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31 minutes ago, HenryB said:

Simple. You could just wrap the interiors like what they did for R62 in times sq . But does it mean "compatible with the modern world" to you? 😒

 

 

What he wants is for every subway car to be a NTT, but it wouldn't make sense to retire fully functioning fleets (R62/A and R68/A) just to satisfy the luxury of having a 100% NTT fleet. He sees other countries and sees that they have a lot of tech that we don't have. But what works in Japan doesn't mean it will work in New York. 

How many miles do the Orion 7s Greens from Queens Village have? Those buses are 15+ and I know that those Queens Village routes are long. Manhattanville also has long routes but its alot of stop and go Manhattan traffic. I know that the RTSes can handle high mileage, but I'm curious to see how the Hybrids are faring with old age and mileage.

25 minutes ago, Lennyj17 said:

Wow, I would have expected a much more celebratory fanfare for retirement of such an iconic symbol of NYC. 

I wonder if they're not fully retired however, if we'll still see them during GO's for a while, until more XD's come in. 

This also leads me to ask, how many more Green Flip Dots signs are left in the system? is it just the MV and QV 63, 6400 OG's, and a handful of MCI's. 

Queens Village and Manhattanville have approximately 55 Orion 7 Greens a piece. And there's around 30 MCIs with the Flip dots. Those Orion 7 Greens are (very slowly) retiring and will completely gone when the 2020 XDEs come in. Imma miss all of that (RTS, DDS50, Flipdots). Those Orion 7s are the last remnants of old school equipment with the Green Destination Signs. 

10 hours ago, subwayfan1998 said:

Well No One Likes me in the Forum, All the Signals and the Tracks need to be replaced with Brand new ones. Stop calling me a Kid, I'm not a Kid.

Welcome to New York City 

1 hour ago, R68OnBroadway said:

Here's a list of what I think to be the 10 most deteriorated stations (this is in no specific order and is also based only on stations that I have been to)

1. Bowery  

2. Norwood-205th  

3. Broadway  

4. West 4th  

5.  6th Av  

6. East Broadway  

7. 2nd Av  

8. Hoyt-Schermerhorn  

9. 149th St-Grand Concourse  

10. Chambers  

 

Got to put 21 Van Alast .

10 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

still amazing that the R62 cars are doing the best out of the fleet (except for the factory-fresh R188 trains)

Is it possible if they would retire the R62As before the R62s?

2 minutes ago, Calvin said:

 

From the idea of it: the originality is gone but a memoir. Soon, the green flipdots will be a thing in the past. 

 

 

Those 2004 Orion 7s are next. I'm guessing that they will be retired by the Nova LFS coming in, and the Next Gens will move into Manhattanville and Queens Village.

33 minutes ago, 4P3607 said:

Those C40s may not last as long as we thought. Apparently New Flyer stopped making parts for that model.

The only remaining buses in NYC that have Series 50 engines are a few D40s running at LGA Airport for their shuttle bus routes under Port Authority. 714, 715 and 716 specifically. They sound quite similar to our older and now retired C40s, same axles and engines. 

Yeah, basically over. We are now in the era of Hybrids and Electric buses.

41 minutes ago, Around the Horn said:

That's up to personal interpretation... I quite like the new stuff

Well yes, everyone is entitled to their opinions. But you can't deny that the pre 2000s fleet had way more diversity and uniqueness than the buses we got now.

Back in my day, we had RTS with their distinctive sound (don't forget the ZF units aswell). You had Orion 5s with an amazing ringing noise. You had C40LFs with the best backfire. You had the Orion 7s with the loudest roar I've ever heard out of a bus. And the 2002-03 D60 Artics with a distinctive ringing noise that it made when pulling out. And when it came to bus models, variety was there. We had almost everything but gilligs. The buses today don't really separate themselves. The only difference would be manufacturers and design. Most new buses sound the same to me, all quiet. Most new buses look good, but sound meh. Another thing I don't like are the Led destination signs that mess up your pics. Now the future of MTA buses is looking like 2 models. The Xcelsior's and Novas. Not a bad combo, but imo, not better than the RTS and Orion 5s.

13 minutes ago, Melbx15 said:

I most say I’m gonna miss the diversity in the MTA 

 

I hear you man. Most depots now will have a 1 model that makes up most of the fleet and than another smaller fleet.

For example.

Casey Stengel is most Next Gen with Some Xcelsior.

JFK is mostly old gen and some Next Gen.

Kingsbridge is a mostly Nova depot with next gens.

Jackie Gleason is mostly C40 with some XN40s

And then there are some depots that just use one fleet like College Point, Ulmer Park, Far Rockaway, or Charleston.

Nowadays you don't even have to look at bus time to see what bus you are going to get.

1 minute ago, MysteriousBtrain said:

I fan everything until we go 100% electric😎😎

Except NGs and 7090-7483

You like the new C40LFS?

Now that the RTSes are gone, what buses are you going to look forward to now? Are you going to fan the post 2000s fleet? Or call it quits as the DD50 era is over. As a whole, MTA Buses are whack now. Now granted, MTA is not purchasing buses to appeal to bus enthusiasts and their end goal is to transport people. But as a bus fan, I got to say its going to be pretty dead. As buses get quieter and bland, I can see many enthusiasts "leave the scene". 

Buses I care about now

Orion 7s (old gens)

New Flyer XN40 & XN60 (They are the best looking and Backfire)

And maybe the 4th Gen Novas (2016 - 19).

Everything else is irrelevant to me.

1 hour ago, danielhg121 said:

Is there a minimum age to be a member on the forum? If not, we shld set one.

Sadly, we have old cats who think like they 10. Just gotta separate the ignorance from facts.

1 minute ago, BDNQ2345 said:

Ok since the RTS and Orion vii cng is retiring, what they gonna do with the picture of the rts and Orion vii cng on the depot sticker?

They'll probably just keep it. Unless a depot gets renamed or closes down, there is no reason to change a depot logo.

42 minutes ago, Calvin said:

There's only 5 at MJQ: 5227, 5238, 5239, 5240, 5241. 

Flatbush still has their 10. However, they are parked with NOT IN SERVICE readings on the front window. 

Ulmer Park is 0. 

So basically 5 total.

22 minutes ago, subwayfan1998 said:

Thanks you for following back despite we disagree on certain thing

No doubt, I always love a good debate. No hard feelings 

2 minutes ago, Mtatransit said:

I mean isn’t MABSTOA also a different division too? But they don’t have different timetable fronts and still says MTA NYCT.

I mean I’m pretty sure the general public don’t really care but I guess I just focus on that aspect too much as a rail/busfan 

How the public sees it. 

If it has a blue Stripe = old MTA Bus

If it has Cuomo Scheme = New MTA Bus

If its an RTS = Old a$$ Bus🤣

So once the RTSes retire. Will more Next Gens from Yukon and Kingsbridge move to Manhattanville and Queens Village to retire the 2003 Orion 7 Greens?

So once the RTSes retire. Will more Next Gens from Yukon and Kingsbridge move to Manhattanville and Queens Village to retire the 2003 Orion 7 Greens?

In the case of the rumors being true...

RTS 1981 -- May 1st 2019. 

Home routes: Lived in LeFrak City, Junction Blvd , Jackson Heights, and Corona. 

Q72, Q23, Q29, Q88, Q58, Q66, and the Q38. Mostly LGA routes

Rare Catches. 

I also have two more instances of catching older RTSes without bus time. 

1. I was coming out of the Chinese Restaurant down Junction Blvd (my home area around 37 Av) when all of a sudden, I hear a distinctive screeching noise. I look towards Roosevelt Av and see bus 8949 on the Q72. I only got pics from the back of the bus because it literally came out of nowhere in the middle of the Night for that matter. But it felt great seeing my favorite bus holding it down on one of my favorite routes. 

1996 8949 on the Q72 to Rego Park

2. I was coming out of the GW Bridge and I saw bus 4964 on the Bx36. Keep in mind that West Farms only had like 10 RTS. So to catch a Bronx RTS out of the blue, that was dope. 

1998 4969 on the Bx36

My greatest achievement busfanning was catching Bus 9302 on the Q104 out of nowhere. It was so cool because that bus didn't have GPS on it. So I was literally at the best place at the right time. I am all for untrackable bus fanning. It's not fun when you already know where it is. Where's the fun in that? But when you find something spontaneously, Its special.

26 minutes ago, trainfan22 said:

You could just camp out at the ferry terminal until one shows up. Pre bustime era this is what I would do to find an rare SI bus.

The Queens Equivalent would be standing by Merrick in Jamaica. All the 1996 RTS from JFK would stop at the term.

23 minutes ago, ABOGbrooklyn said:

I'm calling it now RTS to end in Manhattan with MJQ being the last depot..

I'm curious to see what will be the Very Last RTS run in history? Probably on a shorter route like the M66 or M72.

Grand Total?