A Former New Yorker

On 10/7/2017 at 9:25 PM, go25 said:

At this point, I would endorse regulation.

 

Also of they stink so bad as people say they do, how come I don't see people complaining about the odors coming from the Greater Newark buses??????

IDK 

On 10/1/2017 at 10:38 AM, Phil Plotch said:

Another reason why jitneys are hated:  Some people think that jitneys exacerbate traffic conditions.  They don't understand that jitneys take cars off the road.

I Understand That Some People Rather Take The Jitneys That The NJT Buses Or Drive But IMO The Jitneys Are Really Sketchy Especially With There Business Pratices (Bergenline and PABT-Paterson Lines Do That Alot Supposedly) Yes Buses Do Put Less Cars On The Streets But The Fact Is That Most If Not All  Jitneys Are Unregulated,Poorly Maintained and Clog Up Traffic Especially In Union City and Break Many Traffic Laws. Every Time I Ride The #108 To New York And Back There Every Time A Jitney Is In Front Stopping Near The Corner Or Bus Stop Picking Up As Many Passengers It Can. Blocking Off Traffic At 30nd/31st St. The Only Good Thing About The Jitney Is That They Provide Decent Competition With The NJT Routes. Maybe If They Get Regulated Or NJT Increase The Frequency On The Routes That The Jitney Compete With The Jitney Wouldn't Would Have A Bad Reputation As They Have Now

It was the same case back in July when the was only running from 86th Street to Flatbush. They had enough R142 cars on the line and the didn't borrow anything that weekend.

How Is The Upcoming Train Service Change On October 7-9 From Grand Central To Flatbush Av Going To Work There Isn't Really An Yard For Serive Besides Livonia Yard Are Trains Going To Use Train Cars

I mean, you got the section in Fair Lawn (the jitneys just run straight across Route 4) and it's not like the #171 has particularly low ridership. Some people do prefer the bus, or may find it cheaper than the jitneys if they need to transfer or have a monthly pass so I do think some service should run (also, the #171 runs a little later. I think the jitneys only run until around midnight, whereas the #171 has one final run at 1:15AM).

Right, but that costs money to run 4-6 times more service than is presently run (the #171 runs every 40-60 minutes IIRC). If the jitneys provide adequate transit service along that corridor, why should NJT bother?

 

The only perspective where I can see it being an issue of "fairness" would be for somebody holding a monthly pass (say, somebody who takes another bus to Downtown Paterson to transfer to the Garden State Plaza, where they have to choose between waiting for the infrequent NJT bus or paying extra to take the jitney.

Good things come to those who wait...except people have places to be (work, school, etc) and don't have all day to wait for an NJT bus. I've had to work along Route 4 and when faced between having to take the #171 or the jitneys, I chose the jitneys every time.

Union Av Route: Goes From Newark Penn Station To Broad St And Down Bloomfield Ave and Then Straight Up Mt Prospect Ave/Union Av To Centre St. Buses Go Through The Big Tree Garage Loop From Centre St Buses Run Every 7-8 Min Rush Hour Every 15 Min Midday/Weekends This Route Will Provide North Newark/Belleville/Nutley Passengers A One Seat Ride To NWK Penn Sta This Route Uses Neoplans

Would I Bergen/1st St Route Work It Runs From Bergen St/Chancellor Av To 1st St/Park Av It Runs Every 10 Min Rush Hour And Every 30 Min Middays/Weekends

that one would be long as hell some how you still have to pass newark

Didn't they propose something similar and they said no?

The Hudson-Essex Light Rail Will Consist Our One Line The Orange Line Which Runs From Maplewood To The Heights In Jersey City

Stops:

Valley St

43rd St

Myrtle Av

S 18 St

S 10 St

Bergen St

Astor St

Market St

Newark Penn Station

Jackson St

Magazine St

RT 440 Shopping Ctr

West Side Ave

Journal Square

Congress St

Also Trains Usually Run Every 5-7 Min And Every 15 Min Middays/Weekends With Newark Flyers Stopping At Valley St,43rd St,Myrtle Av,Bergen St,Market St,Newark Penn Station,RT 440 Shopping Ctr and Journal Square Trains Consist Of 2 Cars

I Saw The Sign Of Sex Money Murda On The 70 Once Should I Be Worried

First of all, don't strawman me to death..... Misquoting me, then going off on some wild tangent......

 

Secondly, you're not refuting anything whatsoever by telling me that you were on a packed #108 with 3 standees, when I said the riderbase of the route was narrow.... It's irrelevant....

 

Lastly, there are a couple of NJT routes that have narrow riderbases & get decent or better ridership...

Point to point routes like the #111, #308, #319 b/w AC & PABT, & the #551 get a great deal of ridership, given their narrow(er) riderbases....

 

* riderbase = defines the area(s) & the number of stops in those areas where passengers are boarding/alighting buses...

Where the riders are coming from; the "basis" of the ridership.

* ridership =  defines the actual passengers.

 

 

 

Thank you.

He didn't say the ridership was low. He said the riderbase was narrow. There's a difference. Right now, it only serves a few neighborhoods in Newark (Downtown, Ironbound, and Seventh Avenue), whereas he's saying it would get more ridership if it were extended further west, and let the PATH cover the areas near Downtown Newark.

Never cared for the #108; riderbase is too narrow & it does not help that it serves Newark-Penn, where too many are gunning for the PATH into the city....

 

Outside of how DeCamp #44 serves Bloomfield (back-doors it), I can agree to running 108's to Bloomfield... However, I would simply have it running along Bloomfield av.... It would take the turnpike to 280 (which is what the 107x does btw) & serve the Pavilion apartments (which would the 1st stop), before serving Bloomfield av...

 

Only question I'd have is, where should it end exactly; dead at Bloomfield rail (w/ the GO bus 28), or somewhere up along Broad w/i Bloomfield......

 

Speaking of Bloomfield... I wonder how an ex co-worker of mine is doing over there at Troy Towers....

The 108 Trip I'm Currently On To Newark Is Full 3 People Are Standing Up So That Breaks Your "Ridership Is Narrow" Statement Also The 108's Passengers Mostly Go Up To Union City Leaving Very Few People To PABT. Now Do I Think The 108 Needs To Be Extended Yes. But For What It's Worth It's Ok. The Bus Is A Great Alternative To The PATH Which Is Completely Shit On Weekends. What If The PATH Is Shut Down For Weekends Work Or Something Like That How Will People Get To NYC. Again For A Route That Runs Every Hour It Does A Decent Job

I Think NJ Transit Should Used Neoplans On Routes Other Than The 13,39. Have 3 Neoplans From Big Tree Run The First Three 99 Belleville Trips. Hilton Should Runs 3 Neoplans On The 25 and 1 27B Trip

I Looked The Newark Bus Study and I Found Some Routes To Use: University Hospital To EWR Via Ironbound,Bayonne To EWR Terminals Via North Area Transit Ctr, Journal Square to North Area Transit Ctr via West Side Av & EWR Terminals, Newark Penn Sta To Marriott Hotel, Jersey Gardens To Clarkson Av and Arnett St via North Av/IKEA.

 make it run via hoboken and keep the 126 between PABT and hoboken

Does The 126 Still Keeps It's 11th/Clinton Trips

Would A Hamilton Park-JSQ Route Work. The 126 Doesn't Serve That Area On Middays/Weekends It Mainly Runs Via Newark Av

Why Does The M100 Uses Ariculated Buses On Occasion

I Have An Proposal: 

 

51: Runs From Woodcliff Av And Anderson Av Down Blvd East To 14th St and Willow Av Runs Down 11th/Clinton (Willow For Journal Sq Bound Clinton For North Bergen) Turns On Newark St To Observer Hwy To Palisade Av Down To Newark Av Then Goes The 80 Way To Journal Sq Some Trips Serve Hamilton Park It Can Easy Crowding On The 126,128,165 and 166 Buses By Redirecting Those Passengers To The PATH

The Headways Are Every 12 Min For Rush Hour There Also The Hamilton Park Trips Start At 7:00 Am and 8:00 Am and 5:30 and 6:30 PM

I Have An Proposal: 

51: Runs From Woodcliff Av And Anderson Av Down Blvd East To 14th St and Willow Av Runs Down 11th/Clinton (Willow For Journal Sq Bound Clinton For North Bergen) Turns On Newark St To Observer Hwy To Palisade Av Down To Newark Av Then Goes The 80 Way To Journal Sq Some Trips Serve Hamilton Park It Can Easy Crowding On The 126,128,165 and 166 Buses By Redirecting Those Passengers To The PATH

What Are Some Upcoming SBS Routes I Want To Ride The Original Before They Become SBS

I Think 5966 Is An Ironbound Bus Saw It On The 59 and 66