Eric B

They could use those new kiosks they're planning (with the pilot at Bowling Green) for that.

Is it expensive to add Blue to R188's LED? so that way it can be full RGB?

Then, there's RGB's using yellow green instead of pure green, which would be even cheaper (since yellow green is the old technology).

Here's one I got (and notice the final message!)

On the interior LED's, amber is made by mixing the red and green.

is shortened to five cars (using R160s only) and runs via the and then ® via Montauge from Essex or Chambers Street-DeKalb Avenue and then going regular route ( from Astoria ends early and yes, this would have the running essentially the old (Mx) route).

 

That to me might very well work.

I guess you mean the Brooklyn(4th Ave/West end) section right?

That's what he's trying to say.

Unless they're tacking on some work on the express tracks south of W4 also, or something.

I wonder why the isn't running to Bway-Laf. and just relaying north of there.

Wow; just in those today! Fire School refresher training. Every time I see them, I think what a waste. They should have used them for the Rock Park Shuttle.

Even if it wasn't for the horn thing and trains don't run, work isn't supposed to be done at night for light pollution reasons, the sounds of work being done, etc. When they were doing overnight work at Kings Hwy Brighton, Midwood had a cow, but they're excuse was they were working down in the bowels of the station, although they had that big strobe light up that made the area around the station as bright as midday. Even in other outdoor weekend GO's where trains didn't run at all (I remember GOs where only ran to Parkchester, the piece up to Pelham replaced by shuttle bus), work started bright an early at 6AM, but ended promptly by 6PM.

Well correct me if I'm wrong, but there are no lighting system of any kind on the El lines, thus how the work is going to be done, if the workers wont be able to see? Additionaly I can't get anything from top of my head when major non emergency work like replacement of tracks was done during night hours on the elevated line.

Even underground, they use additional lighting (the five-bulb "bank lights", and in some places, strings of shortly spaced CFL's). They can do this on the el, as well (they would be strung along the catwalk railing).

One problem with running a Fast-Track operation in the "outer boroughs" on the elevated lines and subways - besides the fact that there are often few nearby subway lines - is that shuttle buses cost money. A subway train needs a train operator and conductor, while each shuttle bus requires a driver. A bus can accommodate about 65 riders, while a single subway car can hold about 175 people crush loaded. Multiple numbers of buses will be needed to handle the amount of riders that a single train handles. Meaning that the cost goes way up in trying to provide alternative travel.

 

It is a quiet secret of the current Fast Track programs - that basically no (to very little) additional spending is required. The riders diverted to the "other train lines" are simply using trains and personnel that would have been provided anyway. Even extending for example the #4 or #5 to service Brooklyn all night long for this effort - is simply using train crews that are working their regular hours. That is one reason - the secret reason - why this program is limited to midtown Manhattan - it keeps the costs down.

 

Attempting to run such a program on the elevated lines or subways at night would drive the costs way upward.

 

Mike

I understand all of this, but I was wishing they could make an exception on the because of all the little work they are doing in various places. (I guess the Manhattan portion of the will help, since there's often work there slowing you down, after you've already been delayed in the elevated portion.

FASTTRACK was meant for subways, not for elevateds, in which work (except emergencies) is not supposed to take place outdoors after 1800 hours. That's why there will never be a program for the Jerome line, or any other elevated line. The Concourse is underground in the Bronx, so of course it could be done there.

There's less traffic at night, so shuttle buses would be quicker and less of a slowdown. Also, I don't see why elevated should make a difference.

The Brooklyn portion, and there would be shuttle buses. (they have never cared about replacing the service anyway, jut like on the now. And if it gets all the work out of the way, it would be better in the long run).

I wish they would do it on the , because of all the work they're doing all over those lines, squeezed into middays and weekends, under traffic.

It's like they must have let the whole line fall into disrepair for years, and now they ave to fix it all up at once.

I wonder how long it is going to take to drill those short little sections around 106th, and to 125th. It's a fraction of phase 1.

Wonder if when the borer (assuming it starts at 106th), when it connects the teo existing sections, could then just be driven to the final section and continue drilling, without having to be disassembled, taken out, reassembled and lowered in again.

Exactly. There were only 3 trains that went to Kings Highway. Not exactly reason enough to send the there. West End line at 9th av or Bay Pkwy makes more sense because the middle tracks allows for the train to relay back north without affecting the .

If they did bring the back, maybe that could be the new Bay Pkwy service, since they've apparently been tossing around the idea of sending a greatly increased there. Any Nassau service out there should be a banker's special (which probably could be handled by 95th like it used to be from the beginning of the BMT subway) rather than a full fledged line.

I don't think they should increase the service anymore than another train or two, because the 'slow switch' north of Canal is just not gonna let the run smoothly which it ain't already, I'd rather see the old come back as a Weekday service running to Whitehall St. from Astoria. Don't think Peak Hour would do, maybe start the service later and end the service earlier than the typical Weekday service lines [e.g. - to Manhattan/Queens].

I'm surprised they didn;t think of this. Perhaps they went with basically replacing the with the , and the with the , for fear Astoria riders would react.

When Second Ave. opens up, they might want to consider that, instead of starting up a new short line again, which would probably ultimately require more crews, and thus be more expensive to run.

I wish they hadn't cut out the third track in the station. Since they're still doing the deep boring at that point, how much did they really save by making the cavern a little narrower?

This would be a good time for them to make one of those kind of mistakes that always happens when t's not wanted, where they mistakenly build it according to the original plan.

The interiors were done like the R38's, with the indirect lighting, and the handbars.

Sort of like a partial revival of the R32a division (which most of them actually were).

The does connect to the other lines, because the Culver was originally BMT. So that could have just as easily been run from "Kings Hway Fox" as it's called!

As for through running like that, ou have two lines that curve around and enter Stillwell from the south, and the two that enter directly from the north. The through routing could be done between on any of the south routes () to any of the north routes (), but you couldn't do to or to .

I heard that it will be similar to what the CTA in Chicago uses on their cars. Its a small keypad with a screen, like those on a bus sign. On there cars, you enter your run number and it knows what line your on. After that you have to play the announcement manually like you already do with the door closing warning.

I'd like to know where on the 68's are they gonna put anymore stuff for announcements and computers ect. There barely enough room in the cabs for 1 human to fit in.

There was an R68 set in the 90's wired for automated announcements. It was one of the 2700's on the (Q6Av). There is space for it built in without taking more space. (And the CBTC testing was even on 2500-04, so that set had that equipment as well).

It makes me laugh to see the blue on the R32 and R42s because that's not that far away from when they were new. Everything old is new again. The 32s originally had blue seats and walls and doors with blue and white tiled floors and so did the 42s. They were turned to beige to match the 44s look with the seats turned the gray/black color. All the R142/143 did was bring back the blue (ok periwinkle), the 142 to the seats and the 143 to the walls too but non-painted. Blue and silver look good together, beige and black not as good. If the R32/42 were to get a treatment to the new tech R142-R160s, it'll be really going back to the original 1960s interior paint scheme.

For the 42's, you would also need to cut the longer windows in the doors. They're now using the same exact doors as in the 32's, and it never looked right. Wonder if they could even us the same end doors as the 68's, or 143's. Also, for the 42's, the interior lighting.

and now here is the R42, the photo is mine this time, took it at Chambers St.

 

Still look better than the present dingy yellow beige. (a holdover from that new scheme that replaced the original blue).

For that matter, I would like to see 68's get the blue treatment. That would fit a lot better than for the 46's, where the orange seats fit in with the brown faux-wood scheme (along with the tan, and what inspired the scheme painted into the other cars)

it wasnt made to fool anyone, I was bored this afternoon so I wanted to see what a 32 interior would look like, came across the first 32 interior shot i could find becasue i never took one,

Nice...

@a) Bway-Laf other-direction transfer is supposed to be finished next year.