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Well all is to scrapping that route theory. ..although SCT years ago spoke of that extension like the s33 extension to Smith Haven Mall...so for some its like a faith matter but now virtually obsolete with the new s20 run through the n19 corridor between Sunrise Mall and Babylon

 

And gotcha s20 won't use Unqua road but Carmans road

 

BTW speaking of large deadheads the last s58 after reaching East Northport where does it deadhead to Ronkonkoma or where EBT is housed or another depot

Suffolk Transit NEVER spoke about extending the S33 to Smith Haven Mall. The CONTRACTOR who they hired to do a study of the system in 2009 talked about extending the S33. 

The S58 is part of the Central Suffolk contract which was awarded to Suffolk Bus Corp. The S58, like the S40, has had it's deadhead the same since it was started, as before SBC it was operated by Coram Bus Service-Coram Line Service-CBS Lines. The S58 is operated out of the Ronkonkoma Yard on Sundays only, otherwise it's operated out of the Coram Depot.

Mmm but the last s40 deadheads from Patchogue and Babylon. ..i would assume that the garage is at Bay Shore. ..Amityville (Sunrise Mall) and Bay Shore is almost equidistant to Bay Shore and Patchogue. .then again the scheduling would be as follow

 

Semi last and last s40 departing Patchogue

 

8:30Pm (to Sunrise Mall) to arrive at 9:45pm...layover up to 10pm run to BBabylon only (no service past Babylon) then deadheads

 

9:30Pm (To Babylon) to arrive at 10:15pm then deadheads

 

West-East last two routes

 

8pm and 9pm towards Patchogue (notice the 8pm route would make the return trip only to Babylon RR leaving at aforementioned 930pm)

 

10Pm would be run to Babylon only.

 

To say much a normal s40 makes the run in between 40-45 minutes so if the 7:30pm s40 departs Patchogue it would arrive Babylon RR at 8:15pm then a 20-25 minute run to Sunrise Mall which would arrive in between 8:35-8:40pm. (20-25 minute rest for the driver)

 

Total runtime for the s40 would be between 70-75 minutes (almost the same timing of the s66)

 

But this judgement was a optional theory now it is obsolete as the s20 got modified

s40 deadheads from Patchouge to Bay Shore though has existed ever since Suffolk Bus Corp has had control of the route as until 1995 all SBC routes were based out of the Bay Shore yard. Not to mention the driver probably deadheads using Sunrise Highway, which probably would mean that it probably wouldn't take that long. 

However if for what ever reason there is a break down on the s40 in or near Patchouge they can pull a replacement bus from the Ronkonkoma Yard, which they have done in the past. 

Not to mention there could be possible contract problems since Sunrise Mall falls in the areas for the Western Suffolk routes, which are awarded to EBT. While there isn't a problem with the ending in Babylon, Sunrise Mall could be another matter. 

I did this before the n19 was cut, so it followed the s20 route but shows that for an S40 extension would need two buses added. (To Sunrise Mall) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1P2fndMfcs-ynKHWslNO2VbvQmk6FYChYep_uMEvZbIc/edit?usp=sharing

(To Patchouge) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16CmfDDciQACSubSLEtCkjNUtIa3e17KAFt3QzkZwFtI/edit?usp=sharing

The only reason anyone wanted the S40 to be extended is because it runs every half hour, which is a pretty stupid reason to have a route extended. And again the S20 already served Babylon and Sunrise Mall, so NEVER, EVER would an extension of another route have been considered.  

Not in favour of the new s20 modifications. ..was more towards a s40 extension to Amityville via the old n19 itinerary

 

Getting a S40 extension probably never was going to happen. It would take the terminus to far away from any SBC depot and therefore getting a replacement bus would take longer. Not to mention the possibility of hurting the reliablity of a route which is already pretty long. (As well as having to possibly add more buses than the one they are adding to the S20.

 

As for extending a different route, it would increase the catchment area and give more people a one-seat ride to Amityville & Sunrise Mall.

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You are assuming first off that there are alot, I'm not sure how much would qualify, that are transferring from one of the proposed routes on her, to the S20. Extending a route, which could cause the need for more added buses, just to give a few riders the luxury of a one seat ride does not make fiscal sense. (Remember a one seat ride would eliminate the .25 cents that would be made off the transfer.)

And Suffolk Transit is known for not being in fiscal health, so they need every penny they can get. 

Very interesting. It provides more frequent service from Sunrise to Babylon (and depending on where on the route you're traveling to, it might not be much slower than the current service if you want to ride the "long way" around the loop. I like the fact that it gets rid of the backtrack near the South Bay Shopping Center. However, it requires an additional bus, and at that point, I'm wondering if it might've been better to just extend certain runs of the S40 or even S29 to Sunrise.

 

I guess they figured if the current S20 is already somewhat of a loop (most buses don't layover at Babylon, for the purposes of being able to service the Great South Bay Shopping Center in one shot), they might as well make it a full loop to cover Montauk Highway.

 

It still doesn't have the full span of the old n19, nor does it run on Sundays, obviously.

 

I'm curious as to what the signage will say. They'll need some indication of whether the bus runs through Oak Street first, or Montauk Highway first (especially for passengers boarding at Babylon & Sunrise Mall/Amityville). Maybe they'll use "Sunrise Mall Loop" and "Babylon Loop" like they do on the schedule. (Sunrise Mall meaning clockwise with a layover at Sunrise, and Babylon meaning counterclockwise with a layover at Babylon)

 

I notice they added unnecessary runtime between Sunrise Mall & Amityville (10 minutes instead of 5 minutes) and looks like they added more runtime overall (which may or may not be pointless). They might've been able to run hourly service on both loops if they kept the runtime as-is, which would've been great for connections with the n19, as well as the n54/55. 

 

I also notice they still list transfers to the n80/81 at Sunrise on the new map (and also ignore the n55 transfer at Amityville)

My guess would be that the sign for the S20 Sunrise Mall Loop will probably say S20 Sunrise Mall and the Babylon loop will say S20 Babylon RR. 

Suffolk would want the signs simple, since most of their signs are, but Suffolk has switched to a new sign package to support GPS tracking, and they are already having problems with it. One that I know of is that when drivers put in the code for 'No Passengers' or 'Not In Service' it defaults to the S110 sign. Evidence is shown in a photo from 1065's crash a few weeks ago. The sign reads S110 Via 110 Corridor. 

Took me a while to understand what they did, since I wasn't expecting one bus to actually looping to and from Babylon and one looping to and from Sunrise Mall, I thought they would be both looping to and from Babylon; just one going clockwise and the other counter clockwise. 

The probably thought it made more sense to add a bus on the route that already went to Sunrise then to extend routes which it is, I mean why extend the S40 or S29 when the S20 already runs between Sunrise Mall and Babylon RR. 

Weekday 20:15 n20H from Hicksville to Great Neck does 9:20 n20G Flushing from Great Neck. Everyone on this trip was happy.

Famous you switched from using the 24 hour clock to the regular 12 hour clock, which confused me at first as to what time you were talking about for the n20H until I figured it out. When talking about time you should probably use one clock and not switch. (Especially since with the 24 hour clock 9:20 would mean in the AM not PM)

Laziness and the fact that nassau could care less.

Their probably going to take their time, especially since someone from NICE had said in Newsday that if they were to get the money the cut routes could be reinstated. If they went right out an took all the signs down it would show that the cuts would be permanent and the person lied. (Not to mention wasteful if they were telling the truth and reinstated the routes if they got the money)

What they are probably doing is waiting for like a month or two or whenever they think they are sure they won't be getting any money to reinstate them or that riders forgot what they said and most likely have found other ways of getting around, 

Or they could just say heck with it and just leave them up. Suffolk left a route sign up even though a route didn't serve it, not sure if it was an approved route change by the county also don't know if the sign is still up since they renovated the ambulance station the sign was on. Also Suffolk put up a bus sign a few years ago for a route that doesn't serve the stop, though again it goes towards that route change mentioned earlier. So it goes to show that route signs aren't seen as important. 

Has anyone seen the Gillig buses around the town of Hempstead and North Hempstead that have the town name printed on them? Does anyone know what they're for, or where they go/stop?

Ive seensome of those buses by Roslyn when i travel on the n20...i won't say they're gillig but Ford's or im mistaken

 

They're new if im also not mistaken here...i guess the best option is to check out the scheduling in the website of the municipality of north Hempstead

If their Ford's then maybe they are cutaways for some type of service for Seniors in the town. Most if not all the towns here in Suffolk has some type of bus service for Seniors. The Town of Brookhaven uses Ford Cutaways, I believe from Coach and Equipment, for their program which is called Silver Jitney. 

I wouldn't get arrested because my NYPD friend gave me "Get out of Jail Pass."

Famous I don't think A) that would hold up outside of NYPD jurisdiction (IE.The five boroughs) and B) I don't think that would stop you from being arrested for a felony like impersonating a police officer or some other official. That "Get out of jail pass" as you call it is, I believe, just for minor things like tickets or things like that. 

There were an entire thread dedicated to discussing the bus route cuts and whatnot. Why, out of all threads, did you decide to post that in here? That is NOT a random thought.

Probably because people were active at the time on this thread and therefore would see it as soon as it was posted. People who want people to see something are going to post it where they think people would see it as soon as they post it, in stead of posting it somewhere where it may not bee seen for days/weeks/months/ etc, no matter if its related to the topic at hand.

Though of course there is the possibility that he accidentally posted it in the wrong thread.

Look LI residents aren't going to care about a cheap bus ride. Using SCT everyday is actually more expensive than the monthly metrocard. Plus the SCT service expansions were to keep up with increasing demand and improve connectivity. Plus LIRR service in suffolk county is garbage which helps explain the high ridership on the S40 combined with areas not near LIRR served by the S40 as well. Part of the transportation problems in suffolk is actually MTA's fault for arrogance and sub-par service outside the ronkonkoma line. Commuter rail in this country is a huge disaster.

 

SCT Service expansions are done due ti demand. Very few service expansions are done for connectivity. 

I don't see how the MTA is at fault for transportation problems that are caused because of congestion on the roads. 

still the bus agency is alive thanks to the state's majority funds. ..

 

That's incorrect. Suffolk gets less state aid then Nassau, which has been documented many times over the years. SCT is alive because of Suffolk County and Suffolk County tax payers. 

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/nassau/nice-cuts-11-bus-routes-despite-rescue-bid-by-nassau-lawmaker-1.11330863

The lawmaker hopefully was aware that her rescue bid would have probably put off the cuts for two years. So it wouldn't have solved the problem. Not to mention it would have taken that 7.5 million which should be saved encase I don't know, taxes don't bring in enough for a surplus or some other emergency, like we have another snowmageddon like we had last yer or a worse natural disaster. 

Unless you can bring in money, you can't just throw money at the problem just because you have it.

Suffolk County didn't have a route on Montauk Highway between Babylon and Sunrise Mall because the N19 was already providing that service. It's obvious that...

 

Nassau County didn't want to keep that segment because it was in Suffolk County, and

 

Suffolk didn't want to help pay for a service run by Nassau County.

 

 

Now that Nassau has abandoned that segment, it's up to Suffolk to decide whether to run something there or not.

Suffolk would never do it, especially since the reason the NICE claimed they abandoned it was because of lack of ridership.  Not to mention that Suffolk already has a route that goes to and from the same places. 

 

It will be very beneficial to suffolk county residents to extend S1 to sunrise mall. It would be more useful than the N54/55 to amityville.

 

Only way that would happen would be if it's shown to be more beneficial to S1 riders having the route go to Sunrise Mall then having to Transfer to the S33 or any other route. 

There's also a plan B making s40 extended to Sunrise mall to supplement the discontinued service of the n19..

 

 

It's getting really annoying hearing you always take about extending the S40. That's most likely never going to happen.  

Yes, but east of the mall is Suffolk County. There's no reason why Nassau County taxpayers should be responsible for providing service in Suffolk County.

So Suffolk County taxpayers should be responsible for paying for bus service that Nassau doesn't want? News for you most Suffolk Taxpayers don't even like paying for Suffolk Bus Service. Suffolk County is only responsible to the riders that ride their system, they aren't responsible for those who ride Nassau's bus system. 

 

Suffolk should stand on an equally stupid platform and terminate service to Sunrise, start/stop routes at Amityville, RR and totally screw over all riders on the Nassau Suffolk south shore border.

I don't know the S20's ridership though I wouldn't be surprised if that was on the list of least used bus routes that Suffolk was talking about cutting a few months back.  

 

I'm also annoyed at Cumo!  Billions announced in "public transportation!' but he allows these cuts to go through? Apparently to him public transportation only means LIRR bringing people who work in Manhattan an easier ride and getting vehicles from Long Island to Westchester County.

NICE and SCT are going to be splitting a bunch of money from the state, I forget the amount though II do recall it was a couple million. NICE also claimed that if they were to get more money that they would reverse the cuts, lets see if they hold true to their word when they get the money. 

Providing bus service east of Sunrise Mall is now officially Suffolk's problem, not NICE. 

I don't think it's officially Suffolk's problem as Sunrise Mall falls in Nassau County. 

Just had a look at the updated roster, and didn't notice before, but did a double-take at all the high-floors in service.  Especially everything 2005 and forward.  Were those buses bought new or were they already used?  SMART stayed with Gilligs, but went all low-floor starting with the 2001 purchases (and retiring the old Phantoms and TMCs from the 90s).  Those Phantoms, and even the Orions, are tough buses, but a bit strange once low-floors were becoming the choice of agencies across the country, past about 2002 or so.  Lifts are always a huge maintenance problem, so I'd have thought a small agency like Suffolk would've been more apt to changeover -- just for the cost savings and injury claims reduction alone -- over keeping high-floors going.

All the buses were brought new, except the 2008 Gillig Hybrids they came as part of some state program to test hybrid buses or something like that. The only buses that Suffolk ever brought used was back when the County created the system. Suffolk doesn't have the money to replace all the high floors at once. However the Orion V and the 2000 Gilligs are of age and due for retirement. The 2005 are coming of age in two years and will most likely will be retired. 

Suffolk didn't have money to outright scrap the high floors when they brought low floors. The only reason they brought that many Orion VII's was because former United States Representative Tim Bishop got federal money to help out, other wise the order would have been for 55 buses.

Suffolk brought from Gillig alot, at times making up nearly all of it's fleet and at other about half.

As of 1/14/16 

5053 is OOS since accident on 4/18/14 
1075 is OOS after being involved in an accident 2/18/15, is at Northeastern Bus Rebuilders in Deer Park 
5076 is OOS after being involved in an accident 7/20/15 
1026 is OOS at Northeastern Bus Rebuilders in Deer Park 
Para Transit bus 2807 is OOS at Northeastern Bus Rebuilders in Deer Park with Extensive front end damage. 
1010 is OOS due to an accident 9/30/15 and now is at Northeastern Bus Rebuilders in Deer Park 
1065 is OOS due to an accident on 1/8/16 

*2947-2948 transferred to Fix route for use on the 7A (2948 broke down and was replaced by 2947 for the rest of the week, unknown if 2948 was returned to SCAT service) 
* 1539 transferred temporarily to Fix route use on the 10 D/E 

Suffolk Bus Corp (81 total - 65 buses needed weekday, 54 buses needed Saturday, 16 buses needed Sunday; 67 buses needed Summer weekdays, 56 buses needed Summer Saturdays, 18 buses needed Summer Sundays) 

Ronkonkoma Yard (44Total) 
Routes: S56,S57,S58 (Sunday Only),S59,S60,S61,S63,S66,S68,S69 (Night Loop),S71,S76,S110,3D (Sunday Only),5A,6A,6B,7A,7B,7D/E 

1999 Orion 05.503: 9908,9915,9932-9933,9935,9939 [6]
2000 Gillig Phantom 35TB102: 2000-2001,2005 [3]
2004 Coach and Equipment Metrolite Ford E450: 2402 
2005 Gillig Phantom 35TB102: 5001-5002,5007,5011-5012,5014-5016,5054,5057-5058,5072-5075,5078-5079 [17] 
2009 Starcraft Starlite Ford E450: 2947-2948 [2]
2010 Orion 07.502: 1029,1032-1036,1038,1061-1063 (10) 
2010 Orion 07.503: 1066-1073 [8] 
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2007 Coach and Equipment Metro Lite Ford E-450: 2702-2705,2708-2719,2721,2725 (16) 
2008 Coach and Equipment Metro Lite Ford : 2801-2803,2806,2808-2814,2816-2830 (26) 
2009 Starcraft Starlite Ford E450: 2901-2946,2949-2951 (49) 
2012 Coach and Equipment Metro Lite Ford: 1201-1222 (22) 
2013 Coach and Equipment Metro Lite Ford:1301-1328 [28] 
2014 Coach and Equipment Metro Lite Ford: 1401-1409 [9]
2015 Coach and Equipment Metro Lite Ford E350: 1501-1511,1513-1538 [38] 

Coram Yard (12 Total) 
Rotues: S58,S62 

2000 Gillig Phantom 35TB102: 2004 [1]
2005 Gillig Phantom 35TB102: 5059,5071,5077,5080-5081 [5] 
2010 Orion 07.502: 1031,1037,1057-1060 [6]
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2013 Coach and Equipment Metro Lite Ford: 1329 [1]

Bay Shore Yard (25 Total) 
Routes: S40,S42,S45,S47(Summer Only),3A,3B,3C,3D 

1999 Orion 05.504: 9920,9923,9928-9929 [4]
2005 Gillig Phantom 35TB102: 5003-5006,5008-5010,5013 [8] 
2010 Orion 07.502 35ft: 1016-1025,1027-1028,1030 (13) 
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2015 Coach and Equipment Metro Lite Ford E350: 1512 [1]


EBT Inc (50 total- 38 buses needed weekday, 26 buses needed Saturday, 11 buses needed Sundays) 
Routes: S1,S20,S23,S25,S27,S29,S31,S33,S35,S41,S54,1A,1B,2A,2B 

1999 Orion 05.503: 9913 [1]
2005 Coach and Equipment Metrolite: 2502 
2005 Gillig Phantom 35TB102: 5021-5034,5051-5052,5055-5056,5060 (19) 
2008 Gillig Advantage BRT Low Floor: 8001-8004 [4]
2010 Orion 07.501 40ft: 1001-1009 [9]
2010 Orion 07.502 35ft: 1039-1053,1055-1056 [17] 

Twin Forks Transit* (21 total - 16 buses needed weekday and Saturday, 7 buses needed Sundays; 17 buses needed Summer Weekdays and Saturdays) 

Sunrise Coaches Inc. (15 total) 
Routes: S92,8A,10D/E 

2005 Gillig Phantom 35TB102: 5091-5096 [6] 
2010 Orion 07.501 40ft: 1011-1015 [5] 
2010 Orion 07.503 30ft: 1078-1081 [4] 
2015 Coach and Equipment Metro Lite Ford E350: 1539* [1] 

Hampton Jitney (6 total) 
Routes: S90,S94(Summer Only),10A,10B,10C 

2005 Gillig Phantom 35TB102: 5041-5042 [2]
2010 Orion 07.502 35ft: 1064 [1]
2010 Orion 07.503 30ft: 1074,1076-1077 [3] 

Total number of Suffolk Transit Buses: 152 

* Twin Forks Transit is the contract holder, Sunrise Coach Lines and Hampton Jitney are the sub contractors as well as co-owners of the company. 

Official Retired Buses 

1959 GM TDH5106: 617 [1]
19xx GM TDH4517: 330,340 [2]
19xx GM xxxxxxx: 92,395,421,435-436 [5]
1960 GM TDH4517: 420 [1]
1960 GM TDH5302: 371 [1]
1961 GM TDH4517: 106 [1] 
1962 GM SDH4501: 1334 (Leased from New York Bus Service?) 
1962 GM TDH5301: 409 [1]  
1963 GM TDH4519: 527 [1]
1964 GM TDH4519: 837 [1]
1964 GM TDH5304: 158 [1]
1965 GM TDH4519: 292-294,840 [4] 
1966 GM TDH4519: 108,111,700 [3] 
1967 GM TDH4519: 104-105 [2]
1969 GMC T6H4521: 517,528 [2] 
1973 GMC T6H4523A: 904,909,917,921,924 [5]
1974 GMC T6H4523A: 124 [1]

1975 Flxible 45096-6-1: 14-15,828-829,836 [5]
1981 New Flyer D901A-10235C: 108-115,119-120,550-557,800-806 (25) 
1982 Gillig Phantom 3596TB: 5-13,(5,118-125),7-13,125-127,209,558-562,815-820 (31) 
1982 Chance RT52: 1-4,4-6,20-22,113-117,121-124,210-214,807-814,810-812 (37) 
1987 Gillig Phantom 35102TB: 701-702,8703-8704,710,8720-8733,740-742,750-760 (33) 
1988 Chance RT52: 300-303,320-321,340-341,350-352,880-884 (16) 
1991 Gillig Phantom 40102TB: 9100,910-917 [9]
1991 Gillig Phantom 35102TB: 9101-9108,920,930-934,940-941 (16) 
1993 Flexible Metro D 30096-6T: 9301-9303,9311-9316,9321-9326,9331-9342 (27) 
1996 Gillig Phantom 35102TB: 9600-9617,9620,9630-9636,9641-9655,9660-9661 (43) 
1997 Gillig Phantom 3096TB: 9701-9702,9711-9714,9721-9726,9731-9734 (16) 
1999 Orion 05.503: 9901-9907,9909-9912,9914,9916-9919,9921-9922,9924-9927,9930-9931,9934,9936-9938,9940-9942 (31) 
2000 Gillig Phantom 35TB102 Suburban: 2002-2003 [2]
2010 Orion 07.502: 1054 [1]

Total Number of Retired Suffolk Transit Buses: 324 

Retired SCAT bus list (List in incomplete.) 
1993 Unknown Ford E Series: xxxx-xxxx (2, Transferred to Suffolk County PD renumbered 29784-28785) 
199x Coach and Equipment Metrolite Ford: 1909-1910 [2]
2000 Coach and Equipment Metrolite Ford E-450: 94xx,9446,9494 [3]
2002 Coach and Equipment Metrolite Ford E-450: 2201-2218 [18] 
2003 Coach and Equipment Metrolite Ford E-450: 2301-2315 (15) 
2004 Coach and Equipment Metrolite Ford E-450: 2401-2405,2407-2425 [24] 
2006 Coach and Equipment Metrolite Ford E450: 2500-2501,2503-2509,2511-2516 (15) 
2007 Coach and Equipment Metrolite Ford E-450: 2701,2706-2707,2709-2710,2720,2722-2724,2726,27xx-27xx (12, 2724-27xx buses transffered to Suffolk County PD) 
2008 Coach and Equipment Metrolite Ford E-450: 2804-2805,2815 [3]

Total Number of Retired SCAT Buses: 94 

Official Retired Routes List 
S21 
S74 
1C 
9A 

Total Number of Retired Routes: 4 

Official list of Former Operators 
CBS Lines, Inc (1989-2011) 
Inter-County Motor Coach (1977-2011) 
Coram Bus Service, Inc (1981-1989) 
The Blue Coach Lines (1981-????) 
Louis A. Fuoco Bus Service (1981-????) 
Babylon Transit (1981-????) 
Lindenhurst Bus Co, Inc (1981-????) 
Long Island Airport Service (????) 
Alert Coach Lines (1975-1977,1981-1994) 
MSBA (1973-1975,1977-1981) 

Number of former operators: 10

Well that's stupid. I would've kept that stop.

 

 

Rumor has it that in 11 days the District Court stop is going to be reinstated but this time it's going to be for all Patchouge routes. 

 

With the S25, the idea is that the drivers are heading in that direction anyway when they're traveling to/from the depot, so even if they only carry 1 or 2 people, it's still better than having them wait for a later bus. Plus, there's people who can't use the bus because it runs when they're coming home, but not in the morning when they're going to work, and vice versa. The first bus gets you down to Babylon at 7:35AM. If you start work at 8AM, even if it's another part of Suffolk County, you might not be able to get there in time, so even if the bus runs at 4PM or 5PM when you leave work, it doesn't do you any good. The same thing with people who work later: If you end work at 6PM, you might not be able to get down to Babylon before the 6:35PM bus departs.

 

Those buses would be whichever runs aren't already interlining. (So for example, the 7:45PM, 8:45PM, and 9:45PM S27 trips that arrive in Babylon just go right back to the depot. So they would do half an S25 trip on the way back. I don't think the first S25 (the 7:05AM out of Babylon) interlines with anything, so the B/O would do half an S25 trip on the way to Babylon, instead of deadheading.

 

Those extra HART runs would be trips that are already deadheading to/from their outer terminal on their first/last run of the day. Their headquarters is right by the Huntington LIRR station, so it's a convenient short-turn terminal for those trips. 

Problem is the S25 isn't a high ridership route adding service wouldn't do anything except drive the debt higher.

I'm surprised that the s54 is unreliable having open roads throughout its route. ..a normal s54 trip takes average 1h20 minutes to complete the route

 

I remember last may i took the 9am s54 to patchogue and it arrived at 10:29pm just intime to the s66 bus to Riverhead

 

Also two months ago i awaited a 4:30pm s54...it no show and the 5pm showed up at 5:15pm...i said is too late for to take the route since i had to take the 430p and arrive Hauppauge at 500pm and not 5:45pm

 

I want to know when in the particular route does the s54 gets caught on traffic?

The S54 travels on Jericho Turnpike (Also Know as NYS 25, AKA in parts of Suffolk as Middle Country Road) and Veterans Memorial Highway. Both are known as having traffic get back up and for having accidents which could slow down a bus.

Most likely the S54, like most buses, would get caught up in traffic during Rush Hour, Not to mention it gets caught up at the State Building in Hauppauge and probably at the shopping center it stops at in Commack, or passes between there and WWM,  not to mention traffic at Walt Whitman Mall especially during the holidays. 

Well that's stupid. I would've kept that stop.

 

Probably done so riders could easily get to the Railroad Station. Either that or something with the District Court itself made the stop either not usable or unable to continue as a stop. I know a few years ago they moved the old Patchouge Library to the site. 

Interestingly the court house parking lot didn't always use to be the stop for the district court, for a long time the stop for the district court use to be on Main Street/Montauk Hwy in front of the court building. 

 

s for the S63 and S61, transfers can be made at the District courts

 

Can't transfer at the District Court anymore. The District Court is no longer a stop. All transfers are now made at the Patchouge Rail Road Station. (Not to mention that before the change the S63 and S61 could transfer at both the LIRR and District Court)

No problem.

 

As for the S58, alright, point taken.

 

I put together a list of a few deadheads that can be converted to revenue service (for both HART & SCT). It would require a bit of interlining, so hopefully they allow that.

 

H10 Weekdays:

First EB bus leaves Huntington LIRR station at 6:10AM. First WB bus leaves Huntington LIRR station at 6:39AM.

Last EB bus leaves CSH at 6:40PM, terminating at the Huntington LIRR station. Last WB bus leaves Commack at 6:40PM and terminates at the Huntington LIRR station. 

 

H10 Saturdays:

First WB bus leaves Pulaski/Depot at 8:40AM. Last EB bus leaves leaves CSH at 7:00PM, terminating at Pulaski/Depot.

 

H20 Weekdays:

First NB bus leaves Rt. 110/Pulaski at 6:46AM, headed towards Halesite. Last SB bus leaves Halesite at 7:00PM, terminating at Pulaski Road. (Neither of those buses would do the loop around Walt Whitman Mall. They would just run straight up/down Woodhull Road)

 

First SB bus leaves Huntington LIRR station at 6:35AM to Walt Whitman Mall via Depot Road. An additional bus leaves Rt. 110/Pulaski at 6:40AM to Walt Whitman Mall via 8th Avenue.

 

Last NB bus leaves Walt Whitman Mall at 6:54PM to Rt. 110/Pulaski via 8th Avenue. Last SB bus leaves Walt Whitman Mall at 7:03PM to Huntington LIRR station via Depot Road.

 

H20 Saturdays:

First NB bus leaves Rt. 110/Pulaski at 8:46AM, headed towards Halesite.

 

H40 Weekdays:

Last SB bus leaves VA Medical Center at 6:45PM to Pulaski Road. Then turns into H10 to Pulaski/Depot at 7:10PM. (The last S41 of the night is at 6:20PM right now, so at least this would give people a way to get to the LIRR)

 

H40 Saturdays:

Last SB bus leaves VA Medical Center at 6:35PM to Pulaski Road. Then turns into H10 to Pulaski/Depot at 7:00PM.

 

S1: 5:25AM & 5:55AM trips added from Walt Whitman Mall to Halesite, for those who may need to catch an early morning LIRR train.

 

Not going to list all the specific trips, but I'll say some additional buses would start/end at Conklin Avenue in both directions (Instead of deadheading all the way to/from the end, they'll start/end halfway up the line).

 

S23: 5:55AM bus from Wyandanch LIRR station added (replaces the 6:00AM S29 trip from Deer Park. Basically, it's the same bus, but it starts in Wyandanch).

 

7:55PM bus from Babylon to Wyandanch added.

 

S25: 6:45AM bus added from Five Corners to Babylon. Interlined with the S27 (the first few S27 buses of the morning will do an S25 trip from Five Corners on their way from the depot to Babylon. The last few buses of the night will do an S25 trip to Five Corners on their way back from the depot). 

 

S33: 6:00AM bus added out of Deer Park to Amityville. 8:35PM bus added from Sunrise to Deer Park. 9:20PM bus added from Amityville to Deer Park. Additional buses added during the shoulder periods to provide 30 minute service between Wyandanch & Amityville (Some S1 buses that would've otherwise been deadheading from Amityville)

 

7A: 5:30AM trip added from Ronkonkoma to Patchogue. 7:25PM trip, 8:30PM trip, and 9:15PM trip added from Patchogue to Ronkonkoma (run-ons/run-offs from the routes that start/end in Patchogue) 

 

S61: Two more SB trips added from Port Jefferson to Coram Plaza at 8:00PM & 8:30PM (8PM trip is an S62 interline, 8:30PM trip is an S60 interline)

 

S66: Last westbound bus out of Riverhead is at 7:50PM (DS4 would be happy  )

The proposed S60 interline would be the driver that isn't the driver that's scheduled to drive the S69 then. Both interlines for later S61 service makes sense except for the short deadhead either to the Ferry dock or to the LIRR station, since the S61 doesn't stop at the Jefferson Plaza stop.

7A is a low ridership route, which just got switched to a Para Transit bus, so that route is probably on the verge of extinction. So I doubt there would be any idea to add service, unless there is some type of turn around.

The S25 also is a low ridership route as well. Not sure if a transfer to a Para Transit bus has or will be happening though. Also EBT has a few S27's interlined with S29's so any interlines with the S25 would probably involve them reworking their driver's work schedules. 

Have no Idea about HART, though it's possible that they may not have the reserve fleet to add runs that can't turn into runs already scheduled. 

As of 1/10/16

So wait, do you have a roster of which routes are based out of which depots?

 

For the S58, that bus would pass by SCCC at 9:20, and it would only benefit students traveling as far as Coram. If there's demand, then sure it should go, but otherwise, the goal would be to get the bus to the depot quickly. 

 

Ideally, routes would be running much later (like 10 or 11pm, since a lot of the malls close at 9:30), but something like this is low-hanging fruit. Like you said, it comes down to funding.

Yes. All the routes are listed by operator on the pinned roster list. I don't give the exact locations of the Depots. EBT just recently opened the West Babylon Depot, they also house school buses there.  

I could be wrong but I believe SCCC-Selden offers classes at night so late night service there would be a benefit. Not sure what the ridership to from there is on the S58 though.

Quick question: Does anybody know where the yards/depots are for the different routes? I think the S1, 1A, 1B, S20 & S31 are based out of Copaigue (EBT), I remember hearing the S40 & S42 (and I'm assuming the rest of the Bay Shore lines) are based out of there. I think the S63 is based out of Ronkonkoma, and the S58 is based out of Coram. 

 

In any case, I have a few proposals for extending the evening service on some lines. 

 

S58:

 

5:40PM from East Northport extended to Riverhead, and returns as a 7:45PM trip running to Coram Plaza.

8:30PM trip at East Northport becomes an 8:35PM trip to Coram Plaza, bypassing SCCC

 

I think the 3B and S41 should have some evening service between Brentwood and South Shore Mall (3B) and Brentwood & Bay Shore (S41). You could have hourly service using one bus between the two routes.

 

In general, I think the span of the Saturday service should be similar to that of the weekday service. It's rather ridiculous to have routes like the S1 ending at 6:30 on a Saturday night. 

EBT moved all their Transit routes to a yard in West Babylon, near where Harran use to be, so I've been told.  

The S40 and S42 are run by SBC out of their Bay Shore/HQ yard. 2A, 2B, and now the S41 are the only Bay Shore routes that based out of the EBT Yard.

The problem with the possibility of an 8:35 S58 bypassing SCCC is what about any students that are there that need the bus. 

It may be ridiculous to have the S1 end at 6:30, but thats what Suffolk can afford.