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Here's my other SAS proposal, this time with service to Queens:

 

The will be rerouted to the after 36 St, onto the line after Roosevelt Island to Grand St, then onto the Nassau St line to Broad St, and then resuming its normal route to 95 St thereafter. This new route will run between Bay Ridge and Forest Hills at all times and provide Queens customers direct access to Second Avenue. However, to compensate for the loss of a direct trip to Queens Plaza from 36 St on weekends, the will run local in Queens during those times, since the does not run to Forest Hills on weekends.

 

On Broadway: the will run local in Manhattan via the Montague Street Tunnel at all times, stopping at DeKalb Av in both directions. express service along Fourth Avenue will remain unchanged. Also, there will be a new train that will run local between Astoria and Whitehall St on weekdays only. service will remain unchanged.

 

Queens customers who wish to access Broadway trains may take the train to Lexington Av/63 St and use the free out-of-system subway transfer to the Lexington Av/59 St station.

Just a little edit: The northbound stop at Broadway will be at 47 St, not 49 St. The bus will also travel northbound along 47 St between Northern Blvd and 31 Av.

A new stop on 39 St at 48 Av will be added, too

I vote for "Quit" Depot... Don't you ever get tired of making up these crazy proposals??

I pay attention to every detail...

If the BQE won't do for a Brooklyn to LGA route, here's my new proposal:

 

B80: Limited-stop service between LaGuardia Airport, Queens, and Downtown Brooklyn via Jay St, Tillary St, Park Av, Williamsburg St, Rodney St (northbound), Marcy Av (southbound), Meeker Av, Kingsland Av (northbound), Monitor St (southbound), Greenpoint Av, 39 St, Northern Blvd, 49 St (northbound), 48 St (southbound), Astoria Blvd, and 23 Av (northbound). Makes only the following stops:

 

On Jay St:

Fulton Mall

Myrtle Promenade

 

On Park Av:

Vanderbilt Av

 

On Williamsburg St (northbound)/Classon Av (southbound):

Flushing Av

 

On Rodney St (northbound)/Marcy Av (southbound):

Broadway

Metropolitan Av

 

On Meeker Av:

Lorimer St

Graham Av

Kingsland Av

 

On Kingsland Av (northbound)/Monitor St (southbound):

Nassau Av

 

On Greenpoint Av:

Borden Av

 

On 39 St:

Queens Blvd

Steinway St/Northern Blvd

 

On 49 St (northbound) and 48 St (southbound):

Broadway

30 Av

 

On Astoria Blvd:

78 St

82 St

 

On 23 Av (northbound):

87 St

94 St

 

Then all stops in LaGuardia Airport

 

The B80 will operate from 6AM to midnight every 30 minutes.

Which depot should I assign the B80?

Here's the B80 route map. Same as I described, except that I rerouted it to Humboldt St northbound and Russell St southbound. Also, Kingsland/Meeker Avs will no longer be a stop. https://mapsengine.google.com/map/edit?mid=zh758mgJc1tw.kQb46ncew3dI

Here's the B80 route map. Same as I described, except that I rerouted it to Humboldt St northbound and Russell St southbound. Also, Kingsland/Meeker Avs will no longer be a stop. https://mapsengine.google.com/map/edit?mid=zh758mgJc1tw.kQb46ncew3dI

On 49 St (northbound) and 48 St (southbound):

Broadway

30 Av

Just a little edit: The northbound stop at Broadway will be at 47 St, not 49 St. The bus will also travel northbound along 47 St between Northern Blvd and 31 Av.

On 49 St (northbound) and 48 St (southbound):

Broadway

30 Av

Just a little edit: The northbound stop at Broadway will be at 47 St, not 49 St. The bus will also travel northbound along 47 St between Northern Blvd and 31 Av.

On 49 St (northbound) and 48 St (southbound):

Broadway

30 Av

Just a little edit: The northbound stop at Broadway will be at 47 St, not 49 St. The bus will also travel northbound along 47 St between Northern Blvd and 31 Av.

You love 30 minute headways huh... lol

That's how the MTA's new bus routes from scratch all started...the B32, B84, Bx46, and M12...and all these routes have buses running every 30 minutes.

No, as it wouldn't get any ridership over there....

 

Look, Here's the problem...

You're way more focused with running buses nonstop, than you are with trying to establish a justifiable riderbase to the route.

 

No latent demand exists for a Brooklyn to LGA route, and the fact that the BQE is the most direct routing to LGA from the Williamsburg area, is a deterrent in & of itself....

 

Any route running from Brooklyn to LGA would have to resemble the structure of the B15 (meaning, serving multiple riderbases)...

Having the route terminate @ Williamsburg Bridge Plaza & directly to LGA won't cut it.... Running the route from Downtown to Williamsburg locally, then nonstop to LGA won't cut it either.... For a Brooklyn to LGA route to garner enough riders to have it run that frequently, it's gonna have to be some sort of LTD interborough type route (like a Q44)..... And it's gonna have to have a bigger reach in Brooklyn than Williamsburg, coming from the north......

If the BQE won't do for a Brooklyn to LGA route, here's my new proposal:

 

B80: Limited-stop service between LaGuardia Airport, Queens, and Downtown Brooklyn via Jay St, Tillary St, Park Av, Williamsburg St, Rodney St (northbound), Marcy Av (southbound), Meeker Av, Kingsland Av (northbound), Monitor St (southbound), Greenpoint Av, 39 St, Northern Blvd, 49 St (northbound), 48 St (southbound), Astoria Blvd, and 23 Av (northbound). Makes only the following stops:

 

On Jay St:

Fulton Mall

Myrtle Promenade

 

On Park Av:

Vanderbilt Av

 

On Williamsburg St (northbound)/Classon Av (southbound):

Flushing Av

 

On Rodney St (northbound)/Marcy Av (southbound):

Broadway

Metropolitan Av

 

On Meeker Av:

Lorimer St

Graham Av

Kingsland Av

 

On Kingsland Av (northbound)/Monitor St (southbound):

Nassau Av

 

On Greenpoint Av:

Borden Av

 

On 39 St:

Queens Blvd

Steinway St/Northern Blvd

 

On 49 St (northbound) and 48 St (southbound):

Broadway

30 Av

 

On Astoria Blvd:

78 St

82 St

 

On 23 Av (northbound):

87 St

94 St

 

Then all stops in LaGuardia Airport

 

The B80 will operate from 6AM to midnight every 30 minutes.

The B80 will operate from 6AM to midnight every 30 minutes.

No, as it wouldn't get any ridership over there....

 

Look, Here's the problem...

You're way more focused with running buses nonstop, than you are with trying to establish a justifiable riderbase to the route.

 

No latent demand exists for a Brooklyn to LGA route, and the fact that the BQE is the most direct routing to LGA from the Williamsburg area, is a deterrent in & of itself....

 

Any route running from Brooklyn to LGA would have to resemble the structure of the B15 (meaning, serving multiple riderbases)...

Having the route terminate @ Williamsburg Bridge Plaza & directly to LGA won't cut it.... Running the route from Downtown to Williamsburg locally, then nonstop to LGA won't cut it either.... For a Brooklyn to LGA route to garner enough riders to have it run that frequently, it's gonna have to be some sort of LTD interborough type route (like a Q44)..... And it's gonna have to have a bigger reach in Brooklyn than Williamsburg, coming from the north......

If the BQE won't do for a Brooklyn to LGA route, here's my new proposal:

 

B80: Limited-stop service between LaGuardia Airport, Queens, and Downtown Brooklyn via Jay St, Tillary St, Park Av, Williamsburg St, Rodney St (northbound), Marcy Av (southbound), Meeker Av, Kingsland Av (northbound), Monitor St (southbound), Greenpoint Av, 39 St, Northern Blvd, 49 St (northbound), 48 St (southbound), Astoria Blvd, and 23 Av (northbound). Makes only the following stops:

 

On Jay St:

Fulton Mall

Myrtle Promenade

 

On Park Av:

Vanderbilt Av

 

On Williamsburg St (northbound)/Classon Av (southbound):

Flushing Av

 

On Rodney St (northbound)/Marcy Av (southbound):

Broadway

Metropolitan Av

 

On Meeker Av:

Lorimer St

Graham Av

Kingsland Av

 

On Kingsland Av (northbound)/Monitor St (southbound):

Nassau Av

 

On Greenpoint Av:

Borden Av

 

On 39 St:

Queens Blvd

Steinway St/Northern Blvd

 

On 49 St (northbound) and 48 St (southbound):

Broadway

30 Av

 

On Astoria Blvd:

78 St

82 St

 

On 23 Av (northbound):

87 St

94 St

 

Then all stops in LaGuardia Airport

 

The B80 will operate from 6AM to midnight every 30 minutes.

No, as it wouldn't get any ridership over there....

 

Look, Here's the problem...

You're way more focused with running buses nonstop, than you are with trying to establish a justifiable riderbase to the route.

 

No latent demand exists for a Brooklyn to LGA route, and the fact that the BQE is the most direct routing to LGA from the Williamsburg area, is a deterrent in & of itself....

 

Any route running from Brooklyn to LGA would have to resemble the structure of the B15 (meaning, serving multiple riderbases)...

Having the route terminate @ Williamsburg Bridge Plaza & directly to LGA won't cut it.... Running the route from Downtown to Williamsburg locally, then nonstop to LGA won't cut it either.... For a Brooklyn to LGA route to garner enough riders to have it run that frequently, it's gonna have to be some sort of LTD interborough type route (like a Q44)..... And it's gonna have to have a bigger reach in Brooklyn than Williamsburg, coming from the north......

If the BQE won't do for a Brooklyn to LGA route, here's my new proposal:

 

B80: Limited-stop service between LaGuardia Airport, Queens, and Downtown Brooklyn via Jay St, Tillary St, Park Av, Williamsburg St, Rodney St (northbound), Marcy Av (southbound), Meeker Av, Kingsland Av (northbound), Monitor St (southbound), Greenpoint Av, 39 St, Northern Blvd, 49 St (northbound), 48 St (southbound), Astoria Blvd, and 23 Av (northbound). Makes only the following stops:

 

On Jay St:

Fulton Mall

Myrtle Promenade

 

On Park Av:

Vanderbilt Av

 

On Williamsburg St (northbound)/Classon Av (southbound):

Flushing Av

 

On Rodney St (northbound)/Marcy Av (southbound):

Broadway

Metropolitan Av

 

On Meeker Av:

Lorimer St

Graham Av

Kingsland Av

 

On Kingsland Av (northbound)/Monitor St (southbound):

Nassau Av

 

On Greenpoint Av:

Borden Av

 

On 39 St:

Queens Blvd

Steinway St/Northern Blvd

 

On 49 St (northbound) and 48 St (southbound):

Broadway

30 Av

 

On Astoria Blvd:

78 St

82 St

 

On 23 Av (northbound):

87 St

94 St

 

Then all stops in LaGuardia Airport

Here's the B79 route map: https://mapsengine.google.com/map/edit?mid=zh758mgJc1tw.kNXF1J9fZFlw

and the B8A route map: https://mapsengine.google.com/map/edit?mid=zh758mgJc1tw.kqa_21O8cTaY

That reminds me, I'd reroute my previous B79 proposal as follows: via Bay Ridge Av (both directions west of 13 Av, eastbound east of 13 Av), 70 St (westbound), 20 Av, Av I, Coney Island Av, Av J, Bedford Av, Glenwood Rd, Albany Av, Av H, Ralph Av, Foster Av, Av D, and Rockaway Pkwy. Rerouting the bus to Foster Av will provide better access to Canarsie Plaza, which is a bit underserved. Rerouting the bus to Bay Ridge Av/70 St will streamline service in Bay Ridge and Borough Park and provide better access to the 71 St station. Also, rush hour buses will no longer terminate at Flatbush Av.

For this proposal, I decided to reroute the bus again. After Ralph Av, it will instead continue along Foster Av to Kings Hwy, then go via Kings Hwy, Av H, Flatbush Av, Foster Av again until reaching McDonald Av, then via McDonald Av until resuming its normal route from 20 Av onwards to Bay Ridge.

That reminds me, I'd reroute my previous B79 proposal as follows: via Bay Ridge Av (both directions west of 13 Av, eastbound east of 13 Av), 70 St (westbound), 20 Av, Av I, Coney Island Av, Av J, Bedford Av, Glenwood Rd, Albany Av, Av H, Ralph Av, Foster Av, Av D, and Rockaway Pkwy. Rerouting the bus to Foster Av will provide better access to Canarsie Plaza, which is a bit underserved. Rerouting the bus to Bay Ridge Av/70 St will streamline service in Bay Ridge and Borough Park and provide better access to the 71 St station. Also, rush hour buses will no longer terminate at Flatbush Av.

Would this proposal work, or would a B8A bus to the via Canarsie Plaza and the current B8 route work better?

If there is a route that should go from Bay Ridge to Canarsie---I would argue that it should be a B8 variant that operates via Canarsie Plaza, running between the 86 Street station and the Rockaway Parkway station, since the shopping center is a bit underserved, (The proposed BRT route that would run to JFK airport would also likely start in Bay Ridge and it should serve the same two points on a more southerly route.) That would also help to relieve the B1 a bit.

 

BTW, the real reason for cutting the B11 to Brooklyn College in 1990: it was so unreliable because the western portion of the route was often delayed. The B6 Canarsie-Midwood short turns are a legacy of that to this day.

That reminds me, I'd reroute my previous B79 proposal as follows: via Bay Ridge Av (both directions west of 13 Av, eastbound east of 13 Av), 70 St (westbound), 20 Av, Av I, Coney Island Av, Av J, Bedford Av, Glenwood Rd, Albany Av, Av H, Ralph Av, Foster Av, Av D, and Rockaway Pkwy. Rerouting the bus to Foster Av will provide better access to Canarsie Plaza, which is a bit underserved. Rerouting the bus to Bay Ridge Av/70 St will streamline service in Bay Ridge and Borough Park and provide better access to the 71 St station. Also, rush hour buses will no longer terminate at Flatbush Av.

The Bx18 bus has had unbelievably low ridership, but why didn't the MTA kill it during the 2010 budget cuts?

No, as it wouldn't get any ridership over there....

 

Look, Here's the problem...

You're way more focused with running buses nonstop, than you are with trying to establish a justifiable riderbase to the route.

 

No latent demand exists for a Brooklyn to LGA route, and the fact that the BQE is the most direct routing to LGA from the Williamsburg area, is a deterrent in & of itself....

 

Any route running from Brooklyn to LGA would have to resemble the structure of the B15 (meaning, serving multiple riderbases)...

Having the route terminate @ Williamsburg Bridge Plaza & directly to LGA won't cut it.... Running the route from Downtown to Williamsburg locally, then nonstop to LGA won't cut it either.... For a Brooklyn to LGA route to garner enough riders to have it run that frequently, it's gonna have to be some sort of LTD interborough type route (like a Q44)..... And it's gonna have to have a bigger reach in Brooklyn than Williamsburg, coming from the north......

I give up...

Laurel Hill Blvd runs through cementary/industrial zones(western half) & residential

areas (western half). The two primary routes in

that area are the Q67 and Q39. On the

weekends, ridership is almost non-existent

(except for those who use the Q67 to UPS).

Your route would utilize Laurel Hill Blvd in the

eastern half, so ridership would be non-existent. This would also mean you'd have to

meander through local streets in Woodside if

you want to get back on the BQE. At this point, I

dont think anyone would like that.

So it would be better to run the bus nonstop between Kingsland/Meeker Avs and LGA--in other words, it will exit out the BQE at 48 St, run via Laurel Hill Blvd to Queens Blvd, and then re-enter the BQE via 65 Pl making no stops along the way. In fact, 65 Pl and Queens Blvd would be the only streets used to re-enter the BQE.

Just saw this post...

 

If it's too limited? You can't get anymore limited than serving one stop in an entire borough!

(which isn't even a hub btw... Williamsburg Bridge Plaza is nothing more than a bus terminal; people seem to fail to consider that...)

 

Anyway, what you mention in this post is more or less a B62 variant that'd run to LGA after Williamsburg, after having came from Downtow Brooklyn.... Yeah, that's better than a point to point route b/w WBP & LGA, but then the next question becomes - How much demand is there b/w Brooklyn & LGA enough to have a bus route running nonstop b/w Williamsburg & LGA? I honestly don't think any exists, to be perfectly honest.... The fact that there's no current route running to LGA that connects to the in Brooklyn, doesn't mean there's latent demand for such a bus route.....

 

BM5 already made the point regarding BQE traffic being a deterrent to ridership.....

You have to come up w/ a route that would spawn (and have) sustainable ridership throughout the span (of service) it would operate.... You're talking about operating the thing 18/7 (18 hrs/7 days a week) every 15 mins during the rush & every half-hour all other times.... That in & of itself is much too much service throughout the day.....

Would it be better if the bus made stops along Laurel Hill Blvd in Queens?

BM5 Woodhaven is making a sticking point about BQE traffic, but I see a much larger problem....

 

Emboldened, is the problem with your idea right there..... There is no need for a bus route in our system for this specific purpose - You use the term "direct", but that is a complete understatement.... Your route is not only direct, but it's a point to point route between Williamsburg Bridge Plaza & LGA.... This requires Brooklyn riders to have to make their way to WBP to get to the airport (which can be a pain in the ass, being that the Nassau st line is rather isolated from a lot of Brooklyn, and you have the service areas of the B44, B46, and B60)....

 

I see a route like this carrying air for most of the day... It doesn't reach enough people; the catchment area in Brooklyn is too limited......

If you're saying the route's coverage in Brooklyn is too limited, would it be better if I extended it to Downtown Brooklyn along Williamsburg St and Park Av? (It will make only the following stops along these streets: on Williamsburg St: Nostrand Av, Lee Av, Flushing Av; on Park Av: Washington Av, Navy St; on Jay St: Myrtle Promenade, Fulton Mall; on Smith St: Livingston St)

In keeping with M60 and Q70, your new route should be the B80.

I'll change the designation to B80

Oh no...

What's wrong?

What im saying is that, I dont think this route should exist. Just take the train to the Q70, M60, Q48, or Q47. It would be too unrelaible, and I doubt theres a Hugo demanda from that area to LGA.

The takes too long to reach the Q70 because it first must pass through Manhattan to go to Jackson Heights. Also, there are no buses to LGA that are reachable from the and trains. If you're saying the BQE is unreliable, I would reroute the bus to Laurel Hill Blvd in Queens south of Queens Blvd, but I will still run it nonstop to LGA.