demand stops would include some stops originally on the regular route, plus new locations such as Northwell Franklin Hospital
- Demand response requests are to be made through the AbleRide call center - call center capacity issues were raised by rider advocates
- "In another first, NICE plans to bring back eliminated routes in RVC, Freeport, and Wantagh-Hicksville" as 'community shuttles' that would pick up and drop off riders at stops during peak hours, but be used exclusively for door-to-door Able-Ride service for the disabled during middays and evenings"
That last one is interesting. Obviously they're referring to n14, n62, n73. The second half of the sentence though essentially means ordinary Able-Ride service. I think it's just a clever way of saying "we're just restoring peak service and expanding the Able-Ride coverage area".
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NICE has said they still had a $3M budget gap though - wouldn't this just go to fill the holes?
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I also notice they still list transfers to the n80/81 at Sunrise on the new map (and also ignore the n55 transfer at Amityville)
The S90 schedule still thinks Center Moriches is open on the LIRR Montauk Branch.
I assume TransitDocs is your website? How did you create the interlining chart?
Just using the GTFS feed and Excel.
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I was afraid NICE was going keep the bad routing on the n19 to/from the mall. Nope, they made it worse! I didn't even think that was possible. I've been a big advocate for NICE but boy did they eff this one up. ....They kept the portion of the route ti the mall where the bus lost the most amount of time and picked up the least amount of passengers. The riders would have been much better off axing the n19 to Sunrise mall and routing the bus to Amityville RR via either Clocks Blvd. or County Line Rd.. Actually the n19 would have been better just eliminating the Sunrise Mall years ago as it takes about as much time to get to the mall and back to Merrick as it does to get from the Amityvile/Massapequa border to Babylon. Problem solved! Seriously, have those who decided to terminate the n19 at the Mall and dedcided to keep the messed up routing to/from the mall ever ridden the n19?
The mall's a ridership generator, so it has to be served - are you saying they should've routed it up County Line Road and across Louden St instead?
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The n31/32 and n48/49 are now separate routes on the web schedule site...how confusing. And the n48 page no longer shows Jericho Quad.
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Why does the n79 run down Plainview Road? I don't think I've ever seen anyone take the bus from any stop between New South Road and E Marie St. Now that the n81 is gone it should probably run that way...yes it's a little added distance but it shouldn't add all that much runtime...
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Looks like they took your advice about the n45 a little too soon.....I don't see a schedule for it on their schedule changes page.
Because the schedule isn't changing. The old one stays.
Is that $5.39 cost per passenger or subsidy per passenger? They did halve midday service, so that would drop the number a lot. They also tightened the turns a lot.
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I figured that was the reason. I shudder to think about what they'll cut next. Already, they're almost down to the same level the MTA was at before NICE came in. (The only routes that have remotely low-ridership that are left are the n36, n47, n57, and maybe the n78). After that, you're basically at the same level the MTA was at when they were ready to cut the entire n19, n33, n54/55, n58, and n79. Unless they had some other motivation behind the n20/21 split that they're not letting on.
In terms of what's next, this is all that's left within reason:
- n45
- n47 (not sure what to do about Front St service...divert some n70/71 trips?)
- n21 (keep same headway on Northern Blvd)
- n36
- n57
- n70 east of SUNY Farmingdale
- n58 north of USMMA (only a few minutes, but every dollar counts)
- n48 Jericho Quad shuttles
- n24 RFM-East Meadow
Even if the n57 is efficient, I doubt it covers its variable operating costs, so cutting it would still save $, though less per passenger than some other routes.
n78: The ridership on this route is almost completely reverse peak (the peak direction buses only carry a handful), and the timing of the PM trips allows it to act as a relief for the n79. Short turning it at Manetto Hill is one option, though I can't think of a good layover location...the heavy stops are Morton Village and the hospital.
Some sort of restructuring of the Nassau Hub area might be in order in terms of which routes serve which of the 4 centers.
How does the n1 do south of Green Acres? I can't imagine it doing terribly well.
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NICE has released the schedules on their website. The n20 and n21 finally got separate schedules. The n20Hicksville runs 30mins during weekdays and hourly on weekends while the n20Great Neck runs every 15-20minutes.
http://www.nicebus.com/Passenger-Information/Schedule-Changes.aspx
The split n20/n21 schedule is going to get confusing - Great Neck-Roslyn riders, of which there are many, now have to refer to two schedules back and forth.
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Setzer said at the meeting that the positions would be eliminated through attrition, without layoffs.Also, what will the operators who currently work on the soon-to-be eliminated routes do? Will they just be on standby, or what?
Given that turnover is pretty quick, I can't imagine this taking forever - it's only a small handful FTEs. He cited a number but I don't remember it.
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Was the n50 empty after crossing Hempstead Turnpike?
No - since we followed behind an n49, that was practically the peak load point. The most common destination was Bellmore, around half of those 13 riders were going there.
Edit: to clarify, that's 13 total boardings, not 13 people out of Hicksville.
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Rode the n50 this morning from (7:30am out of Hicksville). 13 passengers, ex-Foothill bus (they ride really well!). We followed an n49 so local traffic got on that.
The n2, n8, and n81 are on every discontinuation list NICE has put out, even those on the buses which say that n46 trips are becoming n47's. So I'm really starting to doubt what Hound said about them remaining.
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The transfer is good for one zone on the HBLR.
So despite the $2.25 HBLR fare it's still a one zone transfer. Got it.
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I believe more people rode the bus in those areas back then than now. It would be incredibly ridiculous to have so much service like that if there weren't riders.
The map compared to today looks like a better integrated Nassau bus system, despite the letter designations and the giant loop, as well as some connectivity issues here and there. These bus routes probably did have ridership before, but have been slowly cut as more people decided to use their cars. Ridership in that area has been low for a pretty long while, ever since the early 1990's, but at this point, there's no more money left to subsidize these routes.
Another question is what type of vehicles they used on those routes - a lot of those streets are very tight if not impassable for a 40' bus, and they haven't narrowed over the past few decades.
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What was the old N77 I'm seeing on this map from 40 years back?
http://i62.tinypic.com/286y4g5.jpg
The other half of the map is here: http://i58.tinypic.com/hu0p7d.jpg If you don't get how extensive the old N36 was...
It's amazing how much service they were able to sustain back then east of the Wantagh Parkway. I wonder how they did, it's not like most of the area was more dense then than it is now...
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Fare question: if I ride a local bus and then transfer to the HBLR, is it just the local fare + 75 cent transfer fee on the bus, or is there some sort of upcharge involved since HBLR's not a 1 zone fare?
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Random Thoughts Thread - Nassau Inter-County Express (NICE)
in Nassau Inter-County Express
Posted · Edited by Amtrak7
Some numbers for the original January proposal:
With Freeport, RVC, Mercy running at similar service levels, those are some severe ridership drops!
I'm honestly not happy that they couldn't pass the January cuts. Think about the possible outcomes now: