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Would it be feasible to bring  Service back and have it run from Metropolitan Av - Bay Ridge 95th st 

Cut   Trains to Whitehall. 

Extend  to 57/6
 

extend  service to Forest Hills 

I have an idea I would feedback but for de-interlining purposes 

 As is but the branches are in the Rockaway's thus discontinued 

 168 St CPW local- 6 Av Ex 4 Av Exp. Terminates at Bay Pkwy rush hours. Weekdays 9 Av. Weekends  runs local 145-168

 BPB rush hours weekdays GC local CPW/ 8Av Exp Fulton Exp Lefferts Blvd late nights and weekends 8 av Lcl 

 As is but CPW local

 As is but no Jamaica 179 St branch and skips 75 Av and Briarwood 

 QBL local via 63 St Jamaica 179 St- Coney Island via 6 Av Lcl & Culver Exp

 As is with possible extension to 18 Av and/or Kings Hwy

 QBL Super Express Exp via 53 St. 8 Av Lcl WTC-Jamaica 179 St late nights and weekends use 
 
As is. Discontinued  will be replaced by  Which will run peak direction exp from Marcy Av-Bway Junction stopping at Myrtle.

  As is

  Metropolitan Av-Bay Ridge 95 St 4 Av lcl 

 Astoria/Bway/4 AvLocal Astoria - CI via Sea Beach

 As is with   being brought back to serve Brighton exp

  Discontinued

 QBL via 63 St /6 Av/Fulton St local Forest Hills 71 Av Euclid Av. Reactivating outer tracks at Hoyt-Schmerhorn 

 As is 

 

although I am wondering if it’s possible to have the  terminate at Queens Plaza because then I can discontinue the  and have  Run local service from Queens Plaza- Whitehall St

So Im working on De-Interlining my fantasy map. 

Im trying to decide which would be better

So I have decided that the will replace the and become the Brighton Express and The will replace the at Sea Beach

I currently have the  running Bway/4 Av lcl from LaGuardia Airport to Bay Ridge-95 St

And the Running from Jamaica-179 St to Red Hook

Im trying to decide if the should stay at Bay Ridge and if the should go to Red Hook.

Some ideas I've been working on 

Bedford Pk Blvd or 145 St - Bay Ridge 95 St late nights shuttle from 95 St-36 St

 Weekdays only

Brighton Express

Astoria Ditmars - Euclid Av via new track on Flatbush & Fulton

Forest Hills 71 St Av- Coney Island via Brighton Local

 Runs to Flatbush Av-Brooklyn College replacing . Weekdays only

Weekends and Late Nights use shuttle bus or M7/M102 for 145 & 148 Sts

 To New Lots Av all times

 To Crown Heights Utica weekdays

While I understand theres a lot of Expansion projects that are more important than this. I want to know what are your guys take on stop removal/consolidation

Personally the main idea i support is consolidating Hewes & Lorimer Sts on the and creating a Union Av stop with a transfer to Broadway

I like your idea for the train especially if we can get the to extend to Red Hook

can terminate at 96 St/2 Av along with the future 

  trains can go to Astoria with the going to 96 St/2 Av on weekends

 

On 8/7/2022 at 1:24 PM, MTA Researcher said:

The   comes in handy

My train would take over the as the Brighton Express and the would be the Brighton local going to Coney Island. 

The i propose would run from Brighton Beach then go over the Manhattan Bridge with the and then switch to the local tracks on 6 av and make stops until Forest Hills. of course only running on Weekdays

The  would become the and run via 2 ave until Lexington Av-125 St

 would run to Red Hook

 would run as a 4 Av local from DeKalb Av - Bay Ridge 95 St. 

Some Ideas I've been working on

 cut back to City Hall. Debating on whether to send it via QueensLink

 168 st - Bay Ridge 95 St via 125 St/2 Av/Nassau St line/4 Av lcl

 to Red Hook or send the to red hook

Rockaway Park 116 St-WTC via Queenslink via QBL/53 St/8 Av lcl

Metropolitan Av - 125 St/St Nicholas Av 6av lcl/2 av lcl

 

 

So heres what I've been thinking

solely serves Far Rockaway

 skips Spring and 23 Sts and serves Lefferts Blvd

8 Av local WTC- Rockaway Park via 53 St local and Queenslink

rerouted via 2 Av line and terminates at 125 St St Nicholas Av

new express tracks at 2 Av then via 3 Av to Fordham Plaza

168 St via 125 St crosstown connection. Run via 2 Av then Nassau St line then via Atlantic Av with a new Station at Clinton St then via Transit Museum Tracks

Fulton St lcl from Hoyt-Schemerhorn to Euclid Av

still debating whether to leave the as the sole local service on Fulton St or have the run express

also trying to decide whether can share QBL Express tracks 

Extending the SAS to to 125 & Broadway would be a no-go due to density of 125 st past Amsterdam Av.

 

 

I would terminate the at 125 & St Nicholas Av. Have the skip 135 St so the  can merge via the local tracks then have it run with the  where both will terminate at 168 St . My idea would involve a bottleneck similar to the at 149 GC so that the CPW tracks can connect to SAS.

Then I would have the merge with the via Rivington & Allen Sts so it can use the unused tracks at Bowery, Canal and Chambers. (Still working on where I will send the after Chambers.)

So I originally proposed to have the run to WillyBrg. But then idk how much space it would take up from the . So I prefer the Nassau St route. 

I also proposed a Flushing Av Line for the 

 

Jackson Hts - Roosevelt Av/74 St

Queens Blvd/74 St

Maurice-Calamus Avs/69 St

Grand Av/69 St

Fresh Pond Rd/Flushing Av

Metropolitan Av/Flushing Av

Wyckoff Av/Flushing Av 

Wilson - Knickerbocker Avs/Flushing Av 

Broadway - Bushwick Av/Flushing Av 

Nostrand  - Marcy Avs  (Flushing Av)

Bedford Av/Flushing Av

Classon Av/ Flushing Av

Clinton - Washington Avs/Flushing Av

Gold - Navy Sts/Flushing Av

Tillary St (intersection between Adams & Jay Sts) with OMNY

Henry St/Pierrepont St  with OMNY

connects to Montague St tunnel where makes stops from Broad St-Bowery then connects to SAS

Speaking of the I propose making them two separate lines. Maybe even making the teal so the can remain as is.

So heres my idea after Broadway Junction I propose an El consisting of three tracks and four new local stations to be built on Jamaica Av where the will take over 

Bushwick - Pennsylvania Avs/ Jamaica Av

Van Siclen Av/Jamaica Av

Ridgewood Av/Jamaica Av

Highland Blvd/Jamaica Av

Afterwards The connects to Cypress Hills and resume service to Jamaica Center

As for the it will make all stops between Broadway Junction and Crescent St. But instead of merging with the i also propose another three Track El via Fulton St-91 Av then via Rockaway Blvd to terminate at Cross Bay-Woodhaven Blvds with a transfer to the 

Eldert Lane/Fulton St-91 Av

Atlantic Av/Rockaway Blvd Proposal for new LIRR Station

101 Av/Rockaway Blvd

Ozone Park - Woodhaven - Cross Bay Blvd 

I propose only using Crescent St railing for reroutes and GO's

On 4/11/2022 at 11:43 AM, Vulturious said:

While the idea of a  going to South Brooklyn isn't a bad idea and I do love the Crosstown 125 St service, I don't think this plan is all too good in terms of execution, let's start off with the benefits. Having the  run along the Nassau St line has been proposed. Dekalb so that's a no go.  trains would have to continue to 36 St, however that is also a no go because what is running express south of 36 St? Only other area is 59 St, but you end up having direct crossovers between both the  and  because the  would still be running express with the  local. This is questionable as something isn't being solved here, 4 Av is still a line that would be affected with interlining. The other questionable and downside thing is the  and , I've said this before on one of your recent posts and I guess I'll have to say it again here, how are the  and  going to terminating together? There is only one track for trains to terminate at Whitehall St. One could say you can simply add a switch, but then what is solving the dilemma with the ? Currently, both the  and  swap crews which allows for  trains access to Coney Island Yard. I highly doubt Jamaica can handle having to deal with another line since there is already another line that Jamaica is dealing with, that being the  now. All in all, I don't think much is being solved here, I definitely don't think the system is de-interlined either. The idea in general isn't bad, but the execution of how this being done is definitely not going to make it any easier to run the system.

Okay then so how about Building a Transfer Between Bowery & Grand St to make up for the lost cross transfer. And if having the run to Brooklyn would be too difficult how about for Phase 4 the simply just terminates at Broad St with the lines. I also had an idea to have a Teal M line after Phase 3 as well but the current M is popular

Future De-interlining Proposal

Second Avenue Subway

 Crosstown via 125 st. Terminating at 125/St Nicholas 

 Phase 4 is scrapped and replaced by new tracks that will interline the Chrystie St Connection with the Downtown Nassau Line

I propose after Houston St the makes stops Between Bowery and Broad St then use the Montague Tunnel where it will then run via Sea Beach line

where as the runs Brighton Express while the runs to Bay Ridge

 terminates at Whitehall St with 

Some de-interlining ideas I'm trying with but i need to know if I have the late night  shuttle and The both terminating at Whitehall St at the same time or is the middle track the only option for terminating trains.

 

now a 24/7 line Runs via Sea Beach terminates at 36 St/Atlantic Av-Barclays Center weekends/late nights

 As is

 as discussed running along 53 St

as discussed running along 63 st and runs 24/7

Brighton Express runs weekdays only

As is

 Runs late night shuttle pattern in weekends

as is but 24/7 service

as is but if necessary shorter frequencies to make room for on weekends

As is and higher frequencies

 Harlem-148 St - Flatbush Av Brooklyn College. Weekend service cut back to South Ferry Station and shorter frequencies if needed

 Extended to New Lots Av at all times

 Rerouted to Crown Hts Utica Av weekdays. (May run on Future Utica Av line) Weekend/Late night service the same

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Seems like the only de-interlining we can agree on is swapping the for 53 st and to 63 st. but unfortunately the MTA wont do it because it means having to make the run 24/7. Past Myrtle/Delancey-Essex. I mean isnt there anyway we can cut back the on weekends to Whitehall/34 st so the can run to Queens during weekends.

but then again the does have the better transfer points which i understand why its given preference.

Same with De-interlining plans with the . I think the  would make a good alternative for either Sea Beach or Bay Ridge if were putting both the  at Brighton since they prefer Bway lines over 6 av. But the MTA doesn't seem willing to let the  or run on weekends.

 

 

Some deinterlining ideas I propose

 via 53 St

via 63 st

 to Brighton

West End

 new Queenslink line and cut back to City Hall/Whitehall St

 Bay Ridge

 as is to Flatbush Av

 to Utica Av line

 to New Lots Av

 to Crown Hts - Utica Av or to Extension to Bway Junction via Eastern Pkwy

11 hours ago, jammerbot said:

Yes, this is a good idea, especially considering how much use the Q52 and Q53 get. However, 36 has so much focus in this forum right now, because the conversation with QB is focused on deinterlining.

yes why not make both 36th and Woodhaven into express stops. Especially if we can get the QueensLink going and send the to the Rockaways 

10 hours ago, Vulturious said:

Is the  operating via Astoria or QBL? If via Astoria, cut back the  because it doesn't need to go to Brooklyn anymore because the  needs yard access. If QBL, wouldn't just be easier to keep the  as Astoria riders know the  more than the  and vice versa with QBL riders? That's just a thought.

As for the phase 3 thing, I'm not sure how well the  would operate along the Brooklyn-Broadway line or even Jamaica Av line. The  might seem like a separate line, but it's really just the  skipping stops. Essentially, they're just the same. A better place to run the  to is via a new tunnel into Brooklyn to the Fulton St line. Fulton St definitely needs some help and having the  replace the  would help a lot. They really need to reevaluate on how they want to construct SAS, if it was a 4 track line at least south of 63 St maybe there can be room for it.

Maybe having the run to Bay Ridge would be a better idea. Whether its through Phase 3 and maybe using the Nassau St Line or Phase 4 Through Montague.

 

Good point so how about to make things simpler i leave the as is now. and simply terminate the  At City Hall where there will be a new transfer to the via City Hall/Park Place/Chambers St. The  on Weekdays can be extended to Bay Pkwy via Montague 4 Av lcl and on weekends the is cut back to City Hall. Late nights no service runs local from Jamaica Center - Bay Ridge 95 St. And yes City Hall station at Night will be closed as there is the new connection to the .

 

When Phase 3 of SAS is complete where the will run to Forest Hills 71-Av via 2 Av. and turn on 63 St with the . And what if I cut the and cut service to make room for the to go to  Jamaica Center.

So heres an idea. This idea is very experimental so I still plan to refine my ideas but here we go

 To Jamaica Center - Bay Ridge 95 St via new Church St connection QBE via 53 St

 To Forest Hills 71 Av - Coney Island Stillwell Av QBL via 53 St 6av LCL Culver LCL (Taking over the  as 3 Borough Local) Late nights extended back to Jamaica 179 St

 Restored weekday service to Forest Hills 71 Av Weekends/Late Night cut back to Court Sq

 Middle Village - 2 Av/96 St. (Ultimately when Phase 3 is complete my idea is to send to 125 St/Lex via 2 Av) Weekends cut to Essex St Late Nights Myrtle Av Shuttle

 to Astoria - City Hall (Weekdays Only)

 Jamaica - 179 St - Bay Pkwy QBE via 63 St Bway LCL 4 Av LCL via West End. Weekends cut to City Hall

 

Honestly I think having the to Montague would be a great idea because that way you can diversify the service going into Brooklyn. And cut the train short.

 

 

On 8/2/2021 at 9:18 PM, Amiri the subway guy said:

Nice plan how many tracks would your proposed 3rd Avenue line have. And would it be elevated. Where would it turn to 3rd Avenue from Webster Avenue 

Sorry for late reply but I'm thinking a 4 track line whole way through and once it goes to queens it can be elevated

Lines

 

Add Custom Line

 Route Diagram

Jackson Hts - Roosevelt Av 

Queens Blvd / 74 St

Maurice - Calamus Avs/ 69 St

Grand Av/ 69 St

Fresh Pond Rd/ Grand Av

Metropolitan Av/ Flushing Av

Queens

Wyckoff Av/ Flushing Av ( via Jefferson St)

Wilson - Knickerbocker Avs/ Flushing Av (local)

Broadway - Bushwick Av/ Flushing Av  (express) 

Nostrand - Lee Avs/ Flushing Av (  via Marcy Av) (express)

Bedford Av/ Flushing Av (local)

Classon Av/ Flushing Av (local)

Clinton - Washington Avs/ Flushing Av (local)

Carlton Av/Flushing Av (local)

Gold - Navy Sts/ Nassau St (local)

Tillary St/ Jay St-Flatbush Av Ext  (via Jay St Metrotech) (express)

Henry St/Remsen St  (via Borough Hall) (express)

Manhattan

Hanover Sq (express)

Seaport (express)

Chatham Sq (local)

Grand St  (express)

2 Av - Houston St 

14 St/ 2 Av  (express)

23 St (local)

34 St/2 Av (local)

42 St/2 Av 

55 St/2 Av 

 to Astoria Park via 63 St

72 St/2 Av

86 St/2 Av

96 St/2 Av (local)

106 St/2 Av (local)

116 St/2 Av (local)

 to Co-Op City (local)

125 St - Lexington Av  ( via 2 Av)

125 St - Lenox Av 

125 St - St Nicholas Av 

 to Co-Op City (local)

Co-op City - Bartow Av 

Eastchester Rd/Gun Hill Rd 

Boston Rd/Gun Hill Rd  (local)

Bronxwood Av/Gun Hill Rd  (local)

White Plains Rd/Gun Hill Rd 

204-205 St/ Webster Av (local)

Bedford Park Blvd - Botantical Garden/Webster Av (express) MNR

Fordham Rd - Fordham University/ Webster Av (express) MNR

183 St - Junior/ 3 Av (local)

Tremont Av/ 3 Av (express)

Claremont Pkwy/ 3 av (local)

168 - 169 Sts/ 3 Av (local)

163 St - Boston Rd/ 3 Av (local)

156 St/ 3 Av (local)

149 St-Westchester Av (express) 

3 Av - 138 St (express) 

Manhattan

125 St/2 Av express 

 Broadway Junction - Astoria Park via 2 Av

Broadway Junction ACJL

Chauncey St/Broadway J

Halsey St/Broadway J

Gates Av/Broadway J

Kosciuszko St/Broadway J

Myrtle Av/Broadway/JM

Flushing Av/Broadway JMT

Lorimer St/Broadway JMG

Hewes St/Broadway JMG

Marcy Av/Broadway JM

Manhattan

Delancey St - Essex St FJM

2 Av - Houston St FT

14 St/2 Av LT

23 St/2 Av (local)

34 St/2 Av (local)

42 St/2 Av 

55 St/2 Av 

Roosevelt Island 

21 St - Queensbridge/41 Av 

Long Island City - 36 Av/21 St

 Broadway/21 St

30th Av/ 21 St

Astoria Park - 27 Av

 

 

 Train Extension Proposal 

 

Close 148 St. Extend 145 St into a full platform

 

Extend to Bronx via Exterior St & Jerome Av

 

161 St - Yankee Stadium/ Jerome Av 

167 St - Shakespeare Av/ Jerome Av

170 St / Edward J Grant Hwy

Featherbed Lane / University Av

Tremont Av/ University Av

Burnside Av - Bronx Community College/ University Av

183 St / University Av

Fordham Rd / University Av

Turn West on Kingsbridge Rd

Sedgwick Av-Kingsbridge Rd

Turn right on Bailey Av

Terminal. Kingsbridge 230 St

One idea I was thinking was to send the  via 2nd Av then after 42 St. Link up with 53 St tunnel and continue to Forest Hills

 

Or send the  to 2nd Av then go via 63 Street. Then go via 21 St to Astoria Park