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    Update on the Release of the Bronx Bus Network Redesign Final Plan

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    11 minutes ago, B35 via Church said:

    because the MTA primarily provides service based on whatever ulterior motives they've got cooking, instead of having a sincere yearning to satisfy the riding public (well, as much as they can anyway)..... We have every right to hold their feet to fire (or at least try to) & remain skeptical of each & every move they make..... I'd like for the relationship (or whatever you want to call it) between the MTA brass & the riding public to be a little less, well... despotic (especially under the guise of having the riding public believe that our voices, well... matter), but I've all but completely lost faith & patience that any bridging of any gap will take place.....

    Yeah I don't disagree absolutely need to hold the MTA accountable. I've been a little naïve in the past definitely seeing more and more questionable stuff.

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    Update on the Release of the Bronx Bus Network Redesign Final Plan

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    Posted · Edited by RailRunRob

    2 hours ago, B35 via Church said:

    Which is where incompetence comes into play.... If they don't know how many people are typically on a 5:30 pm out of Co-Op (using that example), then why in the world would these be the same people that we (the riding public) are supposed to have faith in doing what's best for said riding public, with said data? Lol....

    I'm a numbers guy too, but it means d**k if you don't know what to do with them.

    Listen Im with you. The point is accountability has to come in somewhere if I'm making a change and telling you why am making the change it's on you to make the counter argument and point out the flaws. On further inspection of the schedule and noticing that there are buses in both directions on the Weekend as opposed to weekdays tells me that the MTA based that off of some data. The question then is did the MTA provide Data to the elected officials to give them context to how and why they made the change or did the community officials know the correct questions to ask the MTA to the understand the reason of the cut. The answer I have no clue but the fact no one had any further understanding or a logical counter besides a emotional one was abit surprising.  The data and numbers is the only thing you can measure 8/10 In any hierarchal structure the person at the top has no idea what to do with the numbers However it's someone's job to make those numbers into a story and to help those who don't know understand. So when you have elected officials that don't know the right questions to ask or planners and engineers who aren't that great talking to people or communicating you have a problem. Somebody has to bridge that gap.

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    Update on the Release of the Bronx Bus Network Redesign Final Plan

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    Posted · Edited by RailRunRob

    On 10/23/2019 at 12:36 AM, RR503 said:

    Your experience is certainly not unique, which is why I wouldn't eliminate Co-Op express service until MNR comes. But then...

    To everyone in this thread, being a good transit advocate means advocating strongly for what you believe in, but it also means being able to contextualize your beliefs/priorities in those of a transit system or region at large. I would, for example, love to see massive investment in regional rail, but I understand that current cost structures make that a piss poor use of funds when compared to more targeted interventions. This of course shouldn't mean you sacrifice everything for some understood "greater good," but it does mean you should be somewhat responsible in your advocacy. 

    Indeed. I definitely get it objectively I think the hard balance is access to the holistic view for most people even for me as I become more of a civilian away from the day to day the planing and transportation industry sometimes I have to catch myself from thinking about it from my personal point of view that's naturally what we base our opinions off. I think the way forward is providing the data and information followed by context I had a quick chat yesterday with folks from the CB guess how many of them knew how subsidized express bus service is? When asked if the MTA provided ridership or headcount data to support the service cuts no response. So my question was if we don't know how many people are riding the 5:30 PM out of Co-Op how do you justify it? Too many people don't understand the process and too many people in the process aren't educating. We have to do better to take the mystery and superstition out of the process IMO Especially if in reality, it's data mixed with cause-and-effect

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    Update on the Release of the Bronx Bus Network Redesign Final Plan

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    2 minutes ago, RR503 said:

    But that neither negates the fact that the (6) could be a lot better with even just a few million in TLC from the agency nor the fact that even a fully loaded express bus requires a large per-rider subsidy to, you know, run -- and doesn't touch on the medium-term prospects for MNR service to the south end of the complex (which I truly hope will come with bus connections). 

    Points taken. High hopes for the MNR prospects could be a major game changer for the area.

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    Update on the Release of the Bronx Bus Network Redesign Final Plan

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    Posted · Edited by RailRunRob

    16 minutes ago, RR503 said:

    Throwing my hat in the express bus discussion (and fully recognizing that this take will get my head bitten off), I see long term the express network definitely being something that should be trimmed. Folks who say that it's super expensive to operate are...absolutely right. Subsidy is about twelve bucks per rider, or more than NYC ferry. Obviously can't cut w/o viable alternatives, but given how (relatively speaking) low volume the network is, leveraging commuter trains and improvements to local subway and bus service as ways to redistribute those resources is likely the wisest fiscal path on a 3-7 year time horizon. 

    I agree with you fully have a point everytime I see a BMX4 run empty that point is very valid. But I do think there's exceptions traveling to Co-Op over the last year I honestly dont think ive seen any bus at less than 60-70% capacity with some runs being standing room only. So when I see the BMX10 un touched I have to ask why Especially with a community of over 40K people using the BXM7.  To my point with travel time from Co-Op Ive waited 20-25 mins for a local bus plus a 15 min ride to Pelham Bay then another 30 on the (6) to 125th plus the time to Midtown or lower Manhattan. Every time I travel up there I reflect on my Measly 20-25 min ride to Eastern Parkway or Franklin. I dont know how people do that everyday. I'd go crazy or just find a office in White Plains and drive. lol.

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    Update on the Release of the Bronx Bus Network Redesign Final Plan

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    10 minutes ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

    There's still a final outreach phase (community board and final input) as shown on the timeline diagram.

    Bronx_chart3_4.png

    The same thing happened on Staten Island. What it boils down to is elected officials making a huge stink about this along with express bus riders. The exact (final) plan for the Staten Island buses was slightly tweaked before it was implemented. While it shouldn't be surprising that something like this happened, it still is extremely concerning. No way would the affected communities let this slide by. In general, the Bronx tends to be more vocal when it comes to bus service across the board (local and express). While I highly doubt the existing service levels would be 100% retained, we have yet to see how that changes.

     

    For sure Co-Op isn't going to let this slide Especially being a top five express route.

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    Update on the Release of the Bronx Bus Network Redesign Final Plan

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    2 minutes ago, paulrivera said:

    Gotta pay for the BxM4 on the Concourse and the Q50 to Co-op City somehow.... /s

    But there no Additional service in the Co-Op City Area? Your only running the Q50 at peak that savings from current ops and that extra bus or two is pushed to the Bx23 that's savings. What does that have to do with the slots for the BMX7 @ ECH I dont see how that's Cost neutral wouldn't cost you anything more to leave it as is.

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    Update on the Release of the Bronx Bus Network Redesign Final Plan

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    Posted · Edited by RailRunRob

    3 minutes ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

    They're just going to cut it and I guess we're supposed to walk to Manhattan or we're supposed to take three subways and a bus just to get to and from.  The people in Co-Op City esp. will be screwed over. So many people work late nights that under this proposal would have no service at the time when they need it.

    Very true. I remember one time hearing the X1/SIM1 & BXM7 should Possibly warrant 24 hour service.

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    Update on the Release of the Bronx Bus Network Redesign Final Plan

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    Just now, paulrivera said:

    They're probably waiting for Metro-North to start up service over there before cutting the BxM10.

    "You don't want the BxM17? You want the local buses in every corner of Co-op City? Mk fine, but remember, cost neutral" - (MTA), probably

    So why not wait until the Metro-North hit's Co-Op City as well.. 

    Shouldn't cost neutral be leave as is? It's not like the local express buses are interchangeable.

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    Update on the Release of the Bronx Bus Network Redesign Final Plan

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    4 minutes ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

    They are doing that to appease Parkchester and the Albert Einstein/Montefiore crowd, because I'm sure they would go crazy. Meanwhile they are GUTTING the BxM7 to Co-Op City. I can't see Co-Op City standing for this at all. It has taken me a good hour for my blood pressure to subside, but we're hitting the ground running starting this weekend. This cannot be accepted.

    I had to look at the breakdowns A few times just to make sure I wasn't seeing things. Where are these buses going? There cutting service and taking the extra buses where? Ive taken the BMX7 late night to standing room. 

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