Roadcruiser1

We have been over this. Lefferts Boulevard prefers express service so they want the not the . This thread should be locked. 

Again at best if the were to come back it did run the way it used to, but hopefully there did be rush hour trains running to Bay Parkway to make up for the loss of the brown . That is all that is needed. There is very little demand for a Chambers Street to Bay Parkway line which was why the brown was always empty, it also proves that such a service isn't needed.

Yeah.... I am really starting to think that our forum should require the age of a person first before allowing them to create an account here. Apparently it seems like most of the foamers here are under the age of 14....

Now back on topic. Are the cars already under construction?

This thread stinks. It's time to close it....

1 Read Snowblocks comment and then reply again. It's possible at 14th.

True, but it would slow the Sixth Avenue Line too much. I don't think it will happen.

Infill idea - convert Woodside to a local stop and 74th to an express stop - how many people actually use the - LIRR connection, anyways?

 

Whenever the money for SAS Phase III falls out of the sky, they should also probably have a stop between 72nd and 55th - that is an awfully long gap, and they could probably change it to 51st and 60th or something.

1. Of course people use it, and I don't think there is enough room to change 74th Street to an express stop anyway. It's similar to the 14th Street situation.

2. Not possible. The track connections to the 63rd Street Tunnel is located around there. So no....

It looks like the 14 Street station was designed to be expandable to an express stop. The planners might have fantasized about taking over the PATH tunnels along 6 Avenue and making some changes to enable express trains to stop at 14 Street. Or they could just build a lower level platform and connect them with staircases.

Looks doesn't really mean anything according to the track map.

Central Park is fine the way it is. The and the already serves Central Park at 59th Street-Columbus Circle. It is redundant to create a new station ruining express runs.

It's impossible to turn 14th Street into a local station anyway. The Sixth Avenue Line used to be a two tracked line when it was built in the 1930's. It was expanded to a four track line (which we see today) in the 1950's. The express tracks dip below the local tracks. It also dips below PATH and the . This creates a situation that makes it too difficult to warrant it.

Here is the track map from NYC Subway.com. Notice that the express tracks are dashed which means that it runs underneath the local tracks.

I think there should be a stop on in Alphabet City. "Avenue B" on the or something like that. (And definitely 10th Avenue on the ).

The 14th Street Tunnel on the is too steep for an Alphabet City Station, but a Tenth Avenue station on the should definitely be built.

It won't work since the is an IND/BMT Line and the is an IRT Line....

The was supposed to run all the way up to Co-Op City back in the 1930 proposal, but it wasn't called Co-Op City back in those days, but an amusement park. That was why the was supposed to run that far. It would have been connected to that park and Orchard Beach which today isn't really connected to mass transit.

The and already has a station at Wall Street. There is no need for one along the and line since the Wall Street Station for the and is close by. Plus the approach to the Cranberry Street Tunnels are too steep making it even less possible.

Also I get that he might be new, but stop reactivating old threads. They died for a reason.

but why is it so cheap in other countries? so unnecessary studies bring up the costs or stupidly expensive consultants the worst expense I was looking for PM me some of it.

 

They do. It's just difficult in New York City because there are tons of stuff underground, and then you are trying to build a new subway. It's extremely complex.

True but remember that recent proposals calls for an overhaul of existing IRT lines in the Bronx such as the WPR or Pelham Bay lines for 2nd Ave line service. But yes otherwise population stats will have to change and we may just have to wait a couple of decades before that happens. With Phase 2 construction to 125th Street, pre-engineered leads towards the Bronx is supposed to be incorporated into the tunnels at a point before the newly proposed tunnels turn west heading to its uptown Manhattan terminal at 125th Street.

 

Otherwise I am in agreement with you, as this is a very costly project to complete among other things. It may meet up with opposition as it will disrupt the flow of things in more neighborhoods whenever the new extension is constructed. If it happens.

 

You would never see the if ever comes to existence run on the IRT Branches in the Bronx. It would run on it's own ROW. Probably above the Park Avenue MNRR Line near Third Avenue.

why do subways cost so much to build in NYC?

 

Environmental studies, lots of people, valuable real estate property. The list goes on.

And this was why as previously noted if a new Queens tunnel ever gets built, I would be looking to do it at 79th Street and set it up so a station at 79th Street/York-1st Avenue is a three-track, two-island platform station so it can also be used to short-turn trains there. That would fix the gap of not having an entrance between 72nd and 83rd Street on the SAS in what is probably the most densely populated area of not just NYC, but of the entire country I believe (something I remember from growing up there).

 

How many times have we told you that it's not possible considering all those connections to the 63rd Street Tunnel and everything else around the area? I guess you never listen do you. You keep vomiting the same stuff over and over again, and it doesn't work. It's been proven to not work. I guess you never heard of the term "You can't eat water". You can go ahead and try over and over, but it won't work. You are doing the same thing here.

Obviously after looking back at most of these posts and ideas since I have left for college and for other reasons I see things still haven't changed and the same people are flowing the same nonsense around here.

1) The can't afford to add a third track to the Second Avenue Subway. It has been mentioned a billion times that the already has problems itself with Phase 3 of the Second Avenue Subway since nothing has been built down there. If they have problems there what makes you think it's possible for a third track?

2) If we even get to Phase 4 the already did feasibility studies showing that none of Vanshnookenraggen's ideas will work, or any other of those options. Even though they look good on a darn map it won't happen since the studies say no.

3) Staten Island, Brooklyn, The Bronx? What year are we in? The is broke. That instantly kills it.

The only possible phases that would be completed for the Second Avenue Subway would mostly likely be phase 1 and 2 since the tunnels for them has mostly been dug. Phase 3 hasn't ever been dug so it makes it extremely difficult, and there are some tunnel sections at phase 4, but unless if phase 3 is dug we won't even talk about phase 4, and I still don't think the Second Avenue Subway would ever go to the Bronx in our lifetime. It's too expensive. Plus Webster Avenue is getting BRT which would make an extension of the Second Avenue Subway highly unlikely since they would now have the , the and , and they still have the MNRR which gives them plenty of transit options that makes it less likely to happen.

Any loop line in general would probably avoid Manhattan since all loop lines in other cities avoid running through the city center which is in this case Manhattan. So such a line would run from New Jersey and through the four other Boroughs but not Manhattan, but such a line is impossible since it is so long, and construction cost would be in the billions. Not to mention the long wait time for construction and the problem between the and the PA.

I mean an extra track that makes all of the same stops. It would double the peak-direction capacity of the line, theoretically.

 

That's not possible.

My proposal is to take two car lanes off the Verrazano Narrows Bridge and transform them into pure BRT lanes for Staten Island buses.

Sucks that it has to come to this, but why not leave provisions for express tracks in a tunnel underneath? This way, express tracks can possibly be built in the future, like on 6th Avenue. Even if it takes 50 years, that extra capacity will come in handy.

 

The spacing between stations will make express service pretty much something that is not needed.

I highly doubt express tracks will happen too for the same reason. Face it . The has no money. We are lucky if the whole length of the Second Avenue Subway is completed and sees the light of day. It has been delayed for decades already.

Based On Roadcrusers track map that he showed us even though it's outdated, Lenme point out something.

If the configuration at Grand Street is suppose to be built like this, then If anything happens on Broadway, then the can go on the Northern Side of the Bridge and go up 2 Avenue. Also, if the were to be rerouted onto 6 Avenue, it can either go on the to 2 Avenue then the route to Houston, then the northern bridge tracks. Maybe it can also be connected to the 8 Avenue line via 125 to Probably connect for a routing to The Bronx rather then build a whole new line. Concourse can be enlargened, and Maube Send the via Concourse to the Bronx and the to 168 street Washington Heights The can terminate at Bedford Park at all times it operates if the connector is built as well. This can call for the fully express. Maybe built a new express track under the local station and run the in the expresses, the and on the local.

 

Not really. The water table, steepness, and the TPH prevents any of your idea from happening.

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What the hell are you talking about?