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Just a question: what is the peak vehicle requirement for the trains? (Essentially, how many trainsets are needed for the peak hours?) maybe it would be possible to relocate some trains to the and Rockaway .

20 trains per the car assignments ( http://www.thejoekorner.com/carassignments/index.html ). Only 14 are currently R160s. 5 R42s and 1 R32 make up the difference. They're not going to the Rockaways because the uses OPTO (impossible with R32s) and the would face some of the same issues as the .

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But then, if they use what they have as spares, what's the point of having extra R32s at ENY all? Why will the one train not cut it, and if it breaks down, use R160s until it can be fixed again?

There aren't enough 4 car sets of R160s. The can only run 8 car trains of R32s, R42s, R143s, and R160s. The gets first crack, as it must have ATO-equipped trains. Then comes the because it goes to Midtown and Queens Boulevard, then the . The runs 8-car sets of R32s because there currently aren't enough cars to go around and ridership doesn't warrant longer trains. Each line will run one or two types of rolling stock and there's no reason to change it, as dead moves cost money and riders associate car types with lines. If an R62 pulls into a 7th Avenue station on the express track, everybody knows it's a .

The are good candidates because they're almost entirely outside and ENY is used to dealing with older rolling stock. Remember, the Eastern Division was all R40s and R42s before the R143s and R160s came in. Of all non-shuttle B-division services, nothing else comes close to the percentage of outdoor time. Will they put a set on the ? I could see them doing so if they run out of spares, but it spends a lot of time inside.

I think there will be more R32s sent to ENY which means that some R32s will appear on the M.

Not going to happen unless the becomes 100% R160A, and even then, the wouldn't see more than a set or two. Last year, the was half NTT with 5 sets left on the .

The , and don't run R160s because a few told me Concourse doesn't want to maintain the R160s.

 

As for the IRT, the and are out of the same yard, the has its own fleet of R142As (not for long though). the has its own fleet of R62As (not for long though) the and yards have R62s. And the shares with the . So it's just based on what's assigned where and how much of each yard needs, and there haven't been problems for those fleets to switch around so it stayed like that.

 

The ... idk why it doesn't run 5-car R160s.

There's no reason to move stuff around if there isn't anything wrong. Concourse has been 100% R68 since they came in and there's no reason for that to change until they're retired. Think about it: The R160s were originally intended to go to routes that ran anything older than R44s. R160s didn't go to the because of power issues in the Rockaways. CI, Jamaica, and ENY had large fleets of cars to be retired. Before the NTTs came in, the were mostly, if not entirely, cars older than the R44s. All but two currently have an all-NTT fleet. The , while usually R46 or newer, ran a ton of older equipment. The didn't get them because 1. Astoria needs them and 2. It's easier for Concourse to store only one or two types of rolling stock.

My mother goes to church right on Bedford and Halsey, and my brother and his wife live on Franklin and Atlantic. I'm over there almost every weekend and have been for years and I can tell you it's not as bad as you're making it out to be...

It's a safe place to walk around during daylight hours, even if you're alone. I wouldn't say the same for 20 blocks east of there, in ENY, or in parts of Harlem and Washington Heights.

The Bay Ridge ROW has merit. You've got fairly sizeable crosstown travel demand in Brooklyn (the B6 comes to mind), and any connection between Queens Blvd, Ridgewood, and B'way Junction is worth investigating. It would make a lot of cross-borough travel easier to do by mass transit.

 

Considering that the cost of laying an additional pair of tracks in the ROW isn't ridiculously high since nearly all of the ROW is wide enough, its cost-benefit analysis looks pretty good since the costs are much lower than any other comparable project save Rockaway Beach.

The Bay Ridge ROW is worthwhile. I thought he was talking about sending a Nassau service down there. Relatively inexpensive and creates transfer points.

It would be nice to revive the bay ridge line it would do south Brooklyn like a crosstown but it gotta make connections somewhere like Bway junction and by the M line but where would it head I'm thinking

How many times do we have to say that it won't work? If somebody wants to go from southern Brooklyn to Bushwick (which is rarely the case), they can (and will) transfer to the at Jay Street or via the Franklin . People didn't ride the and the move you're suggesting could have been accomplished by a transfer to the between Broad and Myrtle.

I always wondered why the was never extended to 34th Street - Penn Station; the switches are there, it's one station away, you could transfer to the Long Island Railroad, Amtrak, and New Jersey Transit (all which I don't know run at night; if they didn't, I realize why they don't extend it).

Easier for transfers. 34th is designed to prevent people from transferring between the local and express. How it is now, a can sit at 42nd and wait for the to drop people off. Nobody misses a connection. Can't do that at 34th because of the setup. The southernmost exit at 42nd is at 40th Street and there's a direct entrance into Penn at 34th. 6 block walk or wait a couple minutes for the local. How many people from the 2 stations served only by the would be going to/from the Island during the 5 hours of overnight service?

Something needs to be done about the R on 4th Avenue line it needs aditional train or something i think the z should run there

We've been over this a zillion times. The did little to reduce crowding on the because nobody rode it. There aren't enough 4-car sets to send trains down to Brooklyn without reducing headways on a line that's already slow. Anything supplementing the would have to go to Midtown so there's a one-seat ride. If somebody has a little extra time and gets a seat on the local, they won't stand on a packed express train unless they have to. Montague has the capacity for extra service when it reopens, but nobody wants to go between Brooklyn and Nassau. If they have to, they can take the . 4th Avenue does need another local but the are NOT the answer.

What are some good photo ops on the line in Brooklyn?

A good location is at 59th street at the south end of the northbound platform. Since the track curves inwards, you can get pretty good photos.

59th and Lex or 59th in Brooklyn?

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I believe R62A's have made appearances on the before when there were weekend GO's that had the line terminating at 96 St. (Except the most recent GO).

You're right. Found this on YouTube. Incorrect title, but shows it.

Makes me wonder...where were you guys 5 years ago when this wasn't rare. 32s on the QBL E F V R A etc. Oh thats right some most of you were foaming over 160's that are going to serve for the next 35+ years and forgot that older equipment was being scrapped and moved because you were so fascinated by something that became the norm and now camp out for something "rare" such as 32's on the A,68/A's on the N Q. Good luck anyways.

R32's used to run on the EVERY DAY (in fact, they were based out of Coney Island Yard, so were almost always the sets that went into service at 59 St after running up the Sea Beach middle, so they were always easy to catch). We also had R32's on the A B E F G N Q V and W -- there was a time when they were actually the MAJORITY of the active fleet! I wonder how many of you were alive yet when the Redbirds were still running in regular service?

 

This is why I haven't ridden the R188 yet. I know it isn't going anywhere so there's no point in going out of my way to hunt it down when I KNOW it'll be all over the line for at least the next 20 years.

 

As for those of you camping out at Continenal, maybe if you ask nicely one of the dispatchers will check the sheets and tell you exactly what interval the next R32 is making (remember, those car numbers are in the 3000s) so you don't have to waste your whole day.

Yep. Call me when we see something that wasn't common practice in the past 20 years. Almost everybody on here is old enough to remember the Redbirds and nothing changed between when the R68/As came in and then. Go to nycsubway.org or YouTube and you'll find pics/videos of almost everything that has already happened. If there's an R68/A on anything but the or Franklin , an R142/A on the , an R62/A on the , or an NTT on the or Franklin , that would be worth my time. Everything else has made the rounds time and time again.

The actually did a pretty good job with the current set up on the , and . Local customers on the Broadway Line north of Canal have a choice of either an express via bridge/4th Ave or a local via tunnel/4th Ave. Until SAS opens, I don't see any point in the at all. Plus, there isn't anything wrong with the running local in Manhattan 24/7 like many people made it out to be.

Yep. 2 locals are needed on Broadway. It's not like local service is all that slow and the is too delay-prone to be by itself. The ran local in Manhattan for 20 years while the bridge was being rebuilt and life went on. After SAS opens, something else has to go to Astoria because of the high ridership. Then, the can make a resurgence. Honestly, I'd be for installing crossovers south of Astoria Boulevard and having the short-turn there if it returns to reduce the delays at Ditmars. It would be like the s that terminate at Kings Highway because CI can't handle all of the trains, except only 3 blocks separate the stations.

it better choice to spend money rather then extending the 7 train to nj that every stupid politician want to happen.

to Jersey probably won't happen, either. It would, however, be a significantly shorter tunnel (less than 1 mile underwater as opposed to more than 6) and there's a lot less that has to be built around. 2 miles separate the SIR from 4th Avenue in Brooklyn. Much more managable than an undersea tunnel of over four times the length. It would probably be easier to send something to Brooklyn and build a new super-express line than it would be to build a direct link between SI and Manhattan.

I wish somebody out there to connect manhattan to staten island with underground tubes. i know it far future from now. it would be nice to have both A and B  division go to staten island with St George as first stop and tunnels more for at least 2 to 3 stops past st george. 

5 miles direct of underwater tunnel. Because of the approaches and the preexisting underground infrastrucure in Manhattan, approaches would add another 3+ miles to the length. Underwater section would be 65% longer than the BART tunnels under San Francisco Bay. Yeah, the ferry takes a while, but even if immersed tubes are used, you'd have to bore out the approaches. Its South Ferry station would likely have to be under the Joralemon tubes and new South Ferry (unless, of course, you connected it to SAS). We're talking one of the longest underwater transportation tunnels in the world.

Where would you start the ? 

As always, they want the to do the exact same thing the old brown did during rush hours, ran via Montague, 4th Ave and West End...even though many of those riders from the 4th Avenue, West End and Sea Beach lines are on their way to Midtown Manhattan than Downtown Brooklyn and Lower Manhattan...

I suggested it solely as a slightly-more useful alternative to sending Nassau service down there. Ideally, you'd just increase service on the (or have the run local on weekends), but the Forest Hills relay and 95th are (usually) at capacity during the week. That should all change when QBL, Broadway, and 4th Avenue get CBTC in the next 20 or so years, but until then, the needs a little help.

This isn't fantasy thread.

He's been blowing up the Random Thoughts Thread with this crap. Also wants the on West End because of the "many people who rode it".

I appreciate the response, but I wasn't necessarily talking about you. I think one thing that may help is if the Aqueduct Racetrack had a southbound platform in regards to the comments made about low ridership. What I was trying to say is that the Wood is a moneymaker for the city, in general.

That could also be fixed by building a northern exit to North Conduit. That station is about the same distance from the racino/track as the is from Citi Field. The platforms are separated by a little over a train length.

We need the C TRAIN to run to far rockaway and the A to end at lefferts maybe at night the A BE Extended to far rockaway n keep the rockaway park shuttle I know that the E wouldn't come to Brooklyn because when the trains meet at Hoyt it's a headache and don't need another train to wait for. Also extend the j or z to Brooklyn via the R LINE or make the Z FULLTIME I hate how it runs for an hr on rush hrs or make the Z go on the R IN BROOKLYN the R NEEDS another train and it would help the j/Z customers from 4th ave. 5 run to Brooklyn till midnight

Run the C to rockaway park and eliminate the SHUTTLE . Run the Z TO BAY PARKWAY VIA THE M PREVIOUS LINE AND MAKE IT RUN ALL DAY WHEN montague tunnel is done

Okay, how do I phrase this nicely...

The is staying where it is

We all know how long and slow the and are. to Rockaway is by far the longest line in the system and one of the longest rapid transit lines in the world at 31 miles end-to-end. No way in hell should that ever be a local. The ends at a yard, as every line should.

Brooklyn-Nassau ridership is almost nonexistent

Countless other posters have mentioned how the was always empty when it ran on West End. Yes, the has its issues. Local service on 4th Avenue is miserable. That could be fixed by adding service or bringing back the and extending it down to 9th Avenue after SAS opens. As it goes to Broadway, that would get more through riders.

And those places are?

Anything to connect the at Junius/Livonia, as getting between the two requires a double fare, a long trek into Manhattan, or transfers to the and Franklin .

ADA upgrades to:

Bronx

149th/GC

Something on Concourse

Something on Dyre

Brooklyn

4th/9th

Botanic Garden / Franklin

Broadway Junction

Metropolitan/Lorimer

Manhattan

6th/14th F L M 1 2 3

6th/42nd B D F M 7

7th/57th

81st B C (museum station)

86th 4 5 6 (proximity to museums)

Canal J N Q R Z 6

Lex/59th

Queens

Astoria Blvd

Forest Hills

Hunters Point (LIRR)

Willets Point (events)

Basically, every transfer point that isn't cross-platform and anything serving a major tourist attraction.

I don't see a reason to do so, just change trains at one of the other stops instead. It seems like it would cost a lot to build, and there are many other transfer stations in the vicinity.

I meant an OOS transfer like Lex and 63rd and Lex and 59th.

Take the to Lex and hop on an or going the other way or vice versa. We're talking 5-10 minutes during the week. You'd spend more time hiking all the way up to the QBP platforms. A good 70+ vertical feet separates the IND platforms from the NB/EB IRT/BMT platform.

All but 3 stations on the Astoria line are within about 1/3 mile of the QBL. The connects to the IND at 74th/Roosevelt. Going into Manhattan, the intersect each line stopping at Queens Plaza with a provided transfer point. Any transfer would have to be ADA compliant. If they're ADAifying QBP, a transfer wouldn't cost that much more, but doing it for the sole purpose of providing a transfer would be wasteful. Other places need transfers and upgrades more than there.

Wally is going to put all of us in the hospital with alcohol poisoning. The can and will handle the crowds. The isn't as bad as the idiots on Buzzfeed make it seem. I expect they'll add trains to compensate for the lack of service.

Green is 239th

Black is E180th

 

Corona had two yard stickers

Black with a purple diamond was Westinghouse equipment

Yellow with a purple diamond was GE equipment

After the was 100% R62A's they made the yard sticker completely purple

Every source I can find has it the other way around

Westchester's sticker is yellow if I'm not mistaken.

Correct. Green is East 180.

http://www.nyctransitforums.com/forums/topic/23297-color-strips-under-the-car-numbers/