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Really guys...the R179s are not even here yet and it's already been said that the R32s and R42s will last into 2022...

What makes you guys think the R32s would be moved elsewhere when almost all R179s will be in four-car sets to replace them? You want to keep things as simple to comprehend as possible. If there's a delay in the R179 order, which explains why the plans to keep the remaining R32s and R42s into 2022, chances are the R179s won't be delivered in time, no?

Never mind.

Because I posted it after Mysterious train showed me. Why you always be attacking people?

Now you just contradicted yourself...

Okay so you posted it after he showed it to you...and your point is? I was confused at the recent posts in this thread (most notably your response to DJ Hammers when you called him out for trolling), so I wanted to clarify the matter.

Now I know you're trolling because you saw me post it on Facebook yesterday afternoon

Posted what? The same document (that talks about the R32s' extended lives)? That's exactly what Mysterious train posted. But then you had the nerve to say that there was no document that stated that. That's what DJ Hammers was also trying to tell you: that there is a document that stated that.

You just now said that you yourself posted it on Facebook yesterday afternoon, right? Then I assume you knew about it before Mysterious train did and posted in this thread. Going by that logic, why did you yourself say that Mysterious train was wrong then?

So maybe it's you who's trolling.

The R32s are probably going to get new motors from older trains as part of the SMS I remember that's what they did with the R38s back in the early 2000s but there is nothing wrong with them structurally

The propulsion motor systems on the 32s, 68s, 68As and even the 62As already have different sounds because of SMS that they've received in the early 2010s. 

The R32's and R42's been through several SMS's. Last I've heard the MTA could retire the R42's but it will cause a problem with the spare factor at the yard. I'm sure 207 could spare a set or two to ENY.

Or they could run more Q56 service in place of the lost sets.

Of course not.

They still had R32's on the . Thought that ended two years ago.

Man how I loved the / summer swap in both 2011 and 2012 for obvious reasons (take a look at my posts in the Proposal Thread if you want), but not just for an RFW. Unfortunately, they didn't have enough R32s to cover half of the 's fleet, which is why some R42s from ENY had to run on the (some other times it was some R46s from Jamaica or Pitkin itself), which cause the spare ratio to lower at those facilities. That's part of the reason why those 2011 and 2012 summer swaps are long gone now.

It's a shame that the can't be permanently full-length either for that very reason. And the would have been better off using 60 feet cars like the , and lines. Just my take.

The R42s won't last structurally I'm kind of excited that this R179 order is delayed

Well that's where SMS comes in or at least, just regular everyday maintenance/inspection. As long as the R179s aren't here, R32s and R42s can't leave. Otherwise, there won't be enough trains for service and/or spares.

Any word on the R42s?

Same thing too. Remember that the R42s are a small fleet, so not everybody (myself included) mentions much about them, figuratively speaking. The R42s, like the R32s, will still be replaced by the R179s in general, however.

I was reading an MTA document, and in case anyone didn't know, it is NOW comfirmed that the R32s are not gonna be fully retired until 2022 the earliest due to the delay of the R179 cars, and increased revenue service fleet requirements (most likely for Second Avenue and/or the when they start service). So it is a possibility that the R32s could live to be 60 years old. At this point, I feel that the R32s need to be separated to different yards to see the least service possible.

http://web.mta.info/mta/budget/july2015.html

Check volume 2 and go to page 387.

Well I'll be damn lol.

Yeah they are strong but im sure it is costing the more to keep those trains operating good. They had to move the R32's to ENY to cut the cost down because the A/C units would always fail being underground all the time. The newer R160's don't have that problem a lot when they are running on the or . Yeah I know they switch to the but the outdoor portion is all the way in Brooklyn from Queens. If lets say for example the R32's were moved to Jamaica they would have to strictly be on the only but they would still have problems. I guess they could work on the and since both terminals are outdoors but the and spend almost its entire route outdoors minus Manhattan and the two Jamaica stations.

Having the R32s on a line that runs express and also, has a long outdoor section (not just running express underground), isn't too far off...at least the line runs express on the Queens Boulevard Line and has an outdoor section in Brooklyn. But the issue is the alternates between Kings Highway and Coney Island, as well as its frequency. That's it. Not that I'm saying they should run on the line though. I don't think the is the only line that's perfect for the remaining R32s anyway IMO.

Just a note about my New York City Subway rolling stock history change:

When it's nearly time for the entire Flushing Line to be fully automated with CBTC and ATO, I'll consider doing the / swap. Good thing the entire R62 and R62A fleets are both in 5-car sets in my NYCS rolling stock history change.

In reality, however, I've read up somewhere in this forum (can't recall the exact thread) about 3 years ago (when I joined this site) that the NTTs couldn't go onto the because Corona Facility wasn't able to maintain NTTs and Corona Facility wasn't upgraded at the time either. And yes, it was also because the is 11-cars (in reality), which is the #1 reason why there were sent to Jerome and Westchester over Corona.

http://New York City Subway services (RollOverTheFloor)

Give the above link a read if you guys want. Everything is virtually the same. I plan on doing some changes to that article sooner or later. Also, keep in mind that I've lowered the 's off-peak frequencies from 9 tph to 6 tph, primarily because of the R32s on the line.

It does make sense the can be delayed if the goes to 2 ave look at the review of line service from back in 2009 and read how service was part of the reason why the was prone to delays and get back to me

Didn't the ran less frequently like the current does though? I doubt the was delayed by trains originating/terminating at 2 Av.

Who gives a shit about the

 

Please stay on topic

Well I don't blame them for what they said to Javier though. But to keep this thread on track, I was on a crowded train during the middle of the day when I got on at Alabama and heading towards Fulton. Obviously ridership is growing along the Jamaica Line, as everywhere else in the entire subway system (as everybody in this site says), or maybe the train was late. I hate the fact that I always see an R32 deadheading all the way from Jamaica Center to the East New York yard/shop and I sometimes wait like 8 minutes before a train arrives on the Manhattan-bound track. Are those dispatchers still removing an SMEE train from service at Jamaica Center regardless that the line is mostly SMEE or what? I'm confused.... Whenever the is mostly NTT, they never remove them from service at all. Yes, I've seen/notice this.

I ride the almost everyday and I'm not even sure if that R143 is still there. Haven't seen it since like...Monday. Not like I care anyway, nor do I plan on waiting/hunting for it at all either. R143s and R160s are almost the same, so yeah. I also don't see how is this even special enough for people to wait/hunt for it. I understand if it was actually your train as you just came on the platform and waited like 10+ minutes or below.

I'm pretty sure every line in the system is eventually getting CBTC installments

It'll take decades actually, but yes, CBTC will eventually be installed throughout the entire New York City Subway.

As long as the age of the signalling system on a New York City Subway corridor is new, don't expect CBTC on said corridor until years later. Remember that the only reason why the IRT Flushing Line is having CBTC installed is because the age of the signalling system is the oldest than all other corridors. If I'm not mistaken, all the other IRT corridors had their signalling systems replaced in the 1950's and in the 1960's, but Flushing never had its signaling system replaced (?). The Flushing Line being isolated like the Canarsie Line is also the reason for CBTC.

After Flushing CBTC is finished, the Queens Boulevard will have the oldest signalling system, which will need replacing too and its CBTC won't be fully operational for years. It's the same as Canarsie (formerly) and Flushing (currently) went through/are going through with all the constant weekend and/or overnight shutdowns.

Exactly. And by taking a few more local stops away, that's less dwelling. If you combine the effect of exposing trains to more stations and more crowds, and the delays at Church Avenue and Coney Island, then that’s worse than only the delays at Church Avenue and Coney Island, no?

You sure as hell got that right "no". You are completely wrong, my friend...the runs very frequently (12-15 tph at rush hour and 9 tph midday/evening). The issue is Church Avenue and Coney Island. It takes 5 minutes for a train to fumigated at Church Avenue. At the same time, there can be two other trains at the relay. And since the diamond X switch is located in the middle between West 8th and Stillwell, an arriving train coming into West 8th has to wait until one of the two other trains leave Stillwell and clear the switch. So the is delayed at most 5 minutes twice (one at Church and again at West 8th). So that's an additional 10 minute wait or so for an train coming into Stillwell give or take. So don't make that up. The is even more late if the other 3 lines (that it interacts with along its run) is late too.

So I guess the is always delayed because of all the stops it makes like the and ? That makes no sense. The I can understand, because of the , and (if those three other lines are running behind schedule). You yourself even said so a couple of pages back - the bottlenecks at Queens Plaza, the 60th Street Tube and Prince Street. But the and ? No. They don't interact with any other lines along their runs and they run very frequently. Your chances of delays on those two IRT lines are minimum at best, unless the terminals can't handle all that high number of trains. I don't know why you like "express" trains so much anyway...there's nothing wrong with the staying local east of 71st Avenue. If the line gets extended further east beyond 179th Street, chances are you would relieve crowding and delays on the local buses in the area. Plus, anybody going to Manhattan or from Manhattan would no longer have to rely on the local buses that would give them a good half-hour or so commute before arriving home or at the subway to take an express train to Manhattan. That's what I call more important than your "express". So what difference do you think running it express to Hillside is gonna change? Nothing.

And lastly, since you mention the train, I hope you know that the only reason why it suffers from so-called "overcrowding" is because it has both riders traveling within stops as well as it own riders traveling to Flatbush or more importantly, lower/upper WPR. They always have the and coming evenly apart or the coming right before the does, which is unacceptable.

Never mind...it's your own proposal for the subway system anyway. What do I care?

I think CenSin meant on Queens Boulevard.

But he said "main delays come from dwelling at stations".

Not good IMO. trains should have been the ones originating/terminating at Kings Hwy, so trains could have originated/terminated at Brighton Beach alone.

Service Change  Posted: 07/31/2015  6:17PM 
 

Due to FDNY activity at Coney Island-Stillwell Av, the following service changes are in effect:

There is no  train service between Brighton Beach and Coney Island-Stillwell Av.

Some southbound  trains terminate at DeKalb Av, Prospect Park, Kings Hwy or Brighton Beach.

 trains are running with delays in both directions.

As an alternative, customers can take the B68 bus.

Allow additional travel time.

Not if it runs express. The main delays come from dwelling at stations. The and/or can take on the local stops up to 179 Street.

What do you mean, CenSin? You would still have the same delays regardless - the fumigation and relaying of trains at Church Avenue, as well as that X diamond switch being located midway between West 8th Street and Stillwell Avenue. Hate it so much. The never runs on time anyway.

Wait, R143's can operate on non-CBTC lines?

If they couldn't, they would have never been on the as they are now...

I know. This goes to the R62/62A, right? Because sometimes, some T/O's don't like it. :/

I wouldn't say those cars though. Just the 32s and 42s.

Oh, and is it okay to do RFW's on the subway? Just checking...

Of course you can. Why not? It's just a front view of the window lol.

I knew it I said that they probably will a couple months ago and see what happened

Yeah, I do apologize for overacting.

But anyways, at least we get to see R32s on the Queens Boulevard Line again.

Thanks.