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I'll take these one by one:

1) eliminate Jamaica skip-stop - The purpose of the J/Z skip-stop is not just about saving a few minutes. It's primarily about crowd control. Running all local service on the Jamaica elevated during the rush hours will lead to very crowded trains and platforms. Unlike the Broadway skip-stop on the 1 and 9 lines which bypassed several important stops, most riders are heading to Manhattan, so it doesn't matter which trains stops at a particular station

2) J to Broad St all times - Unnecessary since the 4 and 5 easily pick up the slack.

3) M to Essex St during off-hours - That's already in the works (at least during the daytime/evening hours of the weekend), starting this June if I'm not mistaken

4) M/R to 179 St - It's not necessarily a bad idea since it would potentially eliminate a transfer at Forest Hills or Roosevelt Av. The question is however, how many people will benefit from one or both lines serving Jamaica.

6) split R at all times - I'm going to assume you're only talking about the duration of the Montague closure. That would force riders along the R-line to make what's usually a one-seat ride into a three-seat one. The only reason it's done this way on weekdays is because the B runs during those times. Other times, DeKalb junction isn't as congested to require the split R line.

6, 7) extended hours for the C, expanded service on the D - Those aren't bad ideas and probably should be implemented.

8) return of the W, restoration of the pre-2010 Broadway line service patterns - Again, those aren't bad ideas. However, it won't eliminate the merging problems since the N would merge over to the local tracks to hit the 60th Street curve.

9) run the 5 from Nereid to Flatbush on weekends, Dyre Avenue service relegated to shuttle - I'm not liking how you shafted the Dyre Avenue riders to a two-seat ride for any service south of E 180 St. With that said, weekend service to Flatbush Av should be looked into and service along White Plains Rd should be boosted as needed, though I'm not sure sending the 5 up to 238 St is the answer.

I think that's it.

With all these snowstorms, arctic blasts and polar vortexes, I have a feeling it's going to be a bad spring in terms of service disruptions. I'm sure that most of this work can't be FASTRACKed away or simply done during overnight hours. Speaking of which, how many FASTRACKs have been truncated or outright cancelled because of the weather so far this year?

The line shutdown scheduled for this weekend has been cancelled as well as the daytime Astoria shutdown (for like the fifth time since it's been attempted)

Now Manhattan-bound trains are running via the line from Stillwell Av to 36 St. Coney Island-bound trains have resumed normal service.

@Wallyhorse: Just an honest question here: Do you ever think about how your ideas would be implemented or how they'd be perceived by the riding public? I ask this because it seems like little thought is given to questions like these when you make these sometimes strange and other times, simply impossible proposals.

I know it's really not the subject of this thread, but since it keeps being brought up, I feel I should address it with some sort of logic. Let's take your weekend to Harlem/Washington Hts idea. First off, you're confusing many riders along 6th Avenue and Central Park West because you have two very different lines serving these sectors depending on which day of the week it is. And it isn't an issue of people not paying attention. At least not entirely. You must remember that the general riding public aren't rail enthusiasts; they're just trying to get from point A to B. Running completely different services along the same stretch of line on different days is hard to convey to the casual rider in both written form as well as on the map. That's explicitly why Transit doesn't run lines like they did decades ago.

Secondly, what is the purpose of sending the up Central Park West anyhow? If it's to add more service to Central Park West and/or 6th Avenue, that can be done by extending the hours/days of operation on the already existing line, which everyone knows about, rather than sending a line that usually runs to Queens, up to Harlem. If the purpose is to link the Jamaica/Myrtle Avenue elevated lines to 8th Avenue, wouldn't it make more sense to create and run such a route during the times when it would pick up the most traffic, instead of only on weekends? Also, is the ridership even there for such a route in the first place? And no, I'm not talking about a couple of riders who'd benefit from a one-seat ride. The ridership has to justify its cost.

These are some of the questions you have to ask yourself when you're about to post these ideas and fantastical proposals. Concerning this forum, I think you need to ask yourself whether your posts actually contribute something to the subject at hand or will it just be perceived as spamming. Just saying.

Due to the inclement weather:

- uptown and trains run local from 34 St-Penn Station to 96 St

- service is suspended; all service is local in the Bronx

- Coney Island-bound trains are running via the line from 36 St to Stillwell Av

Updates to follow as they come in.

I wouldn't be surprised. As stated in another thread, there's no way the 5 will be able to handle the entire Lexington express at its regular intervals.

New station rehabs:

Coney Island-bound platforms at Parkside Av, Beverley Rd and Cortelyou Rd
     are closed for renovation

All times, beginning 11:45 PM Friday, Feb 21 until early Summer

For service to these stations, take the to Church Av or Newkirk Plaza and
transfer to a Manhattan-bound .

For service from these stations, take the to Church Av or Prospect Park and
transfer to a Coney Island-bound .

No trains between Prospect Park and Stillwell Av

trains and free shuttle buses provide alternate service
Weekends, 10:30 PM Fri to 5 AM Mon, Feb 28 - Mar 3  •  Mar 7 - 10

service operates between Ditmars Blvd*/57 St-7 Av and Prospect Park.

 

*service is extended to Ditmars Blvd because of the 7-line outage between Queensboro Plaza and Times Sq.

Until they have an idea of when service will be restored, any press release posted on the MTA website will say the standard "We're working to restore service as soon as possible...", "customers are advised to leave additional time when planning their trips", etc. Those form letters don't really do much but reiterate what the service status page already says.

I do hope they're adding more C trains along 8th Avenue, because it's bad enough it runs at "meh" intervals as it is. Combine that with the passengers from 7th Avenue and that's just asking for more trouble.

Just one from a line we really shouldn't have gotten rid of yet:

132nd Street and Alexander Avenue (IRT 3rd Avenue Elevated)

Part of the William J. Myers Collection, Courtesy of James McGinty

nycsubway.org

Alas, the beauties and tragedies of hindsight.

I've said this before on one of MattTrain's photo threads, but it bears repeating. It will not be difficult to tell which trains are the converted sets and which are brand new. The MTA couldn't even be bothered to spring for a couple of mops, some sponges and some Orange Glo to clean the floors and other surfaces. It's quite sad if you ask me.

Exactly. And even nowadays that's not perfected either. Look at the (5)'s different terminals... and I don't mean E180, I mean either Dyre Ave or New Lots. I know why it's necessary but from a simplistic POV it still has ways to go.

I think you mean Nereid Av since that's the other northern terminal, though your point still stands. That's why Wallyhorse's posts are quite groan-worthy at times.

I just realized I really didn't comment on the subject itself. While I'm not opposed to running the B to Bedford Park during the midday hours, I don't see how it would solve the merging issues. Instead of holding up trains because of the switches just south of 145 St, the merger would occur just north of 135 St where the B and D split up to run local or express respectively along Central Park West, which would likely create the same delays as it does when the B terminates on the middle track at 145 St on the lower level.

G.O.-related reroutes are different, and even then, the lines don't stray too far from its original (normal) route unless it's necessary. The MTA doesn't want to repeat what it did in the '80s and '90s, where some subway lines had widely different terminals and sometimes different routes altogether depending on the time of day. The idea nowadays is to keep it (service patterns that is) as simplistic as possible so as to minimize confusion among the riding public.

Well, there's a train that's never late. You can always count on Wallyhorse to bring forth a proposal that literally no one else thought about or even asked for. It's like clockwork.

Why would the N be rerouted to Forest Hills? There's nothing happening on the Astoria line this weekend.

Yep. The Lov-Vs relayed at 167 St on the middle track, so the clocks read that as the trains terminating there and not 161 St.

I think the main problem preventing such a connection is making it ADA-compliant. Any new construction, whether it's a new station or a new transfer between existing stations, must be built to be fully accessible. And if the transfer has to be accessible, both stations would likely have to be as well. If it was built at least 25 or so years ago before the ADA became law, you could get away with a narrow bridge over the freight tracks and a couple of staircases connecting the two stations. Today, not so much.

It's not that surprising to see a running to 241 St, especially if something's holding up the trains somewhere along the line.

There used to be a reverse peak to 238 in the morning. The 241 St trains seem to run express along with the E 180 St trains. Is there a program for express to 241 St?

If you mean via White Plains Rd, then no, all AAS options to 241 St are local in the Bronx.

Are they ever going to get the Phase 2/3/4 funding commitments down? Is the MTA waiting for Phase 1 to be done first? Why didn't the MTA just start working on Phase 2 when they started Phase 1?

I think a part of the reason why it was and continues to be done this way is because they want to have something done in case funding falls through again. We don't need a repeat of the Second Avenue construction of the '70s where the TA tried to build the entire line in one fell swoop and we got very little to show for it. It's better to build it in relatively small sections to that at the end of the day, we can actually run some trains through the finished section and not have it sit idle for nearly half a century.

As we're all aware, it's been a very snowy winter as of late. As a result of today's storm, some schools decided to release kids early so they wouldn't be stuck at school when the roads get icy. Of course, some of these parents are complaining about having to scramble to pick up their kids from school early. I find it annoying that these folks complain when the schools are closed, and when the schools remain open for the full day, they also complain about having to deal with winter weather. It's like there's no pleasing some of these cats. But really, I shouldn't be surprised, now should I? But then again, these people that show up on the news to gripe about early dismissals or outright closures shouldn't be either. I mean, this is New York; this kind of weather is to be expected.

No, there will be no line service running between Citi Field and Main St. Service west of Willets Point is unaffected.

This is new:

 Trains replace the  in Manhattan and Brooklyn 

Weekend & Holiday, 3:30 AM Sat to 10 PM Mon, Feb 15 - 17 

 trains make all  stops in Manhattan and Brooklyn as follows: 

Days: Service operates between Dyre Av and Utica Av. 
Late Nights: Service operates between Dyre Av and New Lots Av , making local stops. 

Note: No  service during this time.

I think this may be the first time in a while the has gotten priority over the or the . Of course, this is probably due to the Jerome Avenue shutdown in place (not listed yet).

Eh, I've seen worse. Much worse.

The is always a mess. They should have gotten around to doing CBTC on QBL first because the runs at max capacity in terms of trains per hour during the rush and it still runs like shit

While it would seem to make sense that Queens Blvd should've received CBTC conversion first, it actually makes much more sense that Canarsie got it first. Could you imagine all of the service disruptions (both planned and otherwise) dealing with the installation and all of the problems afterwards on one of the busiest lines in the entire system. And not only that, but it's also not isolated like Canarsie, so that would affect four different lines. Possibly even five if people started jumping ship to the .

Subway time claims it's to South Ferry.i know it's not a big deal.But if it did terminate at Chambers it would affect train traffic.

Trains were terminating at Chambers St as mentioned in the G.O. The ATS system (and therefore the countdown clocks, SubwayTime, etc) have a bit of trouble distinguishing between termini and light runs. This also occurs when the is split at 125 St. Trains from Brooklyn, Lower Manhattan are listed as terminating at 3 Av-138 St because that's where they go to layup and reverse back to Manhattan.