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I would create a tunnel from 145 Street to 137 Street City College so if the ever gets reroute via the or the switches at 96 start acting up this can be a one way ticket to Bronx.

For that to happen, you'll need to pass through the Harlem-148th Street station and demolish the existing station entrance. As a matter of fact, you can't extend anywhere past that station anyway beacuse the tracks are located at-grade.

I propose a new subway line instead of an or extension. I'd name it the (X) and it'll run between 207th Street and Co-op City via Fordham Road and Pelham Parkway via the yard approaches to the 207th Street Yard. After passing the yard into Manhattan, a new lower level will be created at 207th Street for these trains and this level will be built as an infill station along the yard approaches.

 

Manhattan:

Inwood-207th Street

 

Bronx:

University Avenue

Valentine Avenue

Fordham Plaza (Metro-North)

Southern Boulevard

Pelham Parkway

Williamsbridge Road

Eastchester Road

Pelham Bay Park

Co-op City-Earhart Lane

This line has few stops, so should I give it an designation like all shuttle services?

Basically, except faster and more reliable.

 

If you think about it, every good subway proposal except Triboro already has a corresponding SBS/LTD route.

And the will already have an SBS counterpart, the M15.

Here's my other service plan if the SAS is ever extended into Brooklyn:

 

and run express in Brooklyn; replaces to/from Lefferts Boulevard at all times except late nights.

 

runs local between 125th Street and Euclid Avenue at all times; late night service is extended to/from Lefferts Boulevard to replace the .

 

runs between Jamaica-179th Street and Euclid Avenue at all times except late nights when it terminates at Hanover Square; trains run local to Forest Hills-71st Avenue, then express via the Queens Boulevard Bypass, and then local in Manhattan and Brooklyn via 63rd Street. In Queens, and trains run express after Forest Hills-71st Avenue; trains will run local along this segment late nights only.

I changed my mind: runs to Brooklyn only on weekdays in this plan.

Here's my other service plan if the SAS is ever extended into Brooklyn:

 

and run express in Brooklyn; replaces to/from Lefferts Boulevard at all times except late nights.

 

runs local between 125th Street and Euclid Avenue at all times; late night service is extended to/from Lefferts Boulevard to replace the .

 

runs between Jamaica-179th Street and Euclid Avenue at all times except late nights when it terminates at Hanover Square; trains run local to Forest Hills-71st Avenue, then express via the Queens Boulevard Bypass, and then local in Manhattan and Brooklyn via 63rd Street. In Queens, and trains run express after Forest Hills-71st Avenue; trains will run local along this segment late nights only.

I really doubt will ever be extended (besides the to Lefferts). The is the longest line in the city, and when running local late nights, screws up the entire thing with delays. You wanna extend the ? Fine, but the results won't be pretty. Extend the past the ? Makes no sense at all.

I propose a new subway line instead of an or extension. I'd name it the (X) and it'll run between 207th Street and Co-op City via Fordham Road and Pelham Parkway via the yard approaches to the 207th Street Yard. After passing the yard into Manhattan, a new lower level will be created at 207th Street for these trains and this level will be built as an infill station along the yard approaches.

 

Manhattan:

Inwood-207th Street

 

Bronx:

University Avenue

Valentine Avenue

Fordham Plaza (Metro-North)

Southern Boulevard

Pelham Parkway

Williamsbridge Road

Eastchester Road

Pelham Bay Park

Co-op City-Earhart Lane

So what your saying is that it's possible, but the train would have to wrong rail back to Woodlawn?

Absolutely

What about the connections at 138 Street that connect the and the ?

The connections are at 149th Street, not 138th Street. Even if it used those connections, it'll still have to stop at the lower level, then merge with the Jerome Avenue Line to 138th Street, and then go back up to 149th Street on the upper level.

A few years after Sandy, another hurricane storms NYC, this time being Category 3. The Stillwell Avenue and nearby stations suffered extensive damage from the storm. The entire Sea Beach Line is flooded all the way to the top. Now what?

What would be the feasibility of constructing an additional 2 tracks next to, or using the yard leads into 207th to extend the to Fordham Rd?

Extending the into the Bronx is out of the question. Why not just create a new subway service of its own?

I'm not sure how Brighton would be connected to Crosstown (and please don't refer to Vanshnookenraggen's fantasy map), but there was a plan connecting it to a branch from the Bushwick trunk line which roughly follows the current Myrtle Avenue line from Knickerbocker Avenue to Wyckoff Avenue before continuing down Central Avenue and joining the LIRR Montauk branch at 79 Place to the (currently unused) Rockaway branch. This connection would presumably replace the Myrtle Avenue line, or relegate it to a shuttle service while enabling a route that connects Kensington, Park Slope, Bedford–Stuyvesant, Bushwick, Ridgewood, Woodhaven, Ozone Park, and the Rockaways.

 

The IND left no provision for a connection from south of Bedford–Nostrand Avenues. And if it did, and the track map we're looking at is what it is, then I have no idea what the planners were thinking. With only three tracks and no station shell over or under Bedford–Nostrand Avenues, it's obvious that the IND did not intend for another line to tangle with the Crosstown at the hip.

Why don't you want to refer to those fantasy maps?

Which if I ever got to build the Myrtle-Brighton line, it would include a transfer point to the and service as a second Brooklyn-Queens crosstown.

This would be a "Black " train that would start at Metropolitan and run on the existing Myrtle El to a rebuilt upper level of Myrtle Avenue, then on a short, rebuilt stretch of the old Myrtle El that would include a rebuilt Sumner Avenue station and a stop with a transfer to the at Beford-Nostrand, then onto the existing Franklin Avenue Shuttle line, absorbing that line and having it rebuilt to two tracks and 480' or 600' stations and then running as the full-time Brighton local to Coney Island (while the becomes the full-time Brighton express to Brighton Beach and the becomes a second Brighton Local to Coney Island).

Nobody wants a f***ing el outside their windows, and that's why many els in the past were destroyed...

Why hasn't the Franklin Shuttle been connected to the line?

Not sure right now that would be possible unless you built the QB bypass OR perhaps build a line that could start/run through the never-used upper level of Roosevelt Avenue to Manhattan via a new tunnel that would stop on the north side of Roosevelt Island and then York-1st Avenues and 79th Street before joining the SAS north of 72nd Street. While there is supposed to be a connection from the QB line, that would be mainly for re-routes as needed barring some drastic changes in the next 30 years.

I was assuming you already knew that I was proposing a new SAS service into Queens IN ADDITION to the Queens Boulevard bypass. Here's a map of my proposed route, but let's keep in mind this is only a rough draft: https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=zh758mgJc1tw.kAhITSskdJzI&cid=mp&cv=P5MqXS5JDyA.en.

If the SAS was going to be extended into Queens, it should have its own tunnel so we don't have many delays like when the ran via the Mountage Tubes which cut back service. I would suggest running it via te WillyB then break off from the rest of the Nassu street line.

 

Let me also remind you that Court Street has only one exit and much of the stations mezzanine is used for employees or for museum purposes.

 

About who suggested extending the SAS into the Bronx, that is a big no-no because Bronx is a IRT only borough. If you recreate the bullet as a (8) and have it run via the Pelham Line instead of the Dyre Ave Line.

There's already a provision for an SAS connection to the 63rd St line, something I took advantage of for a revived between Hanover Square and 179th Street via a Queens Boulevard super-express bypass along the LIRR ROW. Therefore there's no need for a new tunnel.

Suppose the is extended to Brooklyn via Fulton Local. If a Queens service via SAS is also planned, should that route also extend to Brooklyn?

If the bypass is built, then the best option is to route it under the LIRR ROW all the way to Forest Hills-71st Avenue. I propose a new SAS service between Hanover Square and Jamaica-179th Street via 63rd Street, running express in Queens between 21st Street-Queensbridge and Forest Hills-71st Avenue and then local to Jamaica. trains will now run express east of Forest Hills, stopping only at Kew Gardens-Union Turnpike, Parsons Boulevard, and Jamaica-179th Street; trains will no longer stop at those stations evenings and weekends.

 

Queens:

Jamaica-179th Street

169th Street

Parsons Boulevard

Sutphin Boulevard

Briarwood-Van Wyck Boulevard

Kew Gardens-Union Turnpike

75th Avenue

Forest Hills-71st Avenue

61st Street-Woodside

21st Street-Queensbridge

 

Manhattan:

Roosevelt Island

55th Street

42nd Street

34th Street

23rd Street

14th Street

Houston Street

Grand Street

Chatham Square

Seaport

Hanover Square

 

This proposed service will be use the designation and will operate at all times. However, it will be colored teal instead of orange, since it will use the SAS.

In the last sentence of my proposal, I meant to say the will no longer stop at 75th Avenue and Briarwood-Van Wyck Boulevard evenings and weekends. Hence, trains run express between Jamaica-179th Street and 21st Street-Queensbridge at all times, and late night service will remain as is. trains replace the as the local east of Forest Hills-71st Avenue at all times.

Under the LIRR or even half and half (one track above ground and the other underground). Speaking of relieving the in Astoria I thought of re-routing the through Astoria to LaGuardia via a new line branching off Lexington Ave at 96th St and onto Astoria Blvd

 

How you propose that?

If the bypass is built, then the best option is to route it under the LIRR ROW all the way to Forest Hills-71st Avenue. I propose a new SAS service between Hanover Square and Jamaica-179th Street via 63rd Street, running express in Queens between 21st Street-Queensbridge and Forest Hills-71st Avenue and then local to Jamaica. trains will now run express east of Forest Hills, stopping only at Kew Gardens-Union Turnpike, Parsons Boulevard, and Jamaica-179th Street; trains will no longer stop at those stations evenings and weekends.

 

Queens:

Jamaica-179th Street

169th Street

Parsons Boulevard

Sutphin Boulevard

Briarwood-Van Wyck Boulevard

Kew Gardens-Union Turnpike

75th Avenue

Forest Hills-71st Avenue

61st Street-Woodside

21st Street-Queensbridge

 

Manhattan:

Roosevelt Island

55th Street

42nd Street

34th Street

23rd Street

14th Street

Houston Street

Grand Street

Chatham Square

Seaport

Hanover Square

 

This proposed service will be use the designation and will operate at all times. However, it will be colored teal instead of orange, since it will use the SAS.

There's nothin wrong with Queens Blvd It just needs a super express line to compliment it so that'll increase capacity for a future SAS service, allow room for a Far Rockaway service and more trains on Queens Blvd.

 

It was supposed to be built at 76th St and Pitkin Ave

I'm technically against building a bypass along the LIRR ROW because that'll mean passing through people's backyards and demolishing some buildings, so once again, I'd go for a new SAS line to Western Queens via 63rd Street and Steinway Street to relieve overcrowding on the and trains in Astoria.

 

Or...is it possible to construct the bypass under the LIRR ROW instead of over it or beside it?

One problem: you need to turn Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza into a station complex for this to happen. And even so, not really a big fan of this proposal.

 

I don't think there should be Lower Manhattan service on the Brighton line. Just transfer at Canal Street and Dekalb Avenue and call it a day.

There could be a Queens service going along the SAS to Brooklyn via the Montague Street Tunnel, but because the Queens Boulevard Line is already at capacity, I'd go back to my old proposal for a new line along Steinway Street that would service an SAS route between western Queens and Brooklyn via the tunnel running local along Fourth Avenue and either the West End or Sea Beach Lines.

Should the SAS be routed into Brooklyn via Nassau, then the platforms at Chambers, Fulton, and Broad would have to be lengthened.

They could connect SAS to Nassau north of Chambers and send a (U) via Montague and then on the Brighton line, giving the Brighton lower Manhattan access.

That's not a good plan because it would mean running shorter trains, since the Nassau Street Line has shorter platforms.

For SAS to have a service to Queens, I'd suggest cutting back the to 57th Street/Seventh Avenue to make way for it. In this proposal, a new train will operate between Hanover Square and Forest Hills at all times except late nights, making all stops in Queens and Manhattan. Also, trains will run to Forest Hills at all times except late nights when it operates as a shuttle between Metropolitan Avenue and Myrtle Avenue/Broadway and trains will run local in Queens during late nights to replace the . North of 57th Street/Seventh Avenue, two layup tracks will be built beide each existing track for terminating trains.

Yes but the noise from trains running above or next to the Museam would distract the visitors, and Court Street is quiet as a mouse. Where does the go after it uses. Court Street?

Sounds like the Transit Museum may need to be relocated in that case.

No, just run two 2nd Ave services. The from 125th St to Hanover Sq as planned, and a second V service from the 63rd St Tunnel and Queens. Run said V service into Brooklyn via Nassau St/Montague Tunnel, Rutgers St Tunnel, or its own tunnel leading into the Court St (Transit Museum) station.

I'd go for this proposal:

 

Add express tracks to the entire SAS line and have a second SAS service run between Manhattanville and Lefferts Boulevard via 125th Street, Second Avenue, and Fulton Street. The new service would be designated as the (X), running local along 125th Street and Fulton Street and express along the entire route. The stops are as follows:

 

Manhattan:

Manhattanville-12th Avenue

Saint Nicholas Avenue

Lenox Avenue

125th Street

72nd Street

55th Street

42nd Street

14th Street

Houston Street

Grand Street

Hanover Square

Whitehall Street-South Ferry

 

Brooklyn:

Court Street

Hoyt-Schermerhorn Streets

Lafayette Avenue

Clinton-Washington Avenues

Franklin Avenue

Nostrand Avenue

Kingston-Throop Avenues

Utica Avenue

Ralph Avenue

Rockaway Avenue

Broadway Junction

Liberty Avenue

Van Siclen Avenue

Shepherd Avenue

Euclid Avenue

Grant Avenue*

 

Queens:

80th Street*

88th Street*

Rockaway Boulevard*

104th Street*

111th Street*

Ozone Park-Lefferts Boulevard*

 

*Late nights only

 

In this plan, the is extended to Lefferts Boulevard and runs express in Brooklyn at all times except late nights when the (X) replaces it in Brooklyn and Queens. All other times, (X) trains terminate at Euclid Avenue. Also, the will not run late nights; the (X) makes all stops during those times. Lastly, trains will no longer serve Lefferts Boulevard, since the and (X) will serve it during the day and late at night, respectively.