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What is the deal with the connection to the A train in the subway option? Looks like they copped out on designing a proper junction or they were short on time to do so.

Since the ROW is on a dedicated viaduct/embankment, I was thinking have the southbound RBB line duck under the NB Rockaway track before coming up to join the SB Rockaway track.

The price tag is pretty steep and will be a big hurtle. I'm thinking maybe build the line in two phases, QBL to Atlantic and then Atlantic to Aqueduct.

Don't know if this was mentioned elsewhere: MTA's Memorabilia and Collectibles are having a holiday special until the 18th, 50% off all inventory except tokens. 

Site: http://web.mta.info/nyct/materiel/collectsales/index.html 

 

On 8/28/2017 at 11:23 PM, P3F said:

I wish they would let people avoid the shipping and insurance fees by just going to the place and picking it up.

Have you asked them about picking up an order? In the past I've gotten a yes from them, but I was never able to make it to the city at the right time.

2 hours ago, B46 via Utica said:

 

There no R train service from 36 St-(BKLYN) to 95 St in both directions because of debris on the tracks at 86 St.

There is R shuttle train service between 36 St (Bklyn) and Bay Ridge-95 St in both directions. Southbound R trains are stopping along the D line from 36 St (Bklyn) to 9 Av then end. 

Crazy!!

Southbound E trains are stopping along the F line from 2 Av and end at Church Av. Details at https://t.co/vhZQ2kZ2vb

 

Happy foaming. 

Wasn't 86 st one of the stations next in line to get renovated to?

 

 

1 hour ago, Around the Horn said:

Nah it was renovated in 2011. Its next in line to get elevators.

Ironically, looks like the "renovations" we're part of the cause. Post reported that a section of the prefab wall collapsed onto the roadway causing the derailment.

https://nypost.com/2017/11/26/crumbling-wall-causes-subway-derailment-in-bay-ridge/

Anybody notice that the Transit layer on Google Maps now has the station outlines for NYC Subway? Or am I just late to the game?

That looks great! Would you mind putting up some pics of how you setup your power and tell a little about it? I've got a few signs that I'm looking to power and I've been trying to get as much info as possible.

 

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At the cost of speed for trains taking the downgrade. This is a cost that will be paid indefinitely. Some other rail project specifications I’ve read explicitly admonish building stations at the end of downgrades. Ideally, the stations should be built like those on the Lexington Avenue Line where the track profile is like a hump to help trains slow down going in and speed up going out.

How much of a cost is that trade-off? I don't think it's that enough to warrant a deeper station, and the benefit would only be in one direction, since trains going the opposite way have to climb back up that hill. I'm not even sure if you'd save two minutes on the schedule cutting across the geo-strata. You will definitely pay much more up front in construction, as well as down the road in infrastructure maintenance.

 

Looking at the profile that they have in the construction methods brochure, 86 St station is crested in the recommended technique that you mentioned, which decreases the depth of the station, which in turn decreases construction costs as well as vertical circulation time for people entering the station.

 

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Indeed but the thing is after 72nd there an upgrade the split and then a downgrade and turn onto 63rd. Phase 3 is going cross over the 63rd street tunnels. There's even a slight upgrade into the 72nd itself from 86th.

I've finally got my eyes​ on some drawings. Looks like depth of bedrock and the drive to stay in bedrock to simplify tunneling (which keeps costs down) controls the track grades and depths (as it should).

 

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does anyone think that the depth of the SAS stations at 86th and 72nd street are a deterrent? I would think that if I live on 3rd av, that i'd prefer lex over sas just because you save 2-3 mins from descending to the platforms

I think the reason for building 72 St so deep was to facilitate the connection to the 63 St line, which by that area is poised to cross under the East River. 63/Lex is a deep station with two levels. Then the tracks rise from 72 to 96 to reach the level of the tunnels already constructed in the 1970s.

 

A 2-3% grade is a moderate grade for a subway. Makes sense why the Q train feels to me like it wants to take it's time between 72 and 86.

 

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For all we know they never built this at all.

If we're talking about the bell mouths on the NYCT level of the 63rd st tunnel in Queens, they did not. If there was any type of extension at all it didn't extend any further than across Northern Boulevard where they made the ESA connection to the existing 63rd St tunnel.

 

I remember seeing older documents planning for the NYCT yard, but none of the project's contracts call for any tunneling done for anything but LIRR/Amtrak.

 

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Non-revenue test trains began running up the line this morning:

Dude, they should've at least performed some dust remediation before beginning full revenue testing. That's a fair amount of dust getting kicked up by the trains. That third rail shoe is arcing like crazy from it.

 

 

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In addition to what was mentioned above, I think the reason why the and trains don't say "4 Ave Local/Express" is for a couple more reasons:

 

1) The 4th Avenue Line has multiple routes that branch off of it and...

 

2) These branches make up a substantial part of their respective lines' routes in Brooklyn and are more or less these lines' namesakes.

 

Therefore, if I get on a southbound express train at Atlantic-Barclays, I know it's express on 4 Av, what I need to know is will it take me to the West End Line or the Sea Beach Line. Since I have a limited number of destination signage slots for each code, it's best I be as concise as possible.

 

Now, going the other way to Manhattan, I think they kept the same designations so as not to confuse people. I usually know that a Sea Beach Local will run local on the 4 Avenue line, because that is where (by normal daily service definition) I have my local/express options.

 

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Absolutely beautiful--some of my favorite rolls after their IRT counterparts, so colorful and striking. Interesting to see the QJ mod and the S Special reading, had never seen those.

You can see that the QJ, the and the KK had the first letter covered for the service updates during the 1970s. Also the M had the 'exp' covered. It's interesting that they had provision for the MM to go via 6 Ave since the 1960s. For some reason the Special and Shuttle readings are the same size inside and out. They don't really fit in the interior space.

 

I have spares, whatcha need?

Sending you a PM.

A couple more rolls added to the collection. Pictured is a SMEE B Division Side Route Rollsign from the late 1960s:

 

 

 

 

 

I Set it up in an R32 side frame along with the R27 roll I got last month:

 

 

 

 

I also have a matching 1960s end destination route sign, I'll try to get pics of it later.

 

Speaking of sign frames, does anyone have any extra R32 side frames or parts (like many people have an R32 frame just lying around...)? A couple of the plastic gears on my frame are cracked and I don't think replacements will be easy to find.

Some new rollsigns...

 

 

Nice! You got your hands on some real beauties!

Those photos are great. It's a total schlep but maybe I'll drag myself out some time. That bin of complete rollsigns is enough to make we wanna go out alone. How did prices compare to eBay?

 

I'd want to say good to awesome. The KK roll I got for $100 and the R27 one for $150 (two different vendors). It's a really great environment, plenty of people to talk with - many who have been around for a while - all who love what we love.

That KK roll was one of the first things I saw when I walked in to the show and I pounced on it. There was a plethora of stuff at the show; it was the transit enthusiast's garage sale. I would recommend anyone looking for transit memorabilia to check it out. The next one is in October and will be held in Parsippany, NJ.

 

Some pics from this month's show: https://flic.kr/s/aHskAtcejy

Hey all,

 

Went to the NYC Model Transit Association train show in New Brunswick this past Saturday and added a couple goodies to my collection:

 

A KK rollsign section from an R42 I believe:

 

A St Louis Car Co./ M-K Co.  re-builder's plate:

 

A couple 1990s timetables and maps (maps not shown):

 

 

An R27 Side Route Roll. I'm going to set it up in one of the boxes I have after I clear up some space for it.

 

And an early R44 SIRT End sign (off eBay, but arrived Saturday):

 

Needless to say it feels like the day after Christmas for me!

Saw this on ebay... http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-R62A-NYC-SUBWAY-BROOKLYN-BRIDGE-GRAND-CENTRAL-SHEA-STADIUM-ROLL-SIGN-BOX-NY-/191735661419?hash=item2ca456036b:m:mVvN1iEmbEp8TvkHQXS-8OQ

 

I want to know how someone legally got their hands on a R62A signbox with rolls...

A while back the MTA did have a couple R62 sign boxes for sale, most likely from the cars that were written off from damage due to various incidents like the Union Square wreck.

 

All the signs and parts that the has/had for sale on their memorabilia site was part of their car reefing program, which a few R62s were part of. They currently don't have asset recovery plans for the next set of cars scheduled for retirement, so anyone interested should light the fire under the to let them know there is interest for this stuff.

Most were scrapped. Some saved for work car use and museums

Thanks for the info. When you say "scrapped", does that mean most likely sold to a scrapyard? It might be a little late, but I'd like to see if I can track down any of these cars.

Just the parts. A rollsign cover with the sections matted and 'framed' behind the plexiglass. I made a box for another full frame and cover, which is in the closet until I can find space to hang it.

 

The rolls for the R30s/32s/38s (as it's printed on the roll) have the JFK Express on it. I've seen at least one roll that has "Train to the Plane" printed next to the . I posted this earlier, but it seems that post was one of the lost ones. I had this on my wall before we moved to MD:

 

Hey, a question about the PA-1 through PA-4 cars: does anyone here know what happened to the cars after they were retired?

A project I've been working on for family who used to live in the City. I've got to get rid of the white from the matboard on the bottom sign.

 

Where did talk of R42 (M)s come from? I don't recall seeing it before the last page.

 

As was pointed out before, the C/R position is not an issue with the R32s. They ran like that on the for a bit. Remember, the issue came up when they tried R40s/40Ms/42s on the and the trains had to stop at the 10 car marker due to the offset C/R position.

*philosophy*

You pretty much filled in all the unspoken gaps between my conclusions.

 

That R16 sign is really cool! I agree with you, I'd like to see the roll with the earlier letters. I had my eye on the full R44 Front Qns Blvd roll that houseofmemories had up, but it's just above my budget right now.

Looks like a BMT standard or Triplex roll. What, is this the place where you're getting information about it before you cut it up and put it on Ebay? Vile.

Thanks! Now, for the scissors, BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!

 

No really, thank you for the info, I really appreciate it. If you care to read my lengthy answer to your other comment, read below.

 

I've had this discussion of "ethics" with myself for months before I decided to put these pieces up and I came to a few conclusions:

 

1. There are many people who are not buffs that love their transit system. People have their line or station that have become significant in their lives, and these are rare little trinkets that can give a real personal touch wherever they choose. Getting an entire sign for tyat purpose would be expensive and bulky. This allows more people to represent one of the truly unique features of NYC. Like I said, I've sent NYC Transit stuff all over, including Canada and the UK. People love the opportunity to represent if you give them the chance.

 

2. There is a reason why I did this to an R32 sign: there are about 200 more cars still running on this system, which makes at most 400 more intact signs available to those who want it. Maybe not abundant, but not as rare as some other signs, although I think some work better as pieces, like the older R40 and R44 side signs. That is why the redbird sign I am offering is intact, there's not that many left. That being said, the prices being offered by others for these pieces are ridiculous. I want to make this more available, while not losing money to fees and shipping. But, as I mentioned, for the people I know are interested, the prices are negotiable.

 

3. The truth is, barring the few people that have the space (or the fervor) to buy intact signs and frames, most of these signs will survive longer in pieces. That R17 route sign that I believe MHV picked up would be the ideal setup for a rollsign, but most don't come that way. That R40 sign is a doozy. Interestingly enough, most people see nothing wrong with cutting up the signs. Look at page two of this thread. I got my first roll when I was 12. The guy who gave it to me offered some suggestions on what to do with it, like cut it up and frame it.

 

4. Chances are that I will never own a pair of prototype R32 cars, and that the number of surviving signs will far surpass the number of surviving cars.

 

I am not out to destroy evey rollsign I get my hands on to make a profit, but I realize that there are varying interests in this sector. The BMT rollsign is staying with me, and I am planning on putting up for sale a couple more old rollsigns, intact.

 

Now, if you want to make sure that the rest of the R32 and R42, as well as the R44/46, 62, and 68 signs get salvaged and made available for purchase when their time comes, email asset.recovery@nyct.com and let them know that there's an interest for these signs.