Nova Fly Guy

3 hours ago, Around the Horn said:

207 Street Station or 207 Street yard?

207 station I believe 

15 minutes ago, BreeddekalbL said:

Who is your source?

My employer 

Got a surprise update 211A inaugural run will be March 9, 2023 From 1400-2100 starting from 207

1 hour ago, Kamen Rider said:

No. Because I heard it live over the radio as someone got caught doing that and got yelled at. The Q was operating on 6th Avenue as part of GO and someone rolled the lead sign to an orange Q. 34 Master was having none of it. 

No yellow Bravos either 🤣🤣

4 hours ago, FLX9304 said:

Um you’re wrong. From 1998 to 2003, when OH was closed for renovations, the M101 & M103 went to MV, while M102 went to WS (renamed Quill)

As for operation there are no straight runs anymore on the M102/103 everything is on the M101 paddle. What your speaking of was over ten year ago and is irrelevant in this conversation.

3 hours ago, KDGallagher said:

Think he’s referring to simply the proximity to the depot. M102 would make a lot of sense coming out of mch as well as the m86 out of tuskegee 

As for operation there are no straight runs anymore on the M102/103 everything is on the M101 paddle. What he speaks of was over ten year ago and is irrelevant in this conversation.

5 hours ago, Q43LTD said:

Most notably the and . Would have made sense to put them at 126, but it was a TA depot

The M86 Should be in OH and the M102 in MCH won’t happen the M101/102/103 are interlined.

37 minutes ago, MysteriousBtrain said:

So just to be clear, only M66 and M60 are moving? Everything else stays at their depots? I remember hearing of other movements, including the M79/86.

Correct the MCI parking was spilt between MJQ/OH to make more space on the Roof. The job is not suppose to go past the Summer Pick as it stands right now. The problem was MV didn’t have enough space to Take the M60/66, you would have to still send routes out of MV for 5443-5467.

1 minute ago, Ultimategamer12c said:

Is it permanent until Quill gets their roof top fixed or is it an official swap where the buses stay at those Depots for good ?

Both moves are to accommodate the Roof closure the M72 will not be moving. Both of the routes will go back to MJQ once the work is completed which it targeted for Summer Pick.

47 minutes ago, Nova Fly Guy said:

M66 officially on MV pick broad  

SBS60 To Hale 

M66 officially on MV pick broad  

On 2/17/2023 at 7:58 PM, Lawrence St said:

Half the B6*.
 

And I thought they were going to make the B82-SBS 7 days a week?

The B82 stated in UP but it grew overtime not enough space for the Both B6/82. As for the B6 I doubt that leave UP in any capacity too much money on the line. The only way I seen that slightly happening .

B45/65 ENY ->JG

B4/68 or B4/9 -> UP

B82/B82SBS -> UP

B6 -> ENY

On 2/18/2023 at 12:53 AM, Kingsbridgeviewer382 said:

Jamaica has 38 Xcelsiors at this time with 7701-05 supposedly at Flatbush.

7701 & 7702 are at FB

Good news RTO has start training on the 211A/T they start Road Training Tomorrow only the The 211A for now 😎

39 minutes ago, EastFlatbushLarry said:

the way things were explained to me (and it could be incorrect) is that employees who were hired before the creation of MaBSTOA (prior to 1962) and were then absorbed into MaBSTOA had to retire before any consolidated seniority list could be truly cultivated with NYCTA. IINM the acquisition of the Avenue B & East Broadway company by NY State (via MaBSTOA) also caused the merger process to be delayed (strictly from a workforce standpoint in regards to a "super" seniority list) 

i say all of that to highlight the uniqueness of the PBL/MTA Bus situation. there are current employees who were hired before the takeover whose contracts must be honored, and any new contracts procured by their union potentially may not be retroactive (hourly wage not included) as to create an easier avenue toward full TA/OA/Bus Co. consolidation. for example, the union contract Local 100 had with the city of New York in regards to Queens Surface Corp. & Liberty Lines Express were marginally different from each other AND from than the Local 100 contracts procured for Jamaica Buses, Triboro & NY Bus Service. there are certain nuances, practices & language that cause that to be the case. currently, the TA/OA/Bus Company contracts are supposed to be full parity across all brands, however they are non retroactive to my understanding. and furthermore, there are bus operators who worked for PBL's who shouldn't be penalized by losing seniority just for being employed by PBL's rather than NYCTA or MaBSTOA.

100%. you (and others such as VG8 via the Express Bus Advocacy Group) highlight exactly what I'm saying. it's been spoken about ad nauseum in regards to Spring Creek Depot and the atrocities going on at that yard from the BM's standpoint. i was deeply angered by the allowance of part time employment practices to be conducted at SC by ATU1181, simultaneously selling out their members and killing off-peak services (even on the B100 & 103... moreso the BM's & the 100) even tho management offers SC part timers full time employment at JFK/Far Rock after a years' time or whatever, that's beyond the point. you're reallocating resources because you intend on killing (or critically injuring) whatever SC provided. admittedly, they didn't need part timers to kill SC as a depot (definitely helped) all they needed were deviously concocted network redesigns. and if don't believe me, the brooklyn & queens redesigns spell it out imo. there are several depots (College Point for example) and neighborhoods (central/eastern Queens) that will be severely hit by losses to currently provided services, and it's deliberate. and what happens when you have more bus operators than you have work? forced relocations/retirements or layoffs/terminations. 

relatively speaking, it's not "expensive" for MTA to run Bus Company, since they're not footing the entire bill. however, they know (and knew back in 2005) that if there wasn't this "blank check" policy they have worked out with the city of New York, there wouldn't have been any takeover. if the state took over the PBL's outright, the service (and labor) cuts would've been (eventually) catastrophic. the state knows damn well that eventually this blank check policy with the city WILL end. that was the whole point in the first place: public transportation in NYC to be completely managed & funded by NY State. so, management has been (slowly) preparing for the inevitable: whittling down ALL services provided to a "manageable" financial number (labor costs, equipment, etc)

the goal since the takeover has been to cut as much service as they can legally get away with. the network redesigns are absolutely a part of that goal.

I’m tier 6 as of right now it’s a little bit of movement but still a ways to go. MTA Bus still can’t pick out but they have the same benefits package now and there multiplier are going up.

Hearing from RTO that Jamaica will be after Pitkin as the R160 are the favorites for CCYD. The ,  will share the R179/211A as the 211T are for  operators only currently.

1 hour ago, Future ENY OP said:

This is confirmed? 
Also, no OH swaps for SBS79 and SBS86. Quill keeping 79 and 86SBS?

Surprised that Quill didn’t give the 72 to MV also.  

The paper work was giving to the drivers today, old guys are not to happy about it so we will see if it changes. Most likely the overflow of Artics will be at MV for M60 pull outs.

You also have the 30 MCI at OHS in the Daytime from QNZ there is not enough space in OHS for additional routes.

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Subject to change as of now Spring Pick 23 the M66 to MV & SBS60 MCH to accommodate the roof repair.

7 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

That Artic is there for training and clearance testing in the case of a winter storm they can store buses there while loaning 40 footers.  They can't use 126th st anymore to store artics.

There trying to store up to 40 Artics for OHS snow duty might get 20-25 max in MV.

It’s projected to start Spring Pick Next year subject to change of course.

2 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

The bonnets look like they were JUST painted a few minutes before you took this picture.

 

Also, I think it is a yard-by-yard thing where some cars look efficient where others look like they're on their last legs and begging to be scrapped. Id say biggest caretakers of subway cars have been

1. Corona Yard (even with the R62As they had, they always ran great and looked as if they were washed regularly. This is probably since their cars are so isolated from the rest of the system and cannot be stored anywhere else.

2. Coney Island Yard  (pre-2020).  Their R68s/R68As and R160s were always in pretty clean aesthetic shape, even if their cars had lower MDBFs compared to other yards, but that is a product of the spare factors and the lines the cars had to run on (proportion of rush hour to non-rush hour service). 

3. Unionport/239 St Yard. The R142s on the  look as if they were just bought (aesthetic wise). I think mechanically they're also holding up quite well. What helps here again is the line demand for  service, and while the weekend  requires (on paper) more or less the same number of trains as weekday midday/evening hours, the  is a different story. Thee  is either  (a) reduced to every 20 minutes, (b) suspended (full or partial), or (c) the regular weekend service that is already cut back from Flatbush Av to Bowling Green and headways of 12 minutes compared to the rush hour headway of 4.5 minutes.

 

Worst offenders for subway  car cleanliness

1. Jerome Av Yard: The cars on the  look like they've never been clean (not even from the day of delivery. Mechanically, I think the R142/R142A's on the  actually have the lowest MDBF out of any NTT fleet. The issue is car availability and the need to run extra cars on weekend service during GOs that require (a)  the  extended to New Lots, (b) local service in either Manhattan or Brooklyn, or (c) GOs where the  is cut between 149 St and E180 St and the south portion needs to use cars from the .

2. East New York Yard: The cars here are aesthetically terrible. For the  the problem is the service frequency - it must provide rush hour service all 7 day of the week, which leads to poor aesthetic quality of the cars and poor mechanical performance. A couple of years ago, the R143s were barely pulling off 60,000 miles between breakdowns as a fleet. The issue with the  cars is that the  shuffles its R160s/R143s from the  pool, and the R179s still have occasional teething issues it needs to resolve. As for the , half of its R160s are in Fresh Pond Yard (no maintenance facility), or Jamaica Yard for storage (not responsible for maintenance of  train R160s), and these R160s sometimes rotate in and out of  service because of the fleet shortage in ENY. But when the R211s start coming in, it is likely that the  will get the last of the 's R179s, which are in DESPERATE need of a car wash.

3. 207 St/Pitkin Yards - Where do I begin? The cars on the  are practically BEGGING for a shower (same as the Jerome Av Yard entry). The problem here is car availability. The R46 fleet is spread so thin that it has almost no spares for the lines it needs to serve, and the R179 fleet doesn't help much due to how botched the cars were set up. Had the entire order been 600' trains or 480' trains (not a mix like they did here), we would have much more flexibility with the cars we can assign to which route. In the case of all 600' trains, they would all be on the  and the R46s would be on the  (with some lingering R46   trains), and the reverse setup had the order been all 480' trains  (all R179s to the , leftovers to the , and all R46s to the  only). But we ended up with 96 cars that can run only with themselves on the , 92 cars that can only run by themselves on the , and 130 cars that can only run by themselves on the . Completely illogical. Back to the issue of maintenance and car cleanliness: This awkward setup rigidifies which cars can run where, meaning you don't have flexibility as to which cars can be assigned in a pinch to which lines. 

 

All the other yards that weren't mentioned do an OK job with maintenance and aesthetics, but could do better. 240 St Yard could do better but the  actually runs pretty even service and is reliable. I just think it needs more cars to allow other cars to get some shop time. Ditto for Concourse and Westchester. If they want any tips, take a lesson from Livonia Yard - how those R62s on the  pull off 250,000+ miles between breakdowns still boggles my mind even though most of the fleet stays at the shop-less 148 St Yard. It's probably a combination of good maintenance, and the fact most of the  fleet doesn't run weekends or late evenings (similar to the ). The R62s do need a wash though.

ENY does not have a wash facility running lights to Canarsie Yard is not that simple with the  frequency. Fresh pond yard does have a maintenance barn it was add a few years ago but it’s only 3 tracks and does not perform major work.

27 minutes ago, Gotham Bus Co. said:

The two segments would probably have to overlap between Flatbush Junction and Rockaway Parkway.

Which is a wasted of a route the B6 is long over due for 60FT conversion.

10 hours ago, Gotham Bus Co. said:

 

My point of curiosity is this:  If B60 can be split into two routes, why are the much longer B6 and B82 not split?  

The B60 is not a good split its more of a Bx15/M125 thing because of Traffic on Wilson. With the B6 where do you split it at CI Ave or Maybe Nostrand ?? The B6 is a challenge Because it carries on both End a lot harder.

1 hour ago, N6 Limited said:

Only comments for the B5 so far.

By connecting to New Lots Ave  station, it runs close enough to Gateway Center to walk over without transferring, and gives those in Canarsie an easy way to travel east, connects to the Q8, B55, B20, Etc.

New lots Ave station is a Future Accessible station.

The redesign should not just provide existing connections but provide new connections for easy travel. 

I’m not sure I see a reason for this.

• Spring Creek Riders are a block over from Pennsylvania Ave (B83).
• The B103 connects to the New Lots Ave  from Cozine and Van Siclen.
• The B20 Connects to the Pennsylvania Ave  from Stanley Ave and Van Siclen. 
• Hegeman Ave is 2 blocks from the Van Siclen Station.
• New Lots Ave and Van Siclen is one block from the Van Siclen Ave station.
• Riverdale Ave is 1 Block over from the El, walkable to New Lots Ave and Pennsylvania Ave Stations.
• New Lots Ave has the B15 that will take them to New Lots  Ave Station.
• New Lots Ave Station is a future accessible station
• The routing will provide connections to other Bus routes
  • B55
  • B83
  • B5LTD
  • B20
  • B15
  • Q8

The B20/B83 Feed Broadway Junction for the most part the B15 was more for the Airport then locals. Linden & boulevard riders will use the  because it is closer then riding to the Junction or waiting on that awful B20. 
 

The B5 will work just like the B6 expect you will see a rise in starrett city rider that don’t wanna transfer to the B82.