subwaycommuter1983

10 hours ago, U-BahnNYC said:

Wouldn't it make more sense for to get R160s on top of R32s and make the nearly all R179? I don't see why a small handful of R179s need to go to the especially since CI already manages so many R160s.

In the event that the r68s get displaced  from the G, due to NTT'S  or r32s, those displaced r68s cars can be added to the B. The B needs extra trains during rush hour, especially in the Bronx, where the D runs express during rush hour, and there are big gaps between B trains causing very long waits and overcrowding especially on 145th Street. Either the MTA adds more trains to the B or the D runs local 24/7 in the Bronx. 

7 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

 

Yup this right here confirms that the in fact would get some R32's to supplement those 8 car R179's If the gets the R179's . 132 cars is 16.5 sets, I know the runs about 13 sets but that will increase once the shutdown begins or before it. CIY would need about 64 R32's to supplement the 4 sets on the road and the rest for spares and service.

I'm not surprised that the G gets r32s and if the G does get NTT is going to be 8 car trains. 

All 12 10 car r179's must go to the A and/or C trains and all A and C train riders need to demand that these cars go to either or both lines. 

I just saw the video and it mentions that all r179's will be CBTC and they're forecasting a delivery completion by February 2019, 2 months before the Canarsie tunnel shuts down.

Fingers crossed!!!

3 minutes ago, Around the Horn said:

How about 8 to the and 4 to the ?

196 is just enough to give the 64 cars and the 132.

Now that we officially have a  surplus of trains, it does make sense to have some sets go to the G, but the r68s need to go to the B,  which needs more trains, especially during PM rush hour. 

11 minutes ago, trainfan22 said:

Please have all 12 sets go to the  &  lines  I do want the  to get factory fresh new cars but also I kinda want all 12 sets to go to the  , I'm torn.

I totally agree. It can also go half and half. 6 trains to the and 6 to the C.

I noticed that some of you mentioned in previous posts about recoupling some r179's. Will that work with the r160s??

12 minutes ago, Fan Railer said:

Rumor undebunked? 

Definitely. That means we should start preparing those swan songs for the r42s and even some r32s. With those extra NTT's, I don't think we need so many of these old trains. 

That's good news. I just hope that these 12 10 car trains go to the A or the C. This quantity represents most of the C fleet or half of the A fleet.

4 hours ago, JayJay85 said:

I do believe that some of 4car sets of R179 was modify and changed to 5car sets the ones that wasn't built yet, it makes sense.

I made some calculations and this may be the possible outcome of the r179's if the rumors are true. 

5 car sets=18 trains=180 cars

4 car sets=15 trains=120 cars 

Total=                          300 cars  

Those 15 8-car trains plus the 8-car r160s that are currently on the C, J, Z will be enough for the J, Z and possibly the M.

Those 18 10-car trains can go to the A, or  the C or both.

1 hour ago, VIP said:

Great, we have a surplus of 8-car NTT’s! I can see them making a statement and assigning the 8-car sets to the  anyway. 

That was the  original plan. Plus, there are not enough r46s to run on both the A and C trains. Therefore It's going to be difficult and not feasible to make the C trains all full length The C might also keep some r160s as well. 

12 hours ago, MysteriousBtrain said:

In case anyone didn't hear:

There will be 36 1/2 trains for Service, which means 40 ten-car sets and 260 eight car sets. Did the math which meant 4+32.5, which makes 36 1/2 and also means the order was not modified.

Rumor debunked.

That is really bad news for A and C riders. I don't  know how the MTA is going to fix this mess. I just hope they get it right with the r211s. 

Speaking of NTT. NY1 is  saying that Kawasaki will build the r211s and that it will be a 1,600 car order.

1 hour ago, Fan Railer said:

All this pointless bickering and debating aside, 3096 & 3097 are being delivered tonight.

Thanks for sharing the information. 

1 hour ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

Obviously,  not everyone here agrees with the  MTA in terms of subway cars assignments.

However,  We all need to be respectful of each other's opinion whether we agree or disagree.

It's not our fault that the MTA can't keep up with providing adequate service in times were ridership is growing and subway fares are going up. The r179's mess is an example of the inefficiencies of the MTA.

Guys!! Please stop fighting!! We don't want this thread to be closed.

17 minutes ago, D to 96 St said:

When I mean by foamer, it means people just keep arguing about R32's endlessly EVEN after credible sources came in and provided us with info. 

And yes this "parody" was stupid, I CALLED IT STUPID for a reason. But all I gotta say is why even bother anymore? If no one can make a point, if we keep discussing, we just get divided after all of this. Even after I say, let's just stop and move on, it's still debated over R32's for NO reason. 

Obviously,  not everyone here agrees with the  MTA in terms of subway cars assignments.

However,  We all need to be respectful of each other's opinion whether we agree or disagree.

It's not our fault that the MTA can't keep up with providing adequate service in times were ridership is growing and subway fares are going up. The r179's mess is an example of the inefficiencies of the MTA.

5 minutes ago, Bosco said:

MTA logic.  Although VG8 is right, it seems to be the worst on the R46s.  I don't know if this has anything to do with it, but structurally those cars aren't doing too great.  As for the different flooring that Art mentioned, it has more of a matte look to it.  Not sure if the material itself is any different.

 

A proposal on this thread is to put them on the  since it could use an extra train or two and Coney Island might be operating R179s anyway assuming the  gets the 4-car sets.  This would bump some R160s back to Jamaica and then some R46s to the  or .  

IMHO, it seems the assignments are still up in the air as major service changes are imminent.  Plus, the reconfiguration of the contract is still a rumor.  And even if it is true, there's still at least a year to go for the bulk of the R179s to be in service (assuming no further issues).  A year's plenty of time for the MTA to change their minds, which they've been doing a lot of especially ever since Cuomo stepped in.  The R179s were booted from the  right before they would've started revenue testing--the same line that's been promised those trains since the contract was awarded.

If those reconfigurations don't happen, it will mean more bad news for A and C train riders. 

4 minutes ago, U-BahnNYC said:

Which line(s), if I may ask, have an actual greater need for 10-car R179s than the ? I'm no expert, but I can't think of any.

I agree. The original plan for the r179's is to have the 5 cars sets on the A train. 

It would be really unfair that those cars end on other lines that isn't the A or at least the C. This goes back to my previous post on favoritism. 

9 minutes ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

There's no favoritism. You can blame the hipsters and yuppies packing up the  train because they have to live in Manhattan, so they all run to Inwood, Washington Heights and so on. I hate that line.  It's especially horrible in the morning. I did it once coming from Riverdale... Never again. The train was slammed by the time we got to 181st.  I don't know what I did. May have even gotten off at 168th and transferred to the . The real problem is there is nothing else.... Just the  and the  and the  from 168th down.

What I mean with the favoritism is that everytime new subway cars come to the B division, they get placed in other subway lines, while all the old and unreliable cars are always dumped on the A and C trains. At least the C has some r160s, but who knows for how long. 

4 hours ago, Jemorie said:

The entire train is almost full by time it reaches Grant Avenue (not Utica Avenue) and remains that way till after leaving Columbus Circle on weekday mornings.

Yes, and the uptown A trains stay crowded all the way to 181 st during pm rush hour. 

The MTA needs to stop the favoritism with other subway lines and stop neglecting A and C train riders.

Those 5 car sets of r179's must go to the A train (with or without modifications on car configurations).

If the modifications do happen, some of the 5 cars sets of r179's can go to the C or they can all go to the A, while the C just has the r46s.

The r32s can go to the G train and the r68s that are currently on the G can stay on the G and just be recoupled into full length trains. 

40 minutes ago, U-BahnNYC said:

As a regular rider, I can attest to this. Crowds get unbearable mornings starting at Utica already with the new hipster flood there. Fulton is hell in the evening. It's THE longest line in the system and goes to many important places in NYC (Penn station, FiDi, the Village, Downtown Bklyn, etc). The desperately needs any NTT it can get and I think it would be foolish of the MTA to NOT assign 5-car R179s to it.

IMO, the R32s would do well on the during the shutdown, since it is a relatively short line and is largely underground, and only shares track with the briefly. Plus they'd be based at CIY, which seems to keep trains in good condition. 

So I guess what my two cents is... Any 5-car 179s go to / Pitkin, displacing some R46s (at minimum 4, perhaps as many as 10) for the . Then, the R32s from the go to CIY into service. This displaces the R68s from that line, and they are recoupled into 600ft long trains. These 6-7 R68s displace 6-7 R160s from the , which go to the / Jamaica Yard. Finally, Jamaica gives the 7 R46s to the . This should give the around 15 R46s total, the remaining fleet can be 10-car R32s only used during rush.

That may also work as well, especially during the Canarsie tunnel shutdown. 

Plus,  the A is a one seat ride to Manhattan whereas the G doesn't go to Manhattan and you need to transfer from the G to other trains to go to Manhattan, including the A and C trains.

In terms of NTT, the A and C needs to have more priority than the G.

13 minutes ago, Bill from Maspeth said:

You are wrong.  The R179 fleet will be numbered from 3010-3309.  3010-3049 will be in 5 car configuration and 3050-3309 will be in 4 car configuration.  No official word yet if the order will be modified to provide more 5 car sets.

https://www.nycsubway.org/wiki/Current_Fleet

The information on this website is not  necessarily up to date. As for the modifications it's just a matter of time whether or not it happens.

21 hours ago, VIP said:

Did anyone forget the R211’s?? Let the  and  have those while the  gets the “hand me down” R160A-1’s from East New York and the  becomes fully R179. The  was supposed to get the “86xx” A-1’s originally. The  and  will be just fine with R-46’s during the shutdown. 

There are not enough  r46s to run on both the A and C trains. That's why we've been seeing r32s and r68s running on the A even before the fleet swap last month. 

Also,  keep in mind that the ridership will increase on both lines during the Canarsie tunnel shut down.

The best and most logical thing to happen is for some of the 4 car configurations to be modified into 5 car sets.  If that actually happens, then most of the 5 cars sets should run on the C train, some of the 5 cars sets should  run on the A and the A keeps the r46s and maybe some r32s . The J and Z trains keep the 4 sets of r179's well as the r160s from both the C, J, and Z and the r32s can go to the G as well as the r68s from the A in addition to the r68s that are currently on the G.

5 minutes ago, Jemorie said:

That's BS. The is a full-time line and has more ridership than the (C). I think you just pulled that out of your ass lol. There's a reason why the has a 7-8 minute headway off-peak instead of 10 minutes like the (C). Hell, it's way more frequent than the during rush hours too and generally all times of the day.

Both trains need NTT regardless of which runs more. Both lines will have increased ridership when the Canarsie tunnel shuts down next year. 

2 hours ago, JayJay85 said:

I can see ENY getting 3050-3129 for 80 cars in 4car sets.

3010-3049, 3130-3309 to Pitkin and 207th for (some cars modify to 5cars) this could push some r32s to Coney island for services.

Yes. It's the most logical option.  The original plan was to for the r179's to run on the A, C, J and Z trains.  Any modifications to the order will allow this to happen and all 5 sets of r179's need to run on the A, and C, especially the C.

Notice that the C train has improved in terms of reliability due to the r160s. That's why the C in particular needs NTT whether it's the r160s or r179's. 

2 hours ago, Around the Horn said:

My guess would be:

 3050-3113 (64 cars-8 trains) 

 3114-3259 (136 cars-17 trains) 

 3010-3049, 3260-3309 (reconfigured ten car sets) (100 cars-10 trains)  

It may work.  The A, C needs NTT and  that  is the reason why a lot of these sets have been possibly modified into 5 car sets.  Yes, the C needs longer trains, but it also needs NTT.  It's pretty unfair that the A and C trains always have to stick with the oldest fleet in the system.

58 minutes ago, FLX9304 said:

Ok. here is my question here. Now since the R179s have done their test and their practice sessions with passengers, who or where will 3050-3309 go now? Bold predictions by you guys are accepted.

If some of the sets are modified to 5 car sets,  then they will still go to the A and C trains as originally planned.