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2 hours ago, 46Dover said:

What's going on with the Gladstone Branch?  Every time I turn around, they're randomly shutting it down?

The retaining wall at Summit is crumbling.

Sorry, I misread what you meant - I expect such programs will be created only when the R211S is delivered, and probably only for R211 trains.

(I am very suspicious of the idea that any LIRR or MNRR programs would be available on NTTs, since they cannot legally carry passengers on railway track.)

16 hours ago, Around the Horn said:

I'm pretty sure the answer to this is no, but I'll ask it anyway...

Does anyone know if some sort of NTT programs exist for the Staten Island Railway?

R211S

Oh ok

 

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What if a category 4 or 5 hurricane hit New York causing it to be rebuilt entirely and the subway system was chosen first to rebuild by Cuomo, DeBlasio, Trump, etc.. The citizens of New York, the MTA, and engineers from all other agencies are chosen to rebuild the Subway. How and where would rebuild it???

 

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Now before anyone says this is stupid, just answer the question first

 

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Sorry, no can do. This is stupid, this thread is for realistic short-turn service disruptions.

Some of these stations are not connected. That sign is misleading.

 

Park Place = World Trade Center = Chambers (Church) St.

Fulton Street <=> Cortlandt St <=> South Ferry / Whitehall St.

 

Not only is this station a difficult transfer spot, it's even more difficult because people (especially tourists) think they are connected.

 

This could work well in conjunction with the Q72 which stops right underneath.

(I bolded the part of your comment that best fits with my reply).

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My impression has always been that the purpose of the skip stop service is to reduce the time for Jamaica to FiDi travel by enough that some ridership will shift from the (packed) QBL express.

I have previously noted my idea of connecting the Brighton Line to the Myrtle Avenue Line that would include rebuilding the upper level of Myrtle Avenue for train service as well as a small stretch of the old Myrtle EL south of Broadway that would include a stop at Sumner Avenue the old Myrtle EL did, then with a transfer to the at most likely Bedford-Nostrand before going over a rebuilt (to two tracks) Franklin shuttle line (with 600' platforms) this new line would absorb and serving as a 24/7 Brighton Local (as most likely a "Black " train) to Coney Island while the becomes a 24/7 Brighton Express to Brighton Beach and the becomes a second Brighton local on weekdays to Coney Island.  Such to me would if nothing else serve the original principles of locals within the boroughs and Expresses to Manhattan (other than the on weekdays in this format). 

Please, no. This "original principle" was discovered NOT to be satisfactory, since a huge number of trips from local stations go to Manhattan. This is why there is no service to Court St (transit museum), why G trains were dropped in favor of M trains in Queens, and why the Franklin Avenue line was converted to a shuttle in the first place. There is very little demand between the Myrtle Avenue corridor and the Brighton line compared to the demand between either and Manhattan.

The Fulton Center now lists the following lines on all of its signage:

 

Pics?

On which platform would the Brooklyn-bound train change ends at Wall Street?

The northbound, if I remember correctly. dj hammers has a video of it.

Yes, they run around the old south ferry loops to wall street and change ends there.

 

Also: if you're increasing service for the shutdown, you probably don't want to be terminating trains at 2nd avenue...

You misread - he means, during L shutdown, run additional Myrtle trains to 2nd and 96th. Not 2nd and Houston.

I'd imagine those trains went out of service at Jay St and relayed using the lower level of Bergen St. Turning trains on the upper level during the rush hour would be impossible.

You might imagine that, but there is no connection from the crosstown to bergen lower level.

I said to reconnect it to the SAS AT FULTON

 

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That still doesn't solve the physical constraints preventing a connection between Nassau and Second at any latitude. Myself and other posters are not making this up - go read the EIS where this idea was rightfully dismissed!

Seems like a fine idea, but I'll play the devil's advocate. How many more people do you want to cram under Park Ave between 14th and 42nd streets If you want to build Utica, I think it makes more sense to split off Fulton - though that has capacity issues that might be difficult to solve before a potential SAS phase 4 tunnel from Water St to Schermerhorn St.

Suppose this was built - I think it should be at least built to IND standards pending platform shaving (like the Pelham line) for potential future connection to Fulton Street, and with appropriate bellmouths. But building it to Eastern Parkway for now seems smart.

I said that I'm replacing the with the Second Avenue Subway starting at Fulton Street the. Continue south

 

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And he explained why that's a terrible idea. The Nassau Street line won't see high ridership no matter what you put on it - because it's surrounded by other lines. By comparison, a Water Street subway would draw new riders. Please read the EIS, they got this one right.

As has been covered before, repeatedly, it would also be difficult to connect the Nassau St line to the Second Avenue Subway. We live in a three dimensional world, and the relative heights of the two lines won't match up, to say nothing of the sharp curves that would be needed.

And, uh, what happens to 145th and Harlem-148th?

He said... 2 and 3 would run to a new, full-size 145th station which replaces 148th. (I'm unsure if this would go over well with those who live near the west end of 148th.)

No such options exist to be cancelled, the order is a fixed size with no options.

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That makes sense, only I would support simply having split terminals with one common Designation, and having it be a weekday only line.

 

I do believe that with the under long term constrcution, additional service from Williamsburg to Midtown would be welcome. Maybe just add 4-5 TPH up SAS.

 

Any extra service that Metroploitan Ave couldn't handle could terminate in 2nd Ave/Houston or Broadway Junction.

Weekend (and late night iirc) M will run to 96/2 during Canarsie tube shutdown.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of the increased M service at peak and midday went to 96/2 to alleviate the 71st conga line.

R68OnBroadway's H also might not run on any Manhattan trunk, it could terminate at Forest Hills. As previously covered, there is not enough track capacity to run another QBL service to any Manhattan trunk.

If you could supplement QBL with additional local service, it wouldn't be the G. We've been through this, it doesn't make sense. Just run H on 6th Ave Manhattan to 2nd Ave F to terminate or some such. If you really want, you could make it a Culver Local service to Church and run some F trains express at peak, since you seem to be so interested in using every track in the system.

That's not how it works at all...

What if we combine LGA Link N's proposal with the proposal to send more N to 2 Ave and increase W frequency? They no longer need to terminate at Whitehall. (This really belongs more in a different thread).

B and D trains run up 2nd Ave and Q trains run via B in manhattan. A and D shuttles local from terminals to 145.

A runs via E to Queens Plaza, local to Jamaica/179. Some F trains run express the whole way in Queens. C train cancelled, E replaces C in Brooklyn. (Some C sets run E trains.)

W cancelled. N and R terminate at 57th. Shuttle from Queensboro Plaza to Astoria.

Some 5 trains via 7th Avenue to increase west side service.

if the F from 63rd to Queens is also out, some F via G running local in Queens all the way to 179th and A running express in Queens, with some F trains terminating at 63rd northbound.

Did I forget anything?

What if the Chrystie Street connection was rebuilt to make room for the Second Avenue subway

 

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You mean like this? http://www.vanshnookenraggen.com/_index/2017/05/the-future-of-the-2nd-avenue-subway/