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1 hour ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said:

First off, the  doesn'tuse Montague nor does it need to. You see, there's a set of tracks between Atlantic Avenue and DeKalb Avenue on Brighton that prevent  and  trains from using Montague entirely. Don't believe me, check the track map. Also, 32's and 42's can simply use the Broadway Express tracks

I do not know what you mean by Brighton trains being unable to use the Montague tracks. How does the go there when the bridge is closed for repairs? Also how do you explain this? Taken when a northbound  had its emergency brakes activated at DeKalb, thus the behind it was sent down via Montague to avoid congestion.

51 minutes ago, AlgorithmOfTruth said:

You've been dying to write that, haven't you?

Yes!

1 hour ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said:

Second, someone here has already said that the Jamaica Coney Island swap has been confirmed by !! QBL CBTC will eventually happen, so it'll make sense for the fleet to be present beforehand (R160's in this case). Do we know when it will start? no. Do we know that a Jamaica Coney Island R160 fleet swap will eventually happen? Yes! Thus, you can not assume that it'll never happen.

I didn't say the swap will never happen. I just said it will not happen as fast as everyone claims and that does not necessarily mean R46s will go to Coney Island because the R211s may be in service before then.

1 hour ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said:

You keep making such arguments on what is just speculation, come back when you have evidence and statistics. 

That applies to everyone else who keeps saying stuff about future car assignments like DJHammers and R32 3838. They never provide any evidence on their claims (like R46s going to the , R68/68As to the , five-car R179s to the , R32s and R160As to the , or R42s staying past 2020; none of which have been confirmed), so say that to them before you say that to me. A couple of things I am right about: Jamaica having less R160s then it did in 2010, having sent some to Coney Island in 2011 for the  transfer, then the  restoration in 2016, and last year's transit crisis; no other car type besides R160s can run on the  at the moment due to lack of sufficient rollsigns or programs; and R46s being pulled off Brighton twice due to residential complaints.

16 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

You should see all the crazy rumors going on YouTube.

One person even said on YouTube that he/she spoke to an employee at Coney island yard and the employee said that the r32's "are going to Concourse yard" Really???? I have to see it to believe that nonsense.

Although, I do admit to share theories about what may or may not happen, I also share info confirmed by the MTA.

Yes but truthfully Concourse may be the perfect yard for the R32s being that it currently only maintains one car type (as the MTA doesn't like having yards maintaining more than two different car types as it makes the tasks difficult) and R32s would be better on the  than the  since the 4th Avenue Line is four tracked all the way to the bridge and can use both the bypass and outer tracks at DeKalb Avenue should one of the pairs get blocked for whatever reasons. Trains can also terminate at Atlantic Avenue's express tracks without disrupting local service, so they do not have to worry about going through the Montague Tunnel. If that were the case, its R68s can go to the  because I heard its superintendent wants 600-feet trains on that route during the shutdown as they can hold more people than 480-foot trains. The honestly is a bad choice for the R32s because its two terminals are very far from rail yards, so if a train has to be taken OOS due to a breakdown or maintenance, they can't get a replacement train and it will cause a large gap in service. This happens on the   a lot, but I agree, best thing to do is sit back and wait.

16 hours ago, Far Rock Depot said:

"Confirmed" by who in the MTA? Cause if it by a "friend" whos crew or somethimg like that, i hate to break it to you, but most crews dont know either.  And other employee see a railfan and feed false i fo.  Cause they know youll go on the forums and run with it.   Olus, the MTA does have a habit of changimg plans last minute. As a former employee myself, i know this for fact.  Now as far as the G, whonsaid it was going to be 8 cars? Ot could be 10 (or 8-car 68s).  Rememeber, The G needs a small fleet. 

Yes it makes me laugh that some people believe any crap that comes out of a transit worker's mouth. Working for the MTA doesn't mean they know everything about the future.

3 hours ago, VIP said:

The  is due for CBTC  as per Byford’s capital plan. So obviously the 8-car R160’s will be housed at CI for  service even after the Shutdown. 

Byford's capital plan also has CBTC for every trunk line by 2030, with Lexington Avenue being next, but all the R62A lovers keep down playing the idea of the getting NTTs back because CBTC there won't be ready before their retirement, yet they are so confident about it being on Queens Boulevard, 8th Avenue or 6th Avenue on time. Don't you just love hypocrisy? 

We already know R32s and R42s CANNOT run on the  because they cannot fit through the Montague Street Tunnel. If god forbid something blocks the northbound DeKalb Avenue bridge track for several hours like a 12-9, power outage or track fire and there is already an R32/R42 in the tunnel under Flatbush, the only way it can proceed without disrupting other trains is via Montague. It cannot sit down there forever or turn back at Court Street without holding up other trains. We also already know the rumored Jamaica-Coney Island swap will NOT happen for the foreseeable future being that CBTC on Queens Boulevard will not be ready until the mid to late 2020s, R46s cannot run on the northbound local track on Brighton due to residential complaints about noise and vibrations, and no other car type besides R160s can run on the because of lack of sufficient rollsigns or programs. In fact, Jamaica recently loaned a few more R160s to Coney Island over the summer. Since August, I have been seeing some R160As on the   with   service posters on them and more R46s on the as well. It is already November (i.e. start of the Fall pick) and no one single car transfer has been made. Such a large swap would take a long time anyway (it took 5 years for Corona and Westchester to swap all their cars) and should have started already if Jamaica has to be all R160s before the Canarsie shutdown. As I said before, if that was the ultimate goal, someone please explain why Jamaica has been sending R160s to Coney Island numerous times over the past 7 years? Also, none of the other junk anyone says has been confirmed either.

23 hours ago, Coney Island Av said:

. P.S. The R46s on the  will leave for the  by the end of the year because the Jamaica-Coney Island swap will be happening soon. 

I just love how people keep bringing up this dumb rumored swap, yet never provide a reliable source for it, and no, what comes out of a transit worker's mouth is not a reliable source. They are not psychics and cannot see the future

21 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

Thats terrible news regarding the removal of the R46s from Jamaica to the . Guess I'll have to start walking everywhere. So much for wasting money renovating the Astoria Line stations to give those routes one of the oldest and most unreliable cars in the system. 

Yeah, I still avoid riding the R42s as much as possible due to my strong hate for them. Thankfully there are only 50 of those rusted tin cans and will be retired once all R179s are in service.

21 hours ago, RR503 said:

A shame you avoid a line on some highly distorted notion of subway performance... As I and many others have said before, an almost irrelevant percentage of late trains are charged to car equipment.

I actually think that the 46s are perfect for the . Those lines don’t have the volume to justify 60’ equipment, but fluidity at Ditmars would certainly be helped with the exclusion of our rollsigned fleet. 46s meet all those requirements, and sure, they’re not 160s, but those are more needed elsewhere. 

"Those lines don’t have the volume to justify 60’ equipment" Oh really? ride them yourself and you will they have way more ridership than the A, C, J/Z, M and R, especially on the Astoria Line, they will not want their awesome R160s replaced by fat old junks.

20 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

Why can't they just wait an extra year for the R211s and outright retire the R46s from Jamaica and Pitkin? Makes much better sense

They will as CBTC on Queens Boulevard will not be ready for another 5-6 years. I love how everything thinks it will go off without a hitch, yet CBTC on Flushing and Canarsie were well over 4 years behind schedule. If the ultimate goal was for Jamaica to be all R160s, someone please explain why Jamaica has been persistently giving Coney Island its R160s over the past 7 years?

20 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

only the Queens Blvd Express is in absolute need of CBTC, not the local, so I think Jamaica can live with just the R160s they've got. 

Actually they do need as many R160s in Astoria because of the capacity constraints the  have. 

- fleet shortage

- Manhattan Bridge/Dekalb Junction (only 10  trains per hour because it has to share with the )

- Whitehall St as a terrible terminal (only 6 tph)

- Ditmars Blvd cannot reverse more than 14 tph

*Service cannot be increased in Astoria, so 60 foot cars are a must. Have you even ridden the  ? Literally, the least crowded Manhattan NON-shuttle line in the system

Yep, hence it's dumb to give the fat R46s to the N/W when they have way more ridership than the R, though I would call an R46 on the W "Wario" because he wears yellow and has a black mustache (like the W logo) and is incredibly fat like an R46. Non CBTC equipment can still run on CBTC activated lines, hence it is not really urgent for the R to get R160s right now anyway. The F uses about 7-8 sets of R46s right now, so the five-car R179s can go to Coney Island, who will send enough R160s to Jamaica to make just the F all R160s.

 

16 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

For those who are speculating about CTBC related fleet swap read the article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/22/nyregion/nyc-subway-byford-proposal.html

In the event that the N, Q, W loses all r160's, some would go to Jamaica, some would go to Pitkin. Also, the 2 may lose their r142's in exchange of the r62s from the 6 and all r142's may need to be modified to be CTBC ready.

Lets see what happens. Again, nothing has been confirmed by the MTA in regards to CTBC fleet swap.

Right now the priority is the r179's and Canarsie.

R142s to the 6 and R62As to the 2? That would be a blessing considering how horrible the 6 has been since the crappy R62As took over.

12 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

The R42's are going to the , the will be R42,R46 and R68.

The R46's are gonna be on the and  as well.

The R32's are going to be only on the and lines. 

Im glad the is keeping some R32's, with the R179's the will have a decent balance of 60 foot cars.

I just hope they don't f**k the over and give those R179's to the or lines instead.

 

 

11 hours ago, mine248 said:

They better not....the (A) needs more capacity to handle the L crush. 

If Coney Island gives R160s to Jamaica, it better get all the five-car R179s in their place as the NTTs are the only cars that can handle the heavy loads along Brighton and 2nd Avenue on the Q, not to mention no SMEEs have the 96th Street rollsigns or programs and R46s cannot run on the northbound local track of Brighton due to residential complaints about noise and vibrations. I just love how people are such hypocrites, saying 60 footers are badly needed for the A because of crowding, yet 75 footers will do well on the more crowded N and Q trains, or how R68/68As will do well on the Q because it has the same terminals 24/7, but are horrible on the G even though it too has the same terminals 24/7. Reminds me of the time R32 3838 said on Facebook that when the G was transferred to Coney Island in 2011, it should have gotten R160s instead of R68/68As, which would have been dumb as the N needed the R160s more, being that it has way more ridership than the G and allowed Astoria to maintain a full R160 fleet. If all what he said is true, Coney Island would have too many different car types to handle. East New York has been complaining about that issue, which is why they are so happy the R32s and R42s will soon be off the J/Z. 

1 hour ago, Q23 via 108 said:

Let me hear your top five trains when it comes to reliability. I'm talking about those trains that are there when you needed the most. There are 20 something lines in NYC, but which ones are the best of the best? My 5 are the (No Paricular Order)     and . In my humble opinion, these 5 trains have never done me any wrong and have great service. Interested in what your top 5 are.

I will just give my best to worst list and my reasons for them:

 has always been my favorite with its very frequent service, fast express runs, many unique stations, and great views of Queens. I miss the R62As and the railfan windows they had, though.
 frequent service, runs fast in Brooklyn (even faster than the express) and Manhattan, the Manhattan Bridge offers a great view of Lower Manhattan, love the new stations along 2nd Avenue, and is all R160s, but trains can sometimes run irregularly since they conflict with other routes.
 frequent service, fast express run in Queens, and is all R160s, but it gets extremely crowded along 53rd Street.
 frequent service, all R142/142As, runs fast in Manhattan and Brooklyn, and offers nice views of the Bronx, including Yankee Stadium, but it runs slow in that borough, is always crowded, and weekend service is low.
 frequent weekday service, fast express runs in Queens, awesome views of Brooklyn (even though it runs slow there), and is mostly R160s, but weekend service is low, trains run irregularly due to its long route and sharing of tracks with other services, and still uses some slow R46s.
 frequent weekday service, runs fast for a local, and the route has many unique points, including the World Trade Center site box, Broadway Bridge crossing, 91st Street, Dyckman Street Tunnel, and Manhattan Valley Viaduct, but its R62As are crapping out and getting around some of the Upper Manhattan stations is annoying since they either have no crossovers/crossunders or are very deep.
 the Sea Beach Line looks beautiful in the winter, the Astoria Line has a fascinating view of the surrounding area and the service is mostly R160s, but trains run irregularly since they conflict with other routes and the 4th Avenue Express run is plagued with timers.
 frequent service, is all NTTs, and the route has many unique points, especially at Wilson Avenue and south of Broadway Junction, but it is crowded all the time and goes through some scary neighborhoods.
 is all R142s, the express runs in the Bronx and Manhattan are great and the line north of East 180th Street is a throwback to the old NYC railroad services, but off-peak service is low and trains are often irregular and crowded.
 is all R142s, fast express runs in Manhattan and has nice views of the Bronx, but trains are extremely irregular and crowded, run slow in the Bronx and Brooklyn, and weekend service is low.
 short waiting time, runs fast for a local in Manhattan, not very crowded, the route passes through three closed stations, and has good views of south Bronx, but weekend service is low and I really miss the R142As as the R62As have resulted in more delays due to longer dwelling time and garbled announcements and loss of my two favorite automated announcements.
 fast express runs in Manhattan and the IRT New Lots Line has nice views of Brooklyn, but it  does not run frequently and the neighborhoods in Brooklyn it goes to are not safe.
 uses R160s, R179s and R32s, the route has many unique portions and the elevated sections allow amazing views of northern Brooklyn and Queens, but trains run infrequently, are slow during off-peak hours, still has 50 rusted tin can R42s, the short express section between Myrtle and Marcy Avenues is near pointless, and skip-stop service needs to run for the entire rush hour frame and in both directions.
 really low scheduled service, has an all underground route, and goes through some dangerous neighborhoods in Brooklyn, but the R32s and R160As can run very fast, even faster than the express.
Franklin Avenue  waiting time is long, people tend to hold the car doors at the terminals, and transferring to/from other trains is a hassle, but the route has many historical features.
 very low scheduled service, but it is all R160s and the Myrtle Avenue Line has a lot of historical features.
42nd Street  pretty boring since it only travels between two stops in an entirely underground route, is often crowded, and prone to people holding the doors, but it is a vital part of the subway's history and I love the promotional decorations it always gets.
 infrequent, irregular service, the chubby R68s ruin the express sections, and runs slow on West End, but that section offers great views of the surrounding area even though it needs express service and the Concourse Line has some interestingly-built stations.
 low scheduled service and there is nothing special about this train as it just a weekday supplement to others, but at least it is mostly R160s.
 long scheduled waits, trains do not arrive on time, and its overweight R68/68As ruin the express run on Brighton, though it can be fast if you catch it on time.
 very prone to delays, gaps, and bunching due to its long route, waiting time for each branch in Queens is horrendous, weekend service sucks, and the fat R46s spoil the express runs in Manhattan and Brooklyn, but it runs a few sets of R32s and the Rockaway section has spectacular views of Jamaica Bay and the peninsula.
Rockaway Park  : very low scheduled frequency and overcrowded in the summer, but the route offers great views of the Atlantic Ocean and Rockaways.
 has short-length trains and infrequent service. The lone good thing about it is the Gowanus El crossing.
 has always been my least favorite train with its slow and boring route as it is the system's longest local with no outdoor portions except for a small section in Bay Ridge, trains do not run often, are prone to irregularity, and the obese R46s do not help much, but at least a couple of R160s run on it periodically.

14 hours ago, bwwnyc123 said:

Why do some people dislike older subway cars and prefer NTTs?

Because NTTs are superior to older cars in every single way, faster, less breakdowns, brighter interiors, wider doors, clear automated announcements, more glass and not fat-looking.

11 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

Actually I have to commute to 77 St and Lex every day, so I take the  to 59 St-Lexington Av and give myself a good 18 block walk. So that’s good exercise. As for when I have to commute to other places that may require the aforementioned lines, I’ll just ride to a “nearby” stop and walk the distance.

 

also just to avoid the  to get to Bedford, i use the  —>  —>  * (necessary evil to avoid the  and hipsters).

 

End of my ranting regarding being selective/prejudiced.

 

10 hours ago, EphraimB said:

A few months ago when the R32s got displaced to the  from the , I entered the Far Rockaway-Mott Av station platform at 9:17AM to get on my 9:23AM train to my work in Lower Manhattan. There was an R32 sitting in the station scheduled to leave at 9:23AM and there was another R32 pulling into the station scheduled to leave at 9:43AM. I wanted to avoid the R32s at that time so I decided to take the 9:23AM train to Beach 60 St. I then transferred to the Q52 SBS and took it to Queens Blvd/Woodhaven Blvd. I then transferred to the  train (R46) at Woodhaven Blvd and took it to Jackson Heights-Roosevelt Av. I then took the  train (R160) to Lexington Av-63 St. I then did the walk to Lexington Av/59 St. I then took the  train (R142) to Wall St. I got to work about an hour late.

I still do my best to avoid the R42s and R44s at all costs due to my extreme hate for them. When the  used R32s, R38s, and R44s in 2007-08, I would always wait for an R32 or R38 or just take the instead. When the sleeky and shiny R32s were replaced by the rusted and ugly R42s on the , I just avoided riding it until the R32s and R46s returned and the R44s finally retired. thankfully. When the same thing happened to the , I would always wait for an R32 until January 2009 when the became mostly R40M/42s, then I just avoided that service until it became all R160s the following summer. I remember riding an R42 in March 2009 for 20 minutes from 18th Avenue to Jay Street and it was so horrible, the only thing that kept me from losing my mind was the miserable look on everyone else's faces. Now when an R42 shows up on the ,  unless I am in a real hurry or only going a couple of stops, I would wait for the next train, which is likely not an R42. Same with the R46s on the . I have also stopped riding the entirely since those crappy R62As replaced the awesome R142As, taking away my two favorite automated announcements. A service that used to be one of my favorites is now one of the worst. I just take the to the nearest express stop and walk and use Lexington Avenue-63rd Street to get to school despite its depth and long escalators as the and are mostly and all R160s, respectively. 

1 hour ago, Jemorie said:

There isn't anything wrong with making the Coney Island lines just R46s and R68s with the exception of the  being four-car R160s with a few R32s btw.

Actually there would, have way more ridership than the  so putting 75 footers on them would cause massive delays. People who disagree with me need to get their butts off the computer and ride the  five days a week nearly from end-to-end like I do.

1 hour ago, R32 3838 said:

If the R160/46 swap happens there would be a chunk of R46's left to run on the . The R68's that are on the will go to the or lines while the receives 8 car tech trains with a small group of R32s. 

 

Making the mostly 60 foot smees would create a big problem and those riders along the brighton are very vocal so good luck with that. Last time an R32 ran on the was in 2010. Politics are strong in south Brooklyn.

 

Yes politics is strong in Brooklyn, which is exactly why that dumb Jamaica-Coney Island swap will not happen as  riders all love the R160s and do not want them replaced with fat old junks like I said many times, plus realistically, QBL CBTC is at least 5-6 years away. Great job being a hypocrite on this and many other topics (e.g. 75 footers being horrible on the  yet would do well on the more heavily used Broadway Lines, the NTTs not needed to be on the  as it has the same service 24/7, but needed for the  even though it also has the same service 24/7, ). 

2 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

Remember the  will get more ridership during the Canarsie shutdown as well as the .

 

Honestly, that is very overhyped and the 's ridership may not rise as much as you think. The only  riders who would use the  would be those in the Broadway Junction area and south. Those to the north would use the    as they are closer and have faster access to Lower and Midtown Manhattan. ridership may not rise as much as you think as it does not go to Manhattan. It will probably only be high between Broadway and Court Square for transferring.

9 hours ago, thicctrain said:

Alright, here's a new roster if I understand all the new things:

R179-  

R160-  

R143-  

R68-  

R42-

R32-  

Not sure though.

 

9 hours ago, thicctrain said:

Oh yeah, the  will still have a few R68s.

Also I forgot the R46s- they'll be on the .

Not a very accurate car assignment roster. There will not be any R160s or R42s on the , R68s on the  , R46s on the  or R32s on the but i guess everyone can live in their own dumb fantasy. R42s are being retired by the end of this year or early next, the R68s have proven to be unable to handing the heavy loads along Brighton and 2nd Avenue, and the will still use R68/68As during the shutdown as full length trains. 

Though if R46s do run on the (W), I would call it "Wario" because his main colors are black and yellow like the W logo and he is incredibly fat like an R46

24 minutes ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

As for the / swap, it is just an idea to ensure that all trains that connect to the  in Brooklyn have the most reliable car fleet.

That won't really make a difference. All cars will break down eventually and the  will also connect to the during the shutdown, yet I have not heard you say it should use R142/142As.

8 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

I meant the r32's and r42's. The best fit for the r42's if they do run during the Canarsie shutdown would be the Rockaway Shuttle, while the  has the r179's, r32's and hopefully r160's (10 car), and the  hopefully gets 10 car r160's. The r46's from the  and  can go to the  and .

 

Coney Island wont give any R160s away. N and W riders love them and would fume if they were replaced by fat old junks. Besides, they still have way more ridership than the A and C, hence need to stay mostly 60 footers. The C will be 100% R46s while the A will be half r46s and R32s. The 10 car R179s may or may not run on the A or C. They may also go to Jamaica for the F and R, which will mean more R46s for Pitkin, they can also go to Coney Island to make the N and W all NTTs, which would mean more R68s for the G, but we will see. R42s can't run on the shuttle because of OPTO, there are no plans to run the shuttle full length at all times. They'll be retired once enough R179s are in service. People keep saying the transit system needs more cars during the L train shutdown yet do not realize most lines and yards are already at near capacity during rush hours, especially the Williamsburg Bridge, Cranberry Tunnel, and Culver Line between Bergen street and church avenue, so the TA cannot really run more trains on the A, C, G, J , M, Z than they do now. Besides, they can also borrow cars from the L during the shutdown. And i really hope no one brings up QBL CBTC again as it really has no relevance to the R179s and will not be ready until 2024-2025 the earliest.

I find it dumb the  still runs local between Times Square and Chambers during this suspension when the  is not running, thus there are no trains holding them up on the express tracks at 14th Street, meaning it can run express on the entire 7th Avenue segment instead of just north of Times Square which only saves 3-4 minutes from the local. I also find it dumb the  and  need to switch routes north of East 180th Street during the Clark Street Tunnel closure being that the Dyre Avenue Line is not much shorter than the northern White Plains Road Line. In fact, it only takes about 4-6 extra minutes for a train to travel between East 180th and Wakefield compared to one traveling between East 180th and Dyre, hence it should not be a huge problem for train crews.

Another G.O. I find dumb even though it provides great photo/video opportunities is the  and  swap in Brooklyn. it causes massive confusion for riders, especially since Grand Street, Sunset Park and West End Line have many riders who do not understand English. If the TA needs to do work on the 7th Avenue-53rd Street area, they should leave the  alone and run the in two sections: between the Bronx and via the  after 59th Street and  after West 4th Street to 2nd Avenue, and between Brooklyn and West 4th Street/Broadway-Lafayette Street on its normal route. Heck the  can even run to 96th Street/2nd Avenue if there is no work being done on the 6th Avenue express tracks.

Another G.O. I do not get, how come on weekends when there is an express reroute on the Woodlawn Line, some  trains terminate at 125th while on weekdays for same reroute all  trains can go to Woodlawn? Waiting 16+ minutes for a train on an entire line can be a huge pain. and why have  trains been running local in Manhattan on weekends lately while the  can still run express?

1 hour ago, darkstar8983 said:

Actually, the  spends more time outdoors than the  

The  has the outdoor segment from Prospect Park to Brighton Beach (and terminal dwell times), and the Manhattan Bridge outdoor portion. The  spends less time in Manhattan than the , while the  remains underground from 207 St to past Euclid Av, and even though it has the Far-Rockaway branch, the  would spend too much time continuously underground while it treks to 207 St, dwells, and comes back. 

As for the Jamaica/Coney Island swap, it really is dependent (time-wise) on whether Queens Blvd CBTC is on schedule. If it is not on schedule, no point in swapping the cars out because if 60-foot cars/R160s are assigned on an as-needed basis to lines with heavy ridership, then the  definitely hits the bottom of the barrel and should keep the R46s (with the  keeping the R160s for the time being). And if it falls even further behind (especially learning the lessons from the delays in Flushing CBTC), might as well wait for the R211s to arrive and then the R46s wont even have to be moved to another yard to just be there fore 3 months before retirement

 

Most people commenting here are total hypocrities. They keep whining about how horrible the A is using the 75 footers yet say they would be fine on the N, Q and W when they clearly have much ridership than the A. The Q especially since 2nd Avenue opened, which is why the fat 75 footers will never run on it again. It makes me laugh how they think QBL CBTC will go off without a hitch in recent times many other projects like flushing CBTC, opening of 34th street hudson yards, reopening of cortlandt st and the r179 order were all behind schedule. I rode on QBL recently and barely 10% of the project is done, so R46s to CI will never happen. It's also funny how Jamaica will be 100% R160s yet over the years, Jamaica has been persistently giving its R160s to Coney Island. In fact I think they did it again recently being that i have seen a few r160s on the N Q W with E and F service posters on them. If the ultimate goal was for Jamaica to be all R160s, why didn't they send R46s to CI when the G was transferred there in 2011, when the W was restored, or during last year's state of emergency.

6 minutes ago, trainfan22 said:

If the 42's are so bad then why did the TA decide to use them on  shuttle which is isolated from the rest of the system? If they were really that bad, I'm sure we would be hearing about how horrible service is on that shuttle due to the 42's constantly breaking down. They could have easily used 32's, if the 42's can run on a 24/7 shuttle cut off from the overhaul shops, I think they can run for another three years or so when the  train tube work is complete. If anything, they just dump three sets on the Rock Park rush hour  specials if they are that bad 

Actually from what I heard, the M shuttle does stink because of the R42s and few people ride it because they hate them so much. In fact the R32s were supposed to be used on there, but J riders preferred them more, so r42s were used instead, plus they're actually less prone to breakdowns if they run back and forth a short distance and fresh pond yard has a temporary overhaul shop for them, so his post is nonsensical. 

ELECTRICAL IMPROVEMENTS
 Trains skip 168 St in both directions

 trains and  free shuttle buses provide alternate service
Weekend, 6:45 AM Sat to 8 PM Sun, Jan 20 - 21

I guess they are doing elevator work that weekend, which is why the  cannot stop at that station?

 

EQUIPMENT TESTING
 Brighton Beach-bound trains run local from Prospect Park to Kings Hwy

Days, 10 AM to 3:30 PM, Mon to Fri, Jan 29 - Feb 2  

What exactly are they testing? I thought the R179s have finished all their tests.

3 hours ago, R42Ctrain4069 said:

Where would the R42s go then? Surely they just can't scrap them. 

They will be scrapped. They will not be needed anywhere once the Myrtle viaduct project is done. ENY will have enough R160s, R179s, and R143s and 207th street and Pitkin will have enough  R32s and R46s. Plus there are only 50 rusted tin cans in service, so retiring them will not take too long and it would be illogical to keep them if the TA wants to retire at least 50 R32s.

On 12/20/2017 at 5:08 AM, R32 3838 said:

I heard the people overthere complained because they like the seating arrangement on the R46's. 

More like they are too fat for the R32s, from my own experience, especially along Liberty Avenue, which is why the  would be 100% 75 footers today if the R160s retired the remaining R32s and R42s as planned.

1 hour ago, Around the Horn said:

Oh they'll need them alright... If its all going down the way that several people have told me so, none of the R68/As would remain on the , instead running on the  

R68/68As are staying on the . No way the chubby chicks would run on the Broadway Lines again due to the roll-sign issues at Astoria, lack of 96th Street signs, and the fact they cannot handle the heavy loads along 2nd Avenue (same reason why the R46s will never run on the  again)

54 minutes ago, R32 3838 said:

 

I already heard the rumor of R46 trains. That's if they actually do the R160/46 swap. Its obvious that swap is happening. But its just a matter of when. 

 

But like i said before sources can be wrong, it has happen numerous times because mta likes to change things around last minute. 

But i don't mind seeing the with no R68's tho, im not a fan of them on the (B).

 

Its all up to car equipment to make these decisions.

More like it is obvious the swap is NOT happening based on several factors:

- Jamaica having less R160s than it did in 2011, having sent over 100 of them to Coney Island in the past 6 1/2 years for the (G)'s transfer and  restoration

- CBTC on Queens Boulevard not being ready until at least 2024-2025, when there will be enough R211s in service to retire simply Jamaica's R46s,

- NYCT not wanting the yards to maintain more than two different car types,

- (N)(W) riders loving the R160s so much, they were bash the MTA if they see fat old junks in their place,

- R46s not being allowed to make frequent, regular runs on Brighton due to persistent noise complaints from nearby residents). When I went to get a video of that one R46 morning  train, I noticed it was considerably louder than the R68/68As and R160s and caused more vibrations. Heck, I can even hear it from my home every morning and I live about five blocks from the line. 

The reason the TA plans to retrofit almost all R160s with CBTC (which has not even happened yet despite their plans to start in early 2015) is in case of the unfortunate event of an (N)(Q) or  train being rerouted to Queens Boulevard. Max Diamond posted a video last week of a  going there due to an incident at 2nd Avenue and someone posted a video a few years of ago of an  going to Forest Hills due to an incident at Astoria. The same logic is being used as to why R32s will not go on the (B). 

I agree the overweight R68/68As suck on the  to the point where the  goes faster in Brooklyn, but they will be stuck where they are until their retirement.

Give and take. Would they prefer shorter trains that are newer or longer trains that are older?

 

Some people prefer the new trains regardless of length 

On 12/23/2017 at 12:37 AM, Calvin said:

Most of the time I get on a Downtown, it has to bypass a few stops. 

Blame those crappy R62As. Their narrower doors and hard to understand announcements are causing trains to sit at stations a bit longer than usual, which adds up over time. The  needs its NTTs back. I stopped using that train to get to/from Hunter College as a result. Their A/C has also been very bad. They should have stayed on the (7). It has a shorter route and mostly elevated.

22 hours ago, Ntrainfave said:

Could R46s ever be displaced on the  and  lines? It would actually make sense and be much easier to switch from one to the other at Ditmars since they are half-digital. 

 

11 hours ago, Bosco said:

If the Jamaica/Coney Island swap materializes (to make Jamaica 100% R160), then they will have to run R46s on the .

Unlikely to happen, there will be enough R211s in service to retire Jamaica's R46s or send them to Pitkin by the time CBTC is ready on Queens Boulevard, plus N/W riders will be furious to see their new cars replaced by old 40+ year old junks. The N and W only use a few sets of R68/68As and the rollsign thing isn't really that bad. The B and 6 got the same issues and no one ever talks about them.

Actually, it is entirely possible to change the balance of 4 and 5 car units to include more 5-car units and less 4-car units.

 

Also, expect the first equipment swaps to start in September. 

 

Everything is subject to change though. Stay tuned I guess!

 

What equipment swaps? Are the R179s starting their 30-day acceptance test next month? I don't see big car assignment changes happening until many of them are in service.

 

 

It has been noted plenty of times by me and others on this forum and others that R32's (and all remaining B Division passenger cars from R42  on down) are not allowed in the Montague Tube.  PERMANENTLY.  And this situation will not be corrected because of the small number of cars involved.  

 

Does the B operate via the Montague Tube?  Of course not.  But the possibility always exists in case the railroad goes bad.  Senario: B train of R32's has already left Prospect Park and is at either 7th Ave. or Atlantic/Barclays.  NYPD calls NYCT and says "Suspend your service over  the Manhattan Bridge".  What happens to that B train and any others between Prospect Park and DeKalb?  You can't turn at Lawrence/Metro Tech because you have severe crowding and it will delay your only route to Manhattan.  Therefore NYCT will NOT assign any R32 to any Southern Division route.

 

 

And I said that it would cause more of a delay and crowd condition.  Don't you get it?  You have both tracks of the bridge off limits, and it does happen because things happen up there and NYPD will close it for "security".  You now only have one track to Manhattan: the route via the Montague.  IT IS a big deal if you have to halt things so you can turn a train at the interlocking between Court and MetroTech.  You are slowing down service even more because it takes time to get the passengers off that R32.  And you are crowding the station you discharged at with the passengers from that R32.

 

All this seems to be a railfan thing.  "I want those R32's on the B because they somehow belong on the Brighton Line".  Even though they will be laid up on weekends, the line does run till close to midnight M-F.  Plus air conditioning failures will be often because very little of the line is outside.  Once the R32 leaves Prospect Park, it takes a long time for that train to get back to Prospect Park for the a/c units to get outside air.

 

Once these 4 car units arrive, NYCT and NYCT alone, will decide where to run the R32's.  But rest assured they will not run on any line that goes near DeKalb Ave.

 

 

I am a retired t/o who had 34 years on the job, so I know a little something about how the place operates just like you. IJS. I realize you were discussing this with DJ, but I have a right to respond because the discussion was not messenger based, rather this is a member forum.

  

It may not matter to you on how infrequent a service interruption of this magnitude happens, but you should know by now how senior management thinks.  Something may have a very slight chance of happening, but management takes those precautions anyway.  They may allow the issue with an R32 happen once, but after that they always take precautions that the same issue does not happen again.  Hence my opposition to R32's on the B.  Don't you think senior management has thought of putting R32's on the B so they would have part time use?  I bet they did and they vetoed it for the reason I stated earlier.

 

Just because you worked for the MTA does not make you Mr. Know-It-All. What are the odds of something catastrophic happening that shuts down all four tracks of the Manhattan Bridge? A lot less than winning the lottery. Besides, there would be no reason to send the B down Montague Street if something like that were to happen as the N, Q, and R have priority down there, plus trains can just sit there and wait or be stored at the DeKalb Avenue outer tracks or the tunnels toward the bridge. I cannot think of any other train service the R32s can run on. The are too long and have little outdoor portions, are fully underground, no 96th Street roll signs for the , putting them on the would require new conductor boards and stop signs, and no reason for them to stay on the or Eastern Division when the four-car R179s come on, thus the is the only suitable service for them. Not only is it a weekday-only service, giving them plenty of time to cool off outdoors at Coney Island and Concourse, trains can also be stored on the tracks between Brighton Beach and Ocean Parkway during the day. The only other suitable service is the as it is also a weekday-only route and has a relatively short line, but the problem is it shares cars with the , which would create assignment mixups.

 

I think that the R32 will most likely stay on the A during the Canarsie Tunnel shutdown, in addition, some R46 cars from the A that will be replace by the R32 will go to the F line & the remaining R160 cars from the F will go to the G.

 

Current plans are for the five-car R179s to go on the A, transfer the R46s to Jamaica, which will then give more R160s to Coney Island for the N, Q and W

The return of the R32 on the B train? I guess it could work. That train is only part time. But I don't want that train to JUST have the R32s...

 

The B requires 23-25 trains a day, so there are not enough R32s for the entire route. The TA still plans to retire all R42s by next year and only keep 160-170 R32s, so the B will likely be no more than 30-35% R32s, just enough to make the G full-length R68/68As during the Canarsie Tubes shutdown.

 

And with it being Bombardier (honestly their name is making more sense by the order) they have enough issues as it is and are late with most of their deliveries. A change by NYC might make them break

 

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All-in-all, I don't except the C to be full length. The TA already determined last year that there is not enough ridership to warrant 600-foot trains on that service, so unless ridership suddenly sky-rocketed in the last few months, the C Will remain 480-foot long. Besides, most people just take it to the next express stop for the A and when it used R44s and R46s, the trains were practically empty. All trains are crowded during rush hours, you can't do anything about it.

 

I don't know what you're talking about.  The has already stated publicly that the WILL be longer in length.  You're welcome to doubt that but it came from the horses mouth:

 

If the runs with one less car currently, then that means it will be full length.

 

Source: http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Subway-Audit-State-of-Emergency-MTA-Plan-Modernize-Lhota-Cuomo-436541583.html

Just because Joe Lhota said the MTA plans on lengthening C trains does not mean they will actually do it. It is just an option at the moment.

Just run the dam to Coney Island...

 

The TA is not doing that likely because they do not want to confuse the hell out of West End riders, most of who cannot read or speak English well. Recall that G.O. where the and swapped routes in Brooklyn back in February. I found dozens of Chinese folks at Atlantic Avenue and 36th Street waiting for a and wondering why it was not coming and what the was doing there. If I had not told them the was taking the 's place, who knows how long they would have waited there. I do not think they will ever do that again.

 

Actually, what I would be doing here is to replace the in Manhattan and the Bronx with a re-routed , running regular route to 47-50 and then via the to 205.  You could have enhanced service for this.

 

I do not think there are enough cars to extend the via Central Park West and Concourse anyway.

 

"So we're adding the   to the   &   conga line at Forest Hills? Oh, joy...  <_<"

 

I am actually surprised they can terminate three different services at Forest Hills at the same time.

Does anyone know exactly which RTS bus numbers still have the side signs on the bottom of the window like in this video? I usually see them on Jamaica and East New York bus depots, but are there others?

 

IIRC, all Nova Bus RTSs originally had those signs on the bottom while their TMC and GMC counterparts had them on the top, but I am assuming the Nova Bus RTSs had the signs moved up after their predecessors retired because it blocked drivers and passengers' views?

The line will receive R32s, which have one of the highest rates of breakdowns between repairs. I'm not sure if that's anything to celebrate. If the line received R160s then I would agree.

The B won't be 100% R32s, they're only keeping about half the current fleet and retiring all R42s as soon as enough R179s enter to replace them, so the B will likely only be 30% R32s and it's a weekday only route, so they can get plenty of rest. Besides, the Brighton Express will be much better with them, especially the faster speed and front window views. Only one word to describe the chubby chicks currently on the B, SLOW! The Q often goes faster nowadays and I stop waiting for the B for that reason.

 

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Is there a legitimate reason for sending it to 96 Street over 71 Av knowing QB needs the extra service?

 

There will still be plenty of cbtc work on QB that will make it impossible to fit the M there on weekends and nights as it won't be ready until the mid to late 2020s. Someone else said the M should serve QB 7 days a week during the shutdown and the R should be rerouted via Astoria or 2nd Avenie, but that's not feasible for obvious reasons.

That's still a 3 way swap that's unnecessarily needed

 

Whats the point of involving another line with another fleet of cars with a swap between two lines?

 

The whole point of the R188 order is more or less a swap with the cars and the cars. Why throw the into the mix?

 

I don't think a 3-way swap would require any more work for the current two-way swap since the R62As from Corona have to go through Jerome Yard to get to Westchester anyway, so send the R62As to Jerome, then send its R142/142As to Westchester. It would make sense for the to have R62As instead of the since Corona has enough of them to make the all R62As rather than leave 80-90 R142As on the . Not to mention the was never supposed to get NTTs in the first place, the was, but those East Side wanted all NTTs on their line and they are already starting to whine about the (6)'s R62As.

 

 

 

 

Both you and Union Tpke are correct that there is nothing wrong with sending all Corona's R62As to Jerome and all of Jerome's R142/As to Westchester, because of all the things you just said. Excellent point and justification. But unfortunately, that's not going to be the case at all, so we're just going to have to deal with it. Maybe the just feels that the and swap is a simple one. Oh well I guess.

 

As for your last sentence, well, all other lines run mixed fleets of three different car types or so whenever new cars are being delivered. The R62s were all being transfered from Jerome to Livonia anyway, whereas the gave up its R62As for the .

 

I don't blame riders for hating the R62As. It's pretty clear to me that service is drastically deteriorating because of them. People do not like their dark danky interiors, the narrower doors have resulted in longer dwelling time in stations, the garbled announcements force commuters to ask conductors if the train stops at where they want to go, further delaying them since they have to make announcements manually, and the side signs are often wrong, making it unclear if the train terminates at Parkchester or Pelham Bay Park, and conductors don't help, often simply saying "This is a Bronx-bound 6 train." If I was a conductor on the , I would enjoy imitiating my two favorite announcements word-for-word. Of course, even if NTTs miraculously stay on the , "This is a Pelham Bay Park-bound 6 train making express stops in the Bronx" will not live long since the MTA wants to shorten announcements, so they will probably say "6 express to Pelham Bay Park" or "6 to Pelham Bay Park, express in the Bronx."

About the announcements...LOL

I rode a R62A from Astor Pl last week.Somehow the CR got the recordings Mr Railfan made(or made themselves) and played it over the PA

About the announcements...LOL

I rode a R62A from Astor Pl last week.Somehow the CR got the recordings Mr Railfan made(or made themselves) and played it over the PA

I hope the MTA orders all weekday afternoon R62A conductors to get recordings of "This is a Pelham Bay Park-bound 6 train making express stops in the Bronx" and play it every single stop in Manhattan. That way, I can still hear the one thing that puts on a smile on my face no matter how bad of a day I had.

 

They should also get recordings of "Ladies and gentlemen, this is the last downtown stop on this train. The next stop on this train will be Brooklyn Bridge on the uptown platform" since I seriously doubt the conductors would want to say that upon reaching the last stop and the MTA wants riders to know they can ride around the City Hall loop.

 

Of course, I don't except R62As to be on the for long due to increased dwelling time and breakdowns, leading to less reliable service and more crowding and delays, and complaints from Westchester Crew and Upper East Side residents. It's funny how they're willing to severely downgrade one line to improve another that does not even need major improvements right now. I guess flushing riders are more important tgan lexington and pelham to the mta. Like how they see sea beach west end and 4 ave more than brighton

- Would be hard to given that the middle track was never built for express service in the first place...

- Will not work, just as last time. Nobody wants the .

- Leffers people want the express, not the local. Multiple thread have been locked because they kept bringing up this subject.

- This actually seems like a good idea. It used to work before, it could work again.

 

The would have been more successful if it ran as a peak direction express between 96th Street and 145th Streets and/or 242nd Street and Dyckman Street. Lots of middle class upper Manhattan and Bronx residents who work in Midtown or Lower Manhattan would have taken it. It was the complaints of high class Upper West Side residents that doomed the service. Some trains run nonstop after 167th Street and terminate at Burnside Avenue right now, so implementing a fully weekday express service would not be too hard. It is funny how Lefferts Boulevard riders would rather wait 20 minutes for an express than 10 minutes for a local. They do not seem to realize that the increased waiting time cancels out any time an express train saves. Extending the to Lefferts and rerouting all trains to the Rockaways would benefit those on both lines with shorter waiting time, not to mention it would be quite easy to transfer between a local and express at Rockaway Boulevard. The running express in Manhattan would eliminate the Prince Street switching and keep trains more consistent since the and would run on the same track from the Manhattan Bridge to Astoria all the way instead of merging, separating for a short time, and remerging, which causes severe irregularity. Nobody rides the much since it is fully local, so it can handle the Broadway Local north of Canal Street by itself.

: implement peak-direction express service on the entire Woodlawn Line on weekdays.

: 7-day service to/from Brooklyn College-Faltbush Avenue, have Nereid Avenue trains run express north of East 180th Street, late night extension to Grand Central-42nd Street via Lexington Avenue express and Bronx local.

: bring it back and have it run express in peak direction from 96th to 145th Street and Dyckman to 242nd Streets while the stays local.

: all service to Far Rockaway-Mott Avenue and have Rockaway Park trains run express in Queens.

: operates on weekends with its usual weekday route.

: extended to Lefferts Boulevard-Ozone Park whenever it operates. The late night shuttle can stay the same.

: implement a new West End peak direction express service, does not have to use the same letter.

: during rush hours, have Coney Island trains run express in Brooklyn in either peak direction or both ways depending on section.

: expand skip-stop service to the full rush hour frame and in both directions, or have reverse-peak direction trains that originate/terminate at Broadway Junction run express between there and Myrtle Avenue.

: rush hour skip-stop service with a new letter, peak or both direction.

: have it run express on Broadway on weekdays again.

 

All other services can stay the same.

Do you think the average subway rider (a.k.a. commuter), really cares?   Most don't look at what the train is, they are so involved in their phones (calling, texting), reading and don't pay any attention to even what other passengers are doing unless someone creates a scene.   Their only concern is that they get on the correct train and get to where they want to go and hopefully with no delay.  The R142's are so dirty now, so I doubt most are complaining unless they have to maybe stand.   Also, who are they going to complain to?  Most don't want to be on the subway, and they're happy when they are finally off and out of the subway.

 

Yes they do, why else do we have the current car assignments the way they are? Political pressure and residential complaints. I saw all four R62A trains today in a span of two hours and they were practically empty while the R142As were packed. My favorite announcement was ruined.

 

Everyone else is so lucky I go and take the 7 only R62A's.

 

Don't feel bad, I have only rode on an R188 once and TBH, it's just like an R142A. What a complete waste of time and money. CBTC is going to kill Flushing like it's killing Canarsie. Lexington Avenue and Queens Boulevard are next in line for CBTC, so looks like R62As won't be on the for too long.

 

Why do the Queens riders "deserve" new cars? Did the 6 riders do something wrong? o.O. The 6 is just as heavy, if not heavier than the 7. Why does the 6 now have to deal with smaller doors, crappy interior lighting, manual announcements and slower cars?

 

Before a huge debate blows up, I'm just trying to make a point here. I don't think you should be saying one group of riders "deserve" something over another. Personally, I don't care as much about the R62A on the 6 because I only ride it for a short distance. I'm usually on the 4, 5. If I had it my way, I would just forget about the CBTC thing on Flushing and wait for the R62As to be retired before getting new cars for the 7 and leave the R142As on the 6, but of course, I'm just one person. At the end of the day, I won't really care what I'll be riding as long as:

A. It doesn't break down every time I get on it

B. It's clean

I would rather just have the 2, 5 take the R62As because the 5 never even shows up half the time and it barely runs on most weekends due to GOs, but once again, it's not my decision. Not to mention the R142s make it easy to switch between a 2 and 5 at Flatbush. Most riders will just take the conversion in stride and not even bat an eye at the R62As, but as for the select few who will complain (looking at the UES riders), lets see how far that will get them...

 

It's funny how people keep saying R62As would make the swap difficult when it's already difficult on the because Westchester crew is too lazy to change the front and rear signs. Oftentimes, I see a on the front and/or rear when the train is really a and vice-versa, a Parkchester-bound local with "Pelham Bay Park" on the top rollsign (and vice-versa) or a Pelham Bay Park-bound express with "Parkchester" on top. Watch Westchester crew complain about having to do all that work and the R62As will be pulled soon. Also, I don't think conductors want to have to make that long announcement at Brooklyn Bridge-City Hall (Ladies and gentleman, this is the last downtown stop on this train, the next stop on this train will be Brooklyn Bridge-City Hall on the uptown platform).

 

The R62As would work wonders on the since it has the same two terminals 24/7, so changing them is uneeded, plus 7th Avenue would be all R62/62As while Lexington Avenue will remain all NTTs, thus making both trunk lines easier to maintain.

 

The would be more complicated with its numerous routes, but hey, it would make it easier to distinguish it from the and and the LED circle and diamond can help distinguish whether it is going to Dyre Avenue or Nereid Avenue.

 

I'm trying to figure out why they're even getting the R62As off of the 6 when they had the lights installed to indicate local and express service. No lines other than the 6 and 7 currently have a diamond service. But the MTA does strange things. Why go through the trouble of a 4-way car swap between the 3, 4, 6, 7? Doesn't it make more sense from a maintenance standpoint for a yard to only have one type of rolling stock under its control?

 

 

The LED lights can work on the as well for a Woodlawn-bound local or Burnside Avenue-bound express.

 

I think the 6 will be all R62A's because it makes sense to have all of them maintained at one yard. Those 6 train riders are spoiled. They had the R33 and R36's back in the 1960's R62A's in 1985 and the R142A's in the early 2000's The 7 hasn't gotten any new trains since 1964 and it still won't have a full fleet of brand new cars and are still getting hand me down R142A's. I hope those R142A's stay on the 4 because the LCD sign R62A's going on the 6 are needed for that line. How did the 3 get involved with the moves?

 

There aren't enough R62As on the to fill up the entire . The , , and use roughly the same amount of trains as the , so its R62As could fill any one of those up easily. It makes more sense to spread them evenly among yards so they would have equal amount of different car types to handle rather than have a yard maintain a small portion of one fleet.

Just a quick question/suggestion,

 

I noted that during rush hours, the announcements in Manhattan say "This is a Queens bound 7 train, the next stop is ..."

wouldn't it benefit riders more if the announcements were similar to the 6 line during rush hours?

 

E.G. "This is a Flushing-Main Street bound 7 train making express stops in Queens, the next stop is Vernon Boulevard- Jackson Avenue" 

 

That announcement would be pointless since the only has three stations in Manhattan and all trains terminate at Main Street-Flushing unlike the . Of course, the weekday afternoon to the Bronx announcement was the best one ever made and will surely be missed when the R188s are all in service. RIP "This is a Pelham Bay Park-bound train making express stops in the Bronx."

 

 

With the addition of the circle/diamonds on the 62As, it is possible for a train to come in as a local and go back out as an express. The R188s are pretty much the same thing since its all digital signs. The does it every day, it would come down to Brooklyn Bridge as a then go right back out as a

 

Yeah, unfortunately, that has been problematic for the since it has two northern terminates, not one. Oftentimes, I see a Parkchester-bound 6 with "Pelham Bay Park" on its top destination sign and vice-versa, greatly confusing riders, especially weekday mornings when all Bronx-bound trains are local. The LED lights don't help much since the diamond has made some riders think it will make express stops in Manhattan.

 

The biggest difference is that they are significantly slower. I take the for 11 stops every day, the 62As cannot keep up in rush hour with the narrow doors and lesser capacities. My usual train runs 3-4 minutes late whenever it's a 62A, which is a bit of a pain in the ass.

 

Still, as a railfan, I like the old dogs on the line. 

 

Yes, I have noticed that too with the R62A trains despite this happening many times on that service (i.e. a train is late due to increased time spent at stations and forced to run express at a certain point). Its riders and crew look even more miserable than ever with old cars. If crowding and dwelling time become a huge problem, we can kiss the R62As on the goodbye just like how the MTA got rid of the R46s on the in the early 1990s because of crowding problems along 53rd Street. Same thing happened with the when it used R62s.

 

 

Rode the the 188s around 530. Buddy of mine was operating. Its just weird seeing a NTT on the .

 

Yep, and it's weird to see R62As on Lexington Avenue since we've gotten so used to the NTTs. It's weird to see R160s on the and fat R46s on the as well for me since we are so used to the opposite