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7 hours ago, Fan Railer said:

LOL you're screwed if you try to board anywhere that's not the termini. The only trip that's sort of nice anymore is the first round trip of the day.

Yeah, you really need to get on at a terminus and try and make the first trip or so each way. I took the first round trip last year and it was busy, but not overcrowded. But the platform at 2nd Avenue when we got back around noon? HA. Similar in 2016.

There's no way in hell I'm going to be making the 10 AM if I'm coming from Albany (I'd need to leave at 5 AM to have a chance if I'm catching MNRR), so I'm going to get down to the 9:17 out of North White Plains, hop off at 125th, and walk the 4 blocks crosstown to stake out my spot on the platform.

It is not part of the NYC Subway. It is a separate part of the MTA. Having 4 doors per car doesn't make something as part of the B Division. Lines that were part of the BRT/BMT, IND, or psuedo-IND lines (new lines) are in the B Division. The trains are about 10 feet wide, while A Division trains are 8 feet 9 inches wide and were IRT lines.

SIR is more similar to LIRR and MNRR than the Subway. It follows FRA regulations and runs over former B&O trackage. The MTA took control of the line shortly after it took control of the LIRR.

That is odd. If all the exits are at the ends of the platforms, you would think that they would want the 8 car trains centered.

 

On a related note why are there train order signals at 72nd?

Because 8 car trains will run so often on that line. Especially with most of the NTTs being in 5-car sets and that unlikely to change due to the increased capacity it provides. I doubt we'll ever see trains less than 600' on that line.

Something I don't understand, is why it seems so many people want to see 28th Street on the Lexington Line closed. It is #59 out of 425 in terms of ridership, with 7.2 million passengers entering in 2015. Where do you expect these people to go? Both 33rd Street and 23rd Street have higher ridership than 28th, and adding even more passengers will only overcrowd the platforms there.

Distance to other stations. It's close to other stations on both sides. If they built a north entrance to 23rd Street, it would be 2 blocks from the south entrance of 28th Street inside the New York Life building. While not the shortest distance between stations, there's no major destination at either one, it's easy to walk between them and closing it would speed things up/increase capacity on the Lex. 33rd Street is only 4 blocks north as well. Both 23rd and 33rd rank above 28th.

What about the columns?

Add a support structure so you can move the columns.

Lexington Ave - 63 St, at 90th, might go up a few spots.

 

72 St is going to be the most popular stop on the expansion, given its proximity to hospitals and universities, as well as its relative isolation from other subway stations. If 77 and 68 St are in the top 30, then 72 St could make the top 50.

 

86 St and 96 St can probably make the top 100, with 86 St the busier station.

86th and Lex was 10th busiest in 2015 and the busiest non-complex by far thanks to its proximity to shopping and several of the major museums. It's very possible that 86 St could crack the top 50.

It went to Forest Hills via 63rd Street according to Facebook

Talk about confusing.

What cars will the extended operate with?

Probably R68/As from the . Make things simple. Anyone out of CI Yard know specifics on this one?

They built elevators instead of escalators at the 3rd Avenue end because it ended up being cheaper while allowing that side to be ADA. 

As for Court Square, Citicorp built the IND transfer as part of Citicorp Center construction.The IRT portion wasn't much more than building an escalator/elevator.

I've passed through two days this week one for a meeting on 86th and the other to meet my wife after work on 66th and 2nd. 72nd street Station seems like it's getting way more traffic then 96 th or 86th. Both days the trains where packed S/B around 5-6 pm is there a hospital, institution or something in the area?


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Yes. New York-Presbyterian has a complex at York and 69th. Also a couple colleges in the area.

Any reason why they cant just build a connection thru a walkway? I believe its the only OOS transfer.

 

 

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Because it's 3 blocks. None of the other OOS transfers were that far. The Court Square transfer worked because the platform is directly above the platforms. Also, the current transfer isn't too pretty as it is- no easy way to work a passageway in there. With the new 3rd Avenue exit at Lex/63, it's a 3 block walk from any of the BMT exits to the .

Delays   Posted: 01/03/2017  8:09PM  

 

Due to signal problems between 96 St and 72 St, southbound  trains are running with delays.

Allow additional travel time.

Damn thing just opened. What the hell signal problems are there? 

From what I can tell, the and things are happening every weekend starting this weekend. Since the New Lots line past Utica is also shuttered this weekend, the is only running to Utica.

They're gonna be having the switcheroo this weekend as well. down Cranberry and Fulton, doesn't leave Manhattan, extended to CI. I assume that means the will be 8 cars this weekend.

If any of you were to rebuild the Lexington Avenue Line how would you do it? Specifically, I am interested in what you would do with the City Hall Loop.

Oh, boy. Here's what I'd do:

• Straighten the damn thing out. No stations that require gap fillers.
• Remove some of the sharp curves
• Widen the tunnels south of Grand Central to allow for B-division rolling stock (duh)
• City Hall loop gets decommissioned and becomes a museum (assuming we aren't starting without a line there). Local tracks get extended to South Ferry. Wall becomes a local stop, Fulton gets a layout to discourage local-express transfers similar to Penn and Atlantic.
• Bowling Green/South Ferry has 2 island platforms: 1 with a terminal layout connecting directly to the locals and the other with through tracks connecting to the express and Brooklyn. 7th Avenue gets a separate stub terminal. Possibly extend the local tracks under the East River to Smith/9th with a station in Red Hook and one on Governor's Island.
• Bleecker becomes express because of the IND transfer. Canal stays local as one can connect to those lines at Union Square and Chambers.
• Close Spring and 28th Streets

Well the whole via Sea Beach thing fell flat on its face...

 

Of the three trains I saw, all of them expect for one were using the 57th Street program and manually calling out stops.

There's an issue with the 96th Street programs, at least heading NB. The automated announcements crap out at Lex/63rd.

He'll most likely still use da choppa.

Probably, but he might have some more explaining to do.

His excuse would be: ”I wouldn’t want to inconvenience fellow New Yorkers with my security detail.”

Even Emperor Bloomberg used the Subway. Granted, he took a limo to Lex/59th and got on there, but still, he at least stepped in the tunnels on a daily basis.

Are you asking me? I was talking about the tail tracks north of 96TH street (SAS) station I was referring to the amount of the trains that could be stored in that space. I'm lost on everything else.

Yes, the tail tracks can hold 4 trains, 2 per side.

The trolling is strong with this one...

This is Wally we're talking about...

Hey, next time you fly into Reagan or SFO let me know how the late night service is on the BART or the DC Metro! Cool?

Yeah...there's a reason I don't fly to/from TRB every year and it's not because I'm a railfan. Because there's an overnight shutdown, you really can't take an early flight.

I know I'm interrupting, but do any of you know what station on the SIRT is best for photographing large CPL signals (not the teensy dwarf ones they've begun to put in)?

 

TIA!

You might be able to see some looking south from Stapleton. You can see those on GSV. Looks like there's a gantry south of Great Kills as well, but I can't confirm that it has anything.

Considering how backed up train get on lexington it's no surprise how people we're impressed. However the has it's own delay spots where the train can get delayed up to 10 minutes just not near Second Av

Eh, delays on the are nothing compared to those experienced by its Atlantic Flatbush Avenue IRT companions in Brooklyn. I've waited at Rogers Junction for over 20 minutes at times.

Edit: oops, wrong street

I’ll bet the answer lies in the amount of memory. There are many ways to get the effect, but they all involve storing additional attributes in memory. The naïve way to do it would be to store the display text with every station name. A smarter way would be to store the entire MTA track system as a graph and have different routes be a mere list of pointers to nodes on that graph.

 

Memory is cheap nowadays, so I have a hard time believing that it is a constraint, but vehicles like trains are supposed to be built with hardened parts, and industrial-grade memory might not have been cheap when the trains were first manufactured.

Also remember that these trains were designed almost 15 years ago at this point. Memory wasn't so cheap back then, especially not for stuff that could withstand industrial demands. Remember, this was before smartphones and cheap flash memory.

Are the second avenue subway wrapped r160's going to stay on the train permanently or was it just for opening day?

They'll probably be like the other ad wraps: temporary. I got a wrapped train on my ride up today (granted, it was full of foamers who wouldn't shut the hell up about how awesome the new line is...  ), but most of the sets on the aren't wrapped.

While neither the R32s or R42s are in good shape, the R32s are in better shape. The 50 remaining R42s are almost certainly gone once they can get 12-14 4-car sets of R179s accepted. I think those will be the first cars to be reefed knowing how bad they look. Given the capabilities of maintenance facilities, I expect ENY to become 100% NTT before the gets a decent amount of R179s, but who knows with the MTA?

Everything I have seen is that we'll still have some R32s kicking around until the R211s get in, if only as backup cars. SAS increased train requirements and they're certain to go up further once QBL gets CBTC (whenever that is).

BART in particular is glorified commuter rail. If you want to get around San Francisco, you take streetcars/light rail. The Washington Metro in the suburbs (where it gets any decent speed) also functions as commuter rail. Metro speeds in DC itself aren't much better than New York's, and a lot of that is simply because it's much newer and technology was better when constructed, so they could do deep bore tunnels with gentle curves. Remember that most of the New York system is significantly older than most other lines in the world excluding London and Paris.

There was a decent crowd on the train when I rode it this morning. The 3rd Avenue elevators are quite buggy, but overall, it was quite nice. That being said, the did seem less crowded than on a typical weekend day. The real test will be tomorrow, when we see how everything functions on a weekday.

I'm hoping this is just opening day hiccups. Well, I'll see for myself tomorrow when I ride the thing.