RailRunRob

I see.

 

I'm not sure I agree with the post WWII comment, though - their PCCs, while not as numerous as those built by St. Louis, were still of very high quality.

I could be wrong the PCC's didn't come to mind or streetcars for that matter. I stand corrected. Some are still in use today correct?

The standard for what?

What a railcar (Coach) should be. Pullman was synonymous with luxury. maybe not so much post WWII.

The idea that closing yourself off from the world is going to stop globalization is one of the most dangerous fallacies known to man.

Honestly, I think a lot of it comes down to fear and just not understanding how the World or one's Country works. Dangerous is the man who doesn't know that believes he does. 

To be fair, St. Louis and Pullman were pretty good manufacturers when the PCC was in production. Maybe they should've stuck to building those

Pullman made the standard.

Globalization is a fact of life in today's job market. When China (finally) opened their markets and their GDP shot up toward double digits, it wasn't necessarily that the quality of their products were better; their prices were cheaper because their manufacturing rate was higher because their work force grew tremendously. US investors sought out this market growth, pouring funds into China. Europe did as well. Cheap money flooded their markets. China devalued their currency in an attempt to slow a falling economy.

 

I'm no economist so I won't go into further detail (and some of my points above may be a tad inaccurate) but because of high US labor costs, companies outsourced to lower their bottom line, which in turn caused loss of jobs and a dead in the water economy. And now with India, Brazil (before their bottom dropped out) and other countries catching up, those once high paying US jobs began disappearing. Notice how low wage jobs are now seemingly the norm.

 

Globalization: neither all good nor all bad, just inevitable.

This.

Right, this process of integration has happened on every level and this argument as well. Unification of greater New York. Both Yonkers and Mount Vernon both voted against joining NYC. And Brooklyn barely made it took years for it happen in 1898 some of the same arguments, Identity, marginalization, opportunity. 30 years later Unification was what allowed for the great expansion of New York. There's power in numbers image if there were 7 boros. What about the US itself ? 13 colonies had to agree on nationalization. Globalization on a smaller scale that's works out well for the most part. They had the same concerns. The pie is getting larger more people opt into prosperity. It's not the strongest that survive is the most adaptive.

That's an incredibly defeatist attitude; this country used to be one of ingenuity and that some of you are okay with foreign companies dominating our market is troubling.  I'm sure globalization sounds like a great thing to certain people, but the stronger the unrestrained free market grows, the greater the marginalization of ordinary citizens.

This incredible ingenuity you speak remember came out of necessary most of the 20th centuries crowing achievements from Ailerons, Radar/Sonar,Jet ,Rockets GPS and both the Atomic and Internet ages all from war. Science and Engineering are the pillars of any society how can you expect ingenuity and progress when we're not making the proper invests in what counts? Globalization how can you stop it? What are gauging your views off of? The views and rules of the 19 and 20th centuries? We moved from months, weeks,days to now interconnectivity worldwide within hours? Trading and money is moving around the world at the speed of light.  What are your views of restraining the market?  What about the lack of a standard of education and healthcare?  Isn't that marginalizing citizens more? That's your ability to push ingenuity itself?

The inconvenient truth is that American rail manufacturers don't exist anymore because there is no American rail market to cater to. Passenger rail shriveled up and along with it came any sort of reasonable way for an American rail manufacturer to stay in the business. Even with the great metro-building projects of the '60s, that wasn't enough to replace the miles of railroads and streetcars that we lost. At this point making them at home is a recipe for disaster, because the market is just too thin.

Very true. And even then it was a forced mandate by the government once rail mail was over forget about it. We had some innovations in rail along with the Brits why couldn't we start exporting for other markets? Why the Japanese and French?  two markets that pushed rail technology forward with TGV and Shinkansen platforms. Why couldn't a Pullman,Budd or ACF start exporting for Asia and Europe?

I'm talking about now not then guys.

No question. Japanese build and Q/A is better today. Just giving my view on how it became this way.

The German's do make a heck of a car tho  .

Pinto, Granada, Edsel, Taurus... there was more than one Ford dud, tbh.

 

To be fair, when did companies like ACF, Budd, and Pressed Steel ever not show a dedication to craft? (I conspicuously left St. Louis and Pullman out for a good reason).  Even the M3s, which were the next-to-last railcars built by Budd in the '80s, were fairly decent.  Modern-day American manufacturers are a different story, but it's not that they can't build a good product- they're just not being properly incentivized to do so. And free-trade, neoliberal BS that lets in foreign manufacturers like Kawasaki is exactly the reason why so many working people in this country are being harmed economically.  Better quality from American manufacturers can be achieved through the development of rigorous quality-control regulations.

Budd started what we know as high-speed rail here in the U.S let's give some credit where it's due Asia and Europe would not have there tech if companies like Budd didn't have that last bout with Air travel . I hear you there was also an angle of false safety and complacency that added to this decline as well in my opinion. GM for instance during the 70's and 80's the work ethic at some of these plants were deplorable drinking on the job stopping the line because your managers said something you didn't like. And with unions, you knew there was job safety and practically couldn't get fired. Now I understand as both being an employee and employer checks and balances are very necessary and accountability on both sides is key. How long before companies start looking elsewhere in markets where people can do the job without the headache especially when they have to be accountable to shareholders? For sure I'm with taking care of home first but there has to be some accountability when given the opportunity of employment.  It's not a right and in my personal experience from my view A good amount of workers hate or don't really care for what they do and for the most part, do least amount of work to get paid here in the US and it trickles down. I  hundred percent agree people should have the opportunity for employment and live a happy life. But there the world is getting smaller I feel like we have to start thinking more global. It's a lot to the problem but we have to take accountability as well. In order to make the change.     

Ford Pinto anyone?

 

I'll take Kawasaki every time until an American company (Im aware that Bombardier is a French Canadian company)can show me that kind of dedication to craft (and sometimes over profit).

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Kawasaki is managing better on its orders then Bombardier. Since Bombardier is manufacturing at a fast pace that makes alot of mistakes is no wonder why delivery delays keep happening. Bombardier should follow Henry Ford's assembly line pattern like Boeing did when building the 787 dreamliner, that if they got the space and time to reorganize.

The Ford way of working is why Bombardier is probably in this predicament. Ford is speed over quality never stopping the line just doesn't work well especially when you have to fix all the mistakes at the end that you could have on the line to begin with. I'd go with the Toyota (Nummi) approach to thing's Remember this is what got GM back in the game in the 1970's /1980's. I've done work with Kawasaki 16-17 years back fresh out of school. I can definitely attest to them working in the NUMMI style and honestly more broadly it's the Japanese approach.You're seeing it the Quality of the Rolling stock I remember while at Kawasaki people speaking on how many time's the R142's 30 day had to be reset vs the 142a's there was pride in that. Read up on NUMMI/Toyota if you can well worth it. Info and style I used to this day even with managing my team.  

Is this discussion not in response to Woodside7878's (immensely confusing) post?

Yep I see the mixup. I was under the impression he was stating the couldn't run via Montague because of rolling stock . I was a bit confused because the has run to Whitehall. Thus my questions. I see the part of his statement talking about clearance as well. You're correct on that with the R32s. Just a bit of miscommunication is all.

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Indeed they can't - clearances in the tunnel are not sufficient for flat sided cars such as the R32.

But as of today what does have to do with the and the R68 class cars that run on that line?

Yes but usually the gets suspended when something happens. The Montague tunnel should still get fixed in my opinion

Gotcha from an operation and scheduling standpoint the supplements other services. I could have sworn someone said they couldn't run via Montague. Can't and choose not to very different. Reasoning behind me asking. 

Normally they would suspend service whenever there's a major problem. Then when problem is resolved they would restore service.

Isn't the sometimes routed to Whitehall? / what's the difference?

I always wondered why the BxM express buses had so few stops until I started using them and I understand why.  The idea is to have these trips be either an hour or under that where possible.  Let's not forget that the BxM7 has to loop around Co-Op City as it is.  I don't support elongating express bus trips unless absolutely necessary.  The BxM7 service wouldn't require many more buses and would run hourly, and the BxM8 would only see one extra bus.  I would have a 01:00 bus to Manhattan that would then come back as a 02:10 to Pelham Bay. You may also be underestimating how many people from Co-Op City would use the bus.  The Bronx overall is very working class save areas like Country Club, so people work at all hours. Those late trips therefore usually are used quite well with people working overnight, etc.  With the Co-Op City people it would likely be a mix of people going to work as well as people hanging out.

 

You also can't compare the X1 to the BxM7 or any other BxM express bus. The X1 serves far more neighborhoods so of course it'll see more ridership.  The BxM7 is mainly around for Co-Op City and no other area.

True the BXM7 is 4th or 5th in terms of ridership just behind the the x17 and x27/37 combo. The X1 is the lifeline of late night Staten Island it's almost local on Hyland. The S79 outpaces them  . But it's a necessary 24/7 route.

From Bus, the BxM7 is #1 and the BxM9 is #2 and Throggs Neck (the greater area) along with Country Club have no subway.  Either that or have the BxM8 run later since BxM9 riders alternate between the two depending on their location.

Gotcha. Yep that makes sense. 

Perhaps it should be considered, but if Co-Op City gets later express bus service, then so should other neighborhoods such as Throggs Neck.  I would run the BxM9 later, and add a later trip to the city on weekdays and Saturdays.  

Does the BXM9 get the same ridership? I'd say the of all the routes I've taken the X1 and BXM7 had the most ridership from my view. Tho I could be wrong.

The BxM7 is also a route I feel could be 24/7 I've used the route late night about a month ago with a friend to go back to my car parked in The Bronx and the bus was packed at like 1am might have been the last bus not sure. Have they looked into that? The X1 is used a lot as well I'm sure.

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On the flip side, one time I saw a pic of an R32 in Metro-North territory.

Under riding rail on MNRR like the Market Frankfort on SEPTA?  Didn't the LIRR use R1-R9's as work car /Motorcars at one point?

There is more than enough reason to make the connection, but I'd imagine it would be a difficult structural matter to pull off.

About 800'-900' from complex to complex now would be the time to do it. with all the new construction maybe cutting a walkway under the sidewalk on the south side? I'd take it there at least 16'-20' wide could be enough room to build. 

Cramming everyone into one station for a transfer isn’t a good idea anyway. People looking for the sould use one station, and people looking for the or should use another. In the reverse, people boarding the sould get on at different stops rather than all at one stop causing delays. In my honest opinion, 125 Street should be a cheap stop-gap measure until the Bronx extension can be built. Abandon Lexington Avenue/125 Street when that happens, because it won’t do a very good job.

Couldn't you just use the Lexington Ave Station to serve Broadway service? ? Central and Eastern Bronx services continue up 2nd Ave into the Bronx?  Also, plans for the Second Ave service in the Bronx did it call for Subway or Elevated sections?

Out of the new Select Bus routes, which one has seen the biggest jump in ridership?

 

B44, Q44, M86 or M60?

Id put my money on the M60 just on the illusion of a quicker ride to the Airport.. And to be fair it's not bad.. east of 2nd ave.

I don't think anyone can say since I don't believe there are figures out yet for all of those routes.  Perhaps sometime next year...

True.

This was someone killing himself.

Gotcha.. so that's the new code for jumper.

 

Service Change  Posted: 06/26/2016  4:19PM 

 

Due to an investigation of an unauthorized person on the tracks at 34 St-Penn Station, the following service changes are in effect:

Northbound  trains are running on the  line from W 4 St-Wash Sq to 168 St.

Northbound  trains are running on the  line from W 4 St-Wash Sq to Bedford Park Blvd.

Expect delays in northbound , , ,  and  train service.

Allow additonal travel time.

THIS IS SO RARE!!!!

 

Just saw that been seeing alot of advisories with Unauthorized entries to the tracks.  Is this something they just started reporting?

Dayum take a chill pill MTA...

Shouldn't have to chill when your paying and someone else could do the job.