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4 minutes ago, EastFlatbushLarry said:

highly doubt KB would have pull outs/pull ins to the hub or to/from 125 & 12 av... i can see west farms getting this line. too many things would have to happen for any Manhattan Division yard to acquire it. Manhattanville came to mind because of close proximity, but again, alotta s**t would have to happen to make a line like this work... with 40 footers nonetheless... in the interest of not starting a fantasy thread, it's way too early for that sort of conspiracy/theoretical speculation. i agree however that artics should be the standard for this M125.

 

most uptown folks don't ever call 125th street 'one hundred and twenty fifty street'... call it two-five & keep it pushing. so yes, as much as I'd like to see this, unfortunately it'd make more sense to maintain the status quo with the other x-towns

 

speaking of the kiss-me-ass 101... if/when they redesign the Manhattan network... first line that should be sent to the guillotine is this p.o.s. i swear to God

I think when the Manhattan redesign comes along, a lot of the uptown and downtown routes probably will be gutted out. 

16 minutes ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

And you believe the MTA is doing these redesigns all of a sudden in their goodwill for the public's benefit exactly how?

If people in their communties actually were more involved in transit I’m pretty sure the MTA wouldn’t be how it is today. You don’t know how many times people just say “the MTA sucks!” and yet what do these people do to try and not make it suck? They don’t go to meetings, they don’t call and complain, not to their reps or anything. But yet these open houses are therefor them. If people were loud enough we can see change.

1 hour ago, Melbx15 said:

This plan Is giving me 2010 vibes I see the MTA running low on cash so to save themselves they are pretending to give the Bronx A BETTER bus network. I can see from right now it’s going to be a nightmare especially on routes in co-op-city, on gun hill road , bx15, M125, bx36 & bx40 looks a complete mess. The reroute of the bx11 to 174st ( first off on 174st between Hoe ave & Boston road is a one way westbound so they would have to loop the bx11 around that area) The MTA needs to hire more people that live in areas of low income and know what the impact of revamping some of these routes would do cause whew child 🤦🏽‍♂️

They have open houses, and maybe if people would stop being cynical and negative over the things the MTA does they could figure out open houses exist for community input. 

1 minute ago, Gotham Bus Co. said:

 

Is that a bad thing?

No, not really. 

1 hour ago, engineerboy6561 said:

We need to have enough separate work done by DOT on things like bus lanes that we can keep our key corridors reliable for bus service while still maintaining decent frequency on most of these corridors, but we really also shouldn't be doing things like cutting the 30 back into the 1980s Bx7 and using the Bx23 as the only thing serving all of Co-op.

Police need to enforce bus lanes, too many people don’t respect the hours the lanes are in effect. 

I think the mta should have left two routes on the loop in Co-op city. If this actually goes through I can see the Bx-23 seeing a spike in ridership. 

26 minutes ago, NewFlyer 230 said:

I get why they would split it because traffic on 125th Street can be horrendous slowing every route that travels through there. However I can’t help but think that the creation of the M125 will allow the MTA to give the M125 crappy headway’s because 125th Street is also shared with the M60, M100 and M101. 

 

 

 

It would be a shorter route so it probably would run less frequently compared to the other two. But keep in mind Manhattan still has to get their redesign as well, so 125 may not have as many routes on it now. 

I don’t think M25 would work with how Manhattan bus routes are numbered. Majority of their routes are numbered based off the streets they run on like M14, M23, M34, M42, and so on. M125 makes much more sense. 

I don't really think its my place to say anything on the Bronx redesign, I don't live there so I can't speak on how service will affect people or not, but I will say its interesting how they managed to keep some of the integrity of the original map for this one. 

1 hour ago, JeremiahC99 said:

The next order for Tuskegee Airmen will be the XDE40s. They are not in line for the current XD40 order, and right now, M31 service isn’t even their concern. They are currently waiting for around 40 XD60 buses to come back from MTA bus to displace some LFSAs to Gun Hill, Kingsbridge, and West Farms Depots.

Pretty sure the new XD60s that’s is going to replace the M15 fleet is going to displace a lot of the lfsas to the Bronx. 

1 minute ago, Flatbush SBS Duece said:

SBS will always be in effect. The SBS is a replacement of the “Old Limited” service name. That teal theme will never go away until transit decides to put a new scheme theme and the reasons is, thats how passengers and others can identify thats an limited service bus or special shuttle service buses.

The future of all door on-boarding will be the next phase but SBS will still be around and will be consider as an limited service bus. Sbs will be the new limited name instead of being called limited B41 for example. By the way all Limited service buses will become select.

I think we should just wait till everything is confirmed by the MTA themselves. At this point we can't be sure whats going to happen with bus service and OMNY is still a ways from being implemented. 

56 minutes ago, Around the Horn said:

Again, they will be getting rid of paying before you board... Everything (local and select) will have all door boarding with OMNY readers on the buses.

In this case, Select Buses are no longer "special" and are more like a limited bus than something special that needs its own branding, so buses would no longer need the teal wrap but the Select Bus destination signs would still have the blue background. 

EDIT:

You're confusing two different concepts: Select Bus branding (the livery and the concept of paying before you board) and the physical characteristics of an SBS route (ie. less stops, bus lanes, etc). 

The separate SBS branding is what is rumored to be phased out since every bus route would have the same payment method (onboard with OMNY, no more fare machines at stops), however the physical characteristics of the SBS routes (bus lanes and limited stops) would remain. 

Okay, got you. But isn't that just a waste of money? Doesn't the MTA get money for SBS from the government? Why would they now be trying to consolidate sbs and local service when they could have just renamed the limited a head of time? 

1 hour ago, Around the Horn said:

SBS is not being phased out. The routes will remain as is. The separate SBS branding (livery and fare machines) is what would (possibly) be phased out and I've been hearing rumors about that for a while now.

Smartcard validators on board buses would replace the fare machines.

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This in my honest opinion doesn’t make sense. If sbs isn’t getting phased out then why would that change the livery? Sbs is a different form of service sbs the main component is to pay before you get on. I could see this for local routes but sbs routes is to pay for something different. 

13 minutes ago, Around the Horn said:

Not with OMNY. Fare payment will be on the bus and the fare machines removed

Not sure if I’m following correctly. Reason why is that sbs is a service that replaces the limited service. The sole reason for its existence is to have people pay before boarding. I’m not sure how OMNY would phase out sbs when OMNY is basically another way to pay to get on the bus? 

If you or anyone else can give me confirmation on this I would gladly appreciate it. 

7 minutes ago, MysteriousBtrain said:

6126 was a demo/test bus but it never saw the local scheme.

Even still it was meant for service for what it was meant for. That doesn’t mean 6234 won’t have an sbs scheme, it most likely will. 

Just now, Around the Horn said:

There will be no point in making the distinction once OMNY is fully rolled out in the next few years and POP is everywhere.

Yukon's LFS batch is also all local scheme even though they've already started displacing wrapped NGs elsewhere. 

Yes there will. Select bus service is specifically to pay before you board the bus. All door boarding is another thing and even with that it will take more time for people to pay individually all doors than people having a ticket before boarding. 

What will happen is that sbs won’t be implemented on routes that it may not need. So for instance if a route may be plagued with a bus being idle in a stop due to people paying it may not need sbs because an extra door will be available to pay. 

13 minutes ago, Around the Horn said:

I think they're just phasing out SBS scheme (and that's why 6234 doesn't have it) but that's just me 

10 minutes ago, Future ENY OP said:

You may be correct on this one. 

I highly doubt that because the sbs scheme on the cuomo buses are new in design. They are phasing out the old scheme. If they were phasing it out the 2019 XD60s would have came in the current theme. On top of that passengers wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between a local bus or a select bus if it were all just one scheme. 

6234 probably came in regular scheme because it’s a test bus not the actual production bus. 

27 minutes ago, MysteriousBtrain said:

As of now there are no plans for more artics at CS. Matter of fact, CS is supposed to be closed and/or relocated soon so no new buses are being sent to CS.

Which reminds me are there any sort of renderings for the new depot? I recall seeing a project listing for it. 

31 minutes ago, Future ENY OP said:

I wouldn’t believe that rumor yet unless there’s true confirmation. The 38/58 conversion is supposed to happen.. However, this Q12 thing is something different. Let’s see what comes down the pike on this one. 

2 hours ago, nuyorican said:

Looks like the Q12 out of Casey Stengal will go Artic was talking to a bus operator and they will be getting new non SBS artics said it will start in the Fall pick. 

Which is why I’m confused.  

6 minutes ago, Future ENY OP said:

Here’s the deal. All of this (they) supposed to get this and that is not flying at all. DOB determines the allotments and for what uses. Right now everything is a mess and as of last night there are more changes to the XD60 order. It gets crazier by the week. It’s going to be a bumpy ride this summer into September. 

Of course and I understand. DOB in my opinion does BK like garbage all the time. I complain about the routes within the area I live cause I live in the flatlands area and the bus routes there suffer the most due to overcrowding.

Word around the street the Q12 is going artic and I wouldn’t be surprised if the Q58 and or the B38 will have to wait longer for their artic implementation.  

1 hour ago, Future ENY OP said:

That’s a bit of a deadhead  

Quill and Gun Hill having these SBS routes. Glad this practice hasn’t hit down to Flatbush but again we are dealing with the DOB. 

It would make sense for MHV to have the 96SBS and doesn’t need to have artics like the 46SBS at FB. 

The B46 sbs needs artics and ASAP. The only reason why it never got artics was because they couldn’t layover around deklab Avenue. Someone from FB depot was saying they were going to extend the 46 up a bit on Broadway. 

FB was supposed to get those new XD60S to replace the B44 artics and implement the b46 sbs with artics for rush hour trips. 

The B82 sbs was supposed to have artics but theirs  are around the entire city. 

Does anyone know why the XD60 delivery is seemingly slow compared to the new lfs order now? 

42 minutes ago, Lil 57 said:

I wasn't talking about the B44 SBS. I was talking about the shortage of buses in Brooklyn in general.

Oh okay. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

1 minute ago, Lex said:

Congratulations, you missed the point.

Congrats on what? Elaborate the point?????? 

5 minutes ago, JeremiahC99 said:

Some displaced riders are using the M14 bus since some of them have only used the to get within Manhattan. With  service in manhattan reduced to every 20 minutes, those Intra-Manhattan are going to find a new way to get around. Plus this is the opportunity to try something new with street designs, taking the Toronto King Street Transitway project and applying it to 14th Street. 

That some shouldn’t result in taking away service from one of the most highest frequented bus route in nyc. 

The M14 was always supposed to go select anyway and even went with transit way. 

18 minutes ago, JeremiahC99 said:

All because they want to have the M14 SBS ready by June. The  wants to have SBS using only new scheme buses so that is why they went down that path.

The Quill in general got an additional 30 plus lfsa buses with the new scheme to replace the local fleet they had for the M14. They only took FB newer artics due to the fact they wanted more service to the M14 for the L train project. But even still many displaced riders aren’t taking the bus it’s the J and M trains they are using and they’re using the subway to get to them not the bus.