T to Dyre Avenue

Agree that there's no need to retrofit the R142s with FINDs for when they're reasigned to the . About the only thing you can do with the is reroute a local train onto the express track. You can't even reroute a downtown onto the line without doing a reverse move, not that there would be any reason to do that to an in-service train.

IRT.....grew up with them when I lived in Harlem and The Bronx......Southern BMT is cool....great photo ops especially and IND is ok!

So did I, and that's why I'm not so fond of the IRT, with the exception of the line between Dyre Avenue and East 180th Street. But when I first read about the MTA's plan to convert the Dyre Avenue Line to B-Division clearances and connect it to the SAS, I was in favor of that plan. I'm still in favor of it. That's why my handle is "(T) to Dyre Avenue".

IRT FTW!!

They dont take as long as BMT/IND lines on the weekends.

Take the or train on the weekend. If you do, you'll dislike the IRT as much as I do.

Toss-up between BMT and IND for me. Can't stand the IRT lines. Small, squarish trains, giant, pushy crowds and way less variety in the types of subway cars used. Every IRT subway car fleet from R15 to R36 had the same overall look, while the post-R30 fleets varied in appearance. Large, left-side front rollsigns and stainless steel didn't run on A-Division rails until 1983 when the R62s first came in the scene.

It is a shame the IRT tunnels couldn't be widened...

 

would be better off if it ran B-division cars. Main issue is the stienway tubes.

Agree with you about those Steinway Tubes, especially after that recent flood that knocked out service. A more permanent solution is needed. New, wider tunnels would be great. Not cheap, but it's better than having to shut the current tunnels down to waterproof them again and again. And they could run B-Division cars on the Flushing Line. That would eliminate the roundabout yard moves that currently have to be done to transfer A-Division cars to and from Corona.

Look at the . It could have gone farther into Manhattan than Times Square... it was smart of the City to use BMT specs for the R-series.

Or further into northeast Queens. But God forbid the MTA from even considering it.

Also, Corona Yard couldn't service the R142s in 2000 when they were new because its barn hadn't been upgraded to handle them. That has since been done and Corona can maintain the 142s now. I figured the R62As currently on the were going to be there temporarily when they started transferring them there in late 2002.

Well said! ES riders rode Redbirds and grafitti-strewn cars on the for decades and all that time they never made a big deal over it. Why would it be any different now if they got the 62As back? At least this time around, the would be 100% R62As, unlike the split-fleet of 62As and Redbirds that ran there for much of the 80s and 90s.

This is very bad

Really? Why?

He was talking about the R-62A's will be changed from Purple to Yellow(decals).

Honestly I think the 62A's should go to the and bump the 62's to the which will bump several NTT's to the .But we'll see.

I know. But there's no need to change the decals because the MTA has largely abandoned the practice of placing color-coded yard decals under the car number plates. If they haven't, then the R142s would have those decals. But they don't.

There's also no need to shift the R62As back to the and the slightly older R62s back to the . The current and assignments are fine the way they are.

They will change them back to yellow, If I was In Charge I would send the singles back to the instead, Have their R62's return to the

Not necessarily. The R142s don't have the colored yard decals and the R62s kept their orange Jerome Yard decals when they were transferred from the to the . So why go through the time-consuming process of putting new colored decals on the R62As when they go back to the ?

I really wish this move wasn't happening. I think that the really should be buying all new cars for the if they really need to have new trains on that line and not do this retrofit stuff they are about to do to the R142A's but shit's already going underway and we the passengers are gonna have to pay for it. While the R62A's going back to the isn't the worst thing in the world, I think it's unnecessary. Hell I think the whole CBTC stuff is unnecessary, but that's just me. It is what it is and while I don't like what's about to happen, I accept it.

 

Oh and you are fooling yourself if you think you are going to get a railfan window just becasue the R62A's are coming back to the . Just thought I'd add that in.

Agreed. I'm almost certain the T/O's and C/R's will want a full width-cab so they have enough room to do their jobs safely and so that conductors won't have to move between cars for line stations where the doors open on the left. I would also prefer to see new cars on the because it presents an opportunity to look into buying subway cars longer than 51 feet.

If the buys 4 to 5 hundred new cars for the , then were are the 400 R62A's gonna go.... either if they retired themselves or retired the R62s, its a waste of money to replace cars good running cars

Like PATH is doing with its PA4 cars, which are actually newer than the R62s? They are replacing their entire fleet with the new PA5 cars. At least if the MTA were to buy new cars for the , it would present a chance for them to test the (7)'s tunnels to see if they can handle longer subway cars.

some of the platform dont go as far as 600ft on the line.When the R62s were first delieverd they thought about making it 4 ft longer,but all of the IRT lines couldnt support it cause of the sharp turns and narrow tunnels.

That's true, but it's certainly not impossible to lengthen the (7)'s platforms to 600 feet. Originally, most BMT stations could not handle 600-foot trains. But in the 60s, the TA expanded the platforms on the Broadway subway line and the Southern Division lines (4th Avenue, Brighton, Sea Beach and West End) to handle 600-foot trains. That was a much larger-scale project than an expansion of Flushing Line platforms would be, especially because there were a lot more underground BMT stations that had to be expanded.

By the way, wasn't the TA considering making the R62s 63 feet long? I recall reading that on Dave Pirmann's site.

Yeah i was thinking of a 60ft-9ft car when making this since doing all that platform work would be a little much for a longer train.

As a daily rider, I would happily welcome 60 ft by 9 ft cars on my line. A 10-car train of them would handle the crowds much better than an 11-car train of the current rolling stock, especially on the .

Unrelated: I still think the MTA should think about using 60' IRT cars [as long as the R143/R160s but narrow like the R142s]. Why go thru this hassle over the 11th car? I mean is Steinway that much of a problem that cars can't be longer than 51' long?

I'm with you on this, Grand Concourse. The 51-foot cars just don't handle the crowds well. Yesterday, the day after the blizzard, was a prime example. Between the absence of express service, reduced headways and constant door-holding, the was a nightmare yesterday morning. At least if the cars were 60 feet each with four exit doors per side, people might have had an easier time getting on and off and the trains wouldn't have stayed in the stations so long. They really should find a way to run 60-foot cars on the . They don't have to be wider (because they can't get wider due to the Steinway Tunnel), but longer. A 10-car train of 60-footers (600 feet) carries more people than an 11-car train of 51-footers (561 feet).

Plus, if they procured a new fleet of 60-foot cars for the , they could get them with CBTC technology already installed and not have to send R142As back to Kawasaki for CBTC retrofitting and not have to risk angering certain riders by putting the R62As back on lines that currently have R142As.

Im not to familiar how they do things. Last time I checked. I thought they were broke. They are geting new buses and now new cars??? Can someone please enlighten me? I believe that the R62A's from the 7 run fine. They line runs frequently though. I just feel that those 87 Million can be used to finally complete the 2ed Ave subway or help finish it. I just don't think that it is feasable to buy new cars when the ones we have work fine. 2ed Ave Subway is far more important.

The R62As do run fine, but it would cost a lot more to retrofit them with the CBTC technology that the MTA wants to implement on the line. The R142As don't have this technology right now, but they were designed for it, so it would be a lot easier, cheaper and less time-consuming to install CBTC on the R142As. The reason for implementing CBTC on the as opposed to the Lex, is that the , like the which already has CBTC, is that it is a self-contained line. With self-contained lines, if there is a problem with the signaling system and the line has to be shut down, it will not affect other lines.

i know from being a rider of the 6 i ask people here would they like them old 1980s cars back after getting new ones and i get a near 100% no rate, no one in the bronx or manhatten want them too change back too them old trains. i think its a stupid idea in of it self because the R62a are over 25 years old now and by time they are done doing this it will be 27 years old why do that when they will need too buy new ones too replace the R62a and ATS is working its like all new systems it will always have problems at first, its going to take time for this new system too work fully people, the Lex ave line will always be over crowded its the only line on the e side we need the 2nd ave up but we all know how long we been waiting for that

When the R62As that ran on the were transferred to the in 2002-03 they were not old cars (16-18 years old). I rode them every day when they were on the and I ride these same cars every day on the now. Believe me, they look and ride almost as good now as they did when they ran on Lex seven, eight years ago. They're 25-year old cars. They're not old cars. And truthfully, I think most riders aren't going to care if it's an R62A or R142A that pulls into Pelham Bay Park or 86th Street. What they will care about is that the train gets them to where they need to go quickly, safely and in reasonable comfort (in other words, no hot cars in summer).

The reason the got 62s instead of new tech trains when they were new is because Corona's barn couldn't handle the R142's roof-mounted a/c units at the time. There were reportedly some issues with the line's third rail having difficulty powering the test R142 trains. And of course they didn't have enough B-cars to make 11-car trains. But two of those three issues have been resolved and the R188 contract will resolve the B-car issues. Not to mention that the NTTs were designed with CBTC in mind and the R62s were a back-to- basics design. It would be a lot easier and less expensive to refit NTTs with CBTC than it would be to refit the barebones R62As.

Still, they need to clean up the interiors of those 62s. All the scratching on the stainless steel patterns

Despite the painstaking work of bringing the map to near completion, the software used to create the map began to fail under the massive size of the map. With thousands of little objects scattered throughout the map, none of the programs in the Microsoft Office suite could properly export the drawing to an image with readable text. PowerPoint did let me export, but only a piece at a time and I stitched the pieces together afterwards. I thought OpenOffice.org would be a sufficient replacement, but its export capabilities also failed me.

Well, you did a great job on this map. I'd like to do my own fantasy map one of these days. I especially like the 2nd Avenue service pattern and the X train. We really could use a service connecting the Bronx, Queens and Brooklyn directly without having to go through Manhattan first.