cotb16

Just a crazy idea or not, elinimate the Bx33 and replace it with the Bx17 to Harlem and the Bx21 to Port Morris. Bx33 takes too long especially on the weekend.

 

No way. The Bx17 and Bx21 are dealing with bunching as it is.

It was a certain cotb16 that proposed the Bx7 serve all of the Henry Hudson so they can have full time access to the

I actually did propose that, with the Bx1 replacing the Bx7 along Riverdale Avenue south of 239th St. It would've ended at 246th, but the Bx1 would've been too long and I don't think the terminal could've handled artics. 

 

You need a geography lesson my friend as to what is the West Bronx.... 

 

The term "West Bronx" is quite debatable. 

 

Some say it's the Bronx west of the Bronx River. Others say it's west of Jerome Avenue, where the numbered streets are marked "West" instead of "East."

Skimming through this recent update, aside from what else I've already questioned / commented on, I don't have anything else to add.....

 

What was your reason(s) for cutting back the Bx15 to 125th/Lex again?

(don't feel like sifting through the earlier pages of this thread)

The traffic on 125th St that causes delays makes Bx15 service on 3rd Avenue unreliable. Not to mention, there are plenty of alternatives to travel between 149th St and 125th St.

Well I can already tell you that traffic in Washington Heights/Inwood can be murder along Broadway from personal experience.  Traffic deep into Riverdale is rarely a problem unless there is some sort of back up.  I can count the times on one hand that my commute has been delayed on the express bus due to traffic in Riverdale or Spuyten Duyvil.

 

Makes me wonder if a Bx7 limited could be implemented during the rush hours...

 

Same here. The stops in the Heights are too close apart. For instance, one stop is at 190th, next at 189th, then 187th, 184th, 181st. And while it sounds great to cut some of those stops, the ridership in some of those stops are pretty good, as elderly folks and those who choose to avoid the and use the Bx7 (and M100) on Broadway in the Heights.

 

And if you think traffic there is bad on a regular day, wait until the summer (especially on a Friday and Saturday night) as motorcycles and tons of cars will use Broadway as their personal parade.

lol @ the latter.... the former statement, it's more him tryna get people to that part of the bronx (much moreso than tryna get riverdalians to other parts of the bronx)

 

Nah, it's cool man.... These are just ideas.

 

I would leave the 22 alone..... I would also leave the 9 intact as well....

 

But with what you got going on in your plans here (since you're introducing new routes), you may as well cut the 22 back to fordham-valentine (even though I disagree with that)... You still don't have to have your 20 running to lehman; after all, you got the 26 & the 28 running along goulden up from kingsbridge rd.... Meaning, riders would have to xfer over (from the fordham plz. area) to get to lehman.....

 

just noticed this edit.... Good thing is, most of it I already addressed in the above quoted reply....

 

As to why the Bx22 is losing ridership, that much I can't opinionate on... Where would you say ridership is being lost on? I can't fathom it would be from the Castle Hill folks b/c the 22 is all they got..... Would you say folks in Parkchester are using the 22 less? The portion b/w E. Tremont av & pelham pkwy wasn't all too great anyway....

 

For the Bx22 ridership, I think it could be riders being turned off by the Pelham Pkwy/Fordham Rd construction, or riders traveling along Fordham preferring the Bx12 over the Bx22.

 

As for which bus goes to Lehman from Fordham, I would keep the Bx20 there and cut the Bx22 back. Remember, the Bx26 and Bx28 come from the Northeastern Bronx. The Bx20 would serve riders coming from the south-central Bronx (such as West Farms, Hunts Point).

 

By the way, here's update 5

 

Bronx Bus Overhaul (Update 5)

 

Bx2: restored along E 165 St/Melrose Av, use Bx1 for south of E 165 St & Bx13 for E 149 St

Southbound: Grand Concourse, E 165 St, Melrose Av, E 149 St, Courtlandt Av, 3 Av

Northbound: 3 Av, E 152 St, Melrose Av, E 162 St, Teller Av, E 165 St, Grand Concourse

 

Bx6: runs the full route late nights

More on the Bx6 in the Bx46 article

 

Bx7A: formerly Bx20

same schedule as current Bx20

 

Bx8: extended north to E 242 St/Katonah Av

Route: Bronxwood Av, E 233 St, Katonah Av

 

Bx9: runs between 262nd St/Bway and Fordham Plaza

use Bx37 for West Farms & new Bx20 for Southern Blvd

 

Bx11: new western terminus is River Park Towers

replaces Bx18 on Undercliff/Sedgwick Avs, use Bx13/35 for Ogden Av/Wash Hts

Route: W 168 St, W 167 St, Sedgwick Av, Undercliff Av

 

Bx13: extended to E 146 St/Willis Av

replaces Bx2 on E 149 St

Route: River Av, E 149 St, Courtlandt Av, E 146 St, Willis Av, Bergen Av

 

school trippers currently running to 3 Av/163rd St truncated to Yankee Stadium

use Bx6/46 for E 161/E 163 Sts

 

 

 

 

 

Bx15/55: merged (Bx15)

runs between Fordham Plaza and Lexington Av/E 125 St

use Bx41 for north of Fordham

 

northbound rerouted via Madison Av Bridge

 

S/B: 3 Av, E 139 St, Morris Av, 3 Av Bridge, E 129 St, Lexington Av

N/B: E 125 St, Madison Av, Madison Av Bridge, E 138 St, 3 Av, E 136 St, Lincoln Av, 3 Av

 

Bx15 Local: runs between Fordham and 3 Av/E 138 St Sta 6am-8pm Weekdays and Late nights, runs to Harlem evenings and weekends only

 

Bx15 Limited: runs between Fordham and Lex Av/E 125 St 6am-8pm weekdays

 

Stops

Fordham Plaza/3 Av

E 183 St

E 180 St

E Tremont Av

Claremont Pkwy

E 168 St

E 163 St

E 149 St

E 138 St/Lincoln Av

E 125 St/Lexington Av

 

Bx17: new southern terminus is E 132 St/Willow Av

southbound buses rerouted via Brook Av

 

S/B: E 149 St, Brook Av, E 133 St, Bruckner Bl, E 134 St, Willow Av

N/B: Willow Av, E 132 St, St. Ann’s Av

 

Bx18: eliminated, use Bx11

 

Bx19: truncated to West Farms Rd/Southern Blvd, use new Bx20 for points north

 

Current Bx20: see Bx7A

 

New Bx20: runs between E 149 St/Prospect Av and Paul Av/W 205 St 6am-8pm weekdays

terminates at Fordham Rd/Valentine Av evenings & weekends

replaces Bx19 north of West Farms Rd and Bx22 on Goulden Av

Route: Southern Blvd, Fordham Rd, Kingsbridge Rd, Goulden Av

 

Bx22: all buses terminate at Fordham Rd/Valentine Av

use Bx20 for Goulden Av

 

Bx26: extended west to Broadway/W 230 St

Route: Bedford Park Bl, Goulden Av, Kingsbridge Rd, 225 St, Bway

 

Bx27: new northern terminus is E 180 St (2/5) Station

use Bx4/4A for Westchester Av

 

N/B: Rosedale Av, E 180 St, Bronx Park Av, Lebanon St, DeVoe Av

S/B: DeVoe Av, E 180 St, E Tremont Av, Taylor Av, E 174 St, Rosedale Av

 

Bx28 & Bx38: merged (Bx28)

runs between Co-op City/Earhart Lane and VA Hospital via All Sections

Route: Paul Av, Bedford Park Blvd, Goulden Av, Kingsbridge Rd, Webb Av

 

New Bx28 Limited Service, runs rush hours only (Bx28 locals only run to Norwood during this time)

Erskine Pl/Earhart Lane

Einstein Loop/Hutch Pkwy East

Co-op City Blvd/Bartow Av

Bellamy Loop North/Co-op City Blvd

Rombouts Av (Carver Loop)

Dreiser Loop West

Donizetti Pl (Truman HS)/Baychester Av

Edson Av/Bartow Av

Knapp St/Gun Hill Rd station

Boston Rd

Bronxwood Av

White Plains Rd

Montefiore Hospital/Bainbridge Av

E 206 St

runs local to VA Hospital

 

Bx31: extended south to Castle Hill/Zerega Avs to serve Unionport

Route: Lane Av, Commerce Av, Zerega Av

 

Bx36: split into two routes, Bx36 and Bx37

 

-Bx36: runs between Washington Heights and E 180 St (2/5) Sta

 

Restructured Bx36 Limited Service, runs rush hours only

(during this time, Bx36 locals do not run into Manhattan)

 

Stops

runs local in Manhattan

Cross Bronx Exp/University Av

W Tremont Av

Jerome Av/Tremont Av

Grand Concourse (both sides)

Tremont Av/Webster Av

Webster Av/E 180 St

3 Av

Crotona Av

Southern Blvd

Boston Rd

Morris Park Av

 

-Bx37: runs between Fordham Plaza and Castle Hill/Zerega Avs

replaces Bx9 in West Farms and Bx36 on E 174 St/White Plains Rd

 

Route: E Fordham Rd, Southern Blvd, E 180 St, Boston Rd, Hoe/Vyse Avs, E 174 St, Cross Bronx Expwy, White Plains Rd, Lacombe Av, Castle Hill Av

 

Bx40: becomes East Tremont Av Limited 6am-8pm weekdays

use Bx42 for local

 

Stops

runs local to Randall/Tremont Avs

Randall Av/Tremont Av

Bruckner Blvd

Westchester Square

Castle Hill Av

Unionport Rd

Rosedale Av

West Farms Square

Southern Blvd

Crotona Av

3 Av

Webster Av

Grand Concourse/Burnside Av (both sides)

runs local to River Park Towers

 

Bx46: becomes a branch of Bx6, runs 6am-8pm weekdays, 8am-8pm weekends

runs between Barretto Point Park and Yankee Stadium 6am-8pm weekdays

extended to Riverside Drive/W 158 St weekends

route: Tiffany St, Lafayette Av, Hunts Point Av, 163 St, Elton Av, 161 St, Macombs Dam Bridge, 155 St

 

Bx6 and 46 combined headways

Rush hrs: 4 (8 for each)   Middays: 5 (10 for each)

Weekends: 7.5 (15 for each)

Evenings: 10-12 (Bx6 only)  Late Nights: 30 (Bx6 only)

 

Then that explains a lot then.  I'm actually a bit insulted that you somehow see our community as one in which Bronxites should be able to benefit from, but we shouldn't see any improvement in our services, as if our residents don't have jobs to get to.  You blatantly overlook the bunching issues of the Bx7 and Bx10 which I find incredible.  I have been rather annoyed with the amount of time that my commute takes in the mornings on the BxM1 or BxM2 and have been in talks about trying to get more BxM18 morning service added to speed up our commutes.

 

Furthermore, I would go one step further and say that our public schools in particular are already crowded enough and relatively small so we don't need more kids coming to Riverdale to overcrowd our schools.  If anything there should be an effort made to make the public schools in the areas that these folks live in better before looking to overcrowd our schools.  Not only that but I've also been noticing a certain amount of hooliganism in the neighborhood from these kids that I am not too fond of.  They've been coming up to the neighborhood and basically trashing the commercial area, throwing garbage cans about and creating a mess.  If they're going to come up here and create havoc, better for them to stay in their own community.  Our neighborhood is nice and not all run down like most of these neighborhoods that these folks are coming from and we'd like it to stay that way.  A few years ago there were cries of racism about the way in which they were trying to set up the public schools here with zoning and such and having more kids from Riverdale attend these schools.  I see nothing wrong with that because the schools should serve the kids in the community first before those outside of it or anywhere else.  

 

My point is if you want Bronxites to come up here and benefit from the jobs and schools and all, that's fine but there should be a give and take, not Bronxites coming up here taking and taking and trashing our neighborhood to boot.

 

As for the folks that come to Riverdale to work, which I admit there are many due to the number of senior homes and colleges (public and private), I think more than enough has been done to address their needs.  The express buses to Riverdale start at 06:45 and that BxM1 run was recently added as a matter of fact for that reason, along with any college students that need to attend any of the colleges in the area.  The only thing that I think is needed is better supervision over the local buses.  Riverdale has always been a difficult place to reach from most of the Bronx and that's because of how it was built.  I'm not sure that you can do much with local bus service to make any real changes there.

 

For the bunching issue, here are my takes on it.

 

Bx7: in addition to that brief stretch on Broadway between 230th and 231st, the traffic in Washington Heights/Inwood travels pretty slowly. Not to mention, the stops there are spaced very closely, yet well-used.

 

Bx10: I don't know so much about how it is in deep Riverdale, but I know the turns in Norwood (Gun Hill-Bainbridge and Gun Hill-Jerome), the traffic along Jerome Av (in the shopping district) and the slow traffic along Van Cortlandt Avenue West (hit by traffic coming from the Deegan to reach Lehman College and points east).

It's funny how you claim that you want to improve access for us Riverdalians to the Bronx, but yet are in complete denial about how bad local bus service is in terms of bunching.

 

Actually, it's the opposite. I want those from other parts of the Bronx to reach Riverdale, mainly because of access to schools, and most importantly, jobs.

 

Riverdale has a high number of health facilities, senior care centers, places requiring home health aides, clinics among other things. And the tried-and-true way is that a person would take a job with a pretty decent (usually one-two buses or a bus-subway combo) commute. But for those coming from the southern, eastern and northeastern parts of the borough, getting to Riverdale is not easy.

 

This is why I wanted to send the Bx26 to Marble Hill and flirted with sending the Bx22 there too.

 

Then there's the case with my Bx10 to Woodlawn proposal. As I mentioned in previous posts, Woodlawn and Riverdale are often in the same political districts and have relatively high senior populations. However, Woodlawn is small and lacks the many senior-gearing services found in Riverdale. In addition, most of the district offices for politicians serving these two neighborhoods are found in Riverdale (such as Councilman Oliver Koppell -- 3636 Waldo Avenue, Assemblyman Jeffrey Dinowitz -- 3107 Kingsbridge Avenue, and Congressman Eliot Engel -- 3655 Johnson Avenue).

That's all you had to say from the beginning, instead of skirting around it.... I shouldn't have had to try to get it out of you....

 

Anyway, await your update (w/e number you're up to... I lost count).....

 

Sorry about that B35, the only thing I am waiting for in the next update is your suggestion on what should I do with the Bx22?

Yeah, but the thing is if you're cutting back the Bx9 to Fordham plaza, you won't need the Bx22 running to 230th/Broadway; the idea of "helping" the Bx9 should go out the window at that point..... Unless you'd plan on short-changing service on the Bx9, which I don't *think* you would do....

 

As far as that bit about a "perfect world".... Listen fam, if it's okay in your mind to cut the Bx9 back to fordham plaza, then there's no point in actually stating "in a perfect world, the Bx22 would've been cut to either Valentine/Fordham or Fordham Plaza"... In a perfect world, you would want all your ideas to come to fruition.... I mean hell, the whole point of (you) cutting Bx9's back is to better cater to the riders b/w Riverdale-262nd & Fordham plaza, is it not....

 

Yes, I know how the 22 is used up there.... What I'm saying is, usage was not your original concern with the 22 - it was alleviating delays.... You're bringing up usage & increasing coverage for the route after you got feedback.... At the rate you're going, you may as well get rid of the 9 & run 22's up to riverdale-262nd & have the 22 have fifty-million short turns....

 

Regarding terminating Bx22's & 26's @ 230th/broadway.... lol, is it really about the schools though, or is it more you tryna bring more riders to River Plaza as to why you're telling me there's not really an area around 225th st for buses to terminate.... See, because I remember you wanting to extend 22's & 28's to 225th st ....

For sending buses to Marble Hill, I wanted to improve access to the Riverdale/Kingsbridge area from other parts of the Bronx (especially parts east of the Bronx River), thus sending the Bx26 and Bx22 there. To answer your question, it's about both.

 

You bring up a point about the Bx9 and Bx22 coordination. If I do have the Bx9 only run from Riverdale to Fordham, I would not need the Bx22 to run along Kingsbridge/225th either.

 

I'm actually concerned for the Bx22, a route that was once in the top 10 in annual Bronx ridership. It has lost ridership for the past two years.

 

If I cut all Bx22's to Fordham Center, those coming from Parkchester and Pelham Parkway would have a tough time reaching Lehman and the schools. If I send all of them to the schools, Goulden Av would be overserved (with the Bx22 and the Bx20).

 

Since I've been having a tough time with this, which option should I take with the Bx22? Cut it back to Fordham or send all of them to Lehman during weekdays only?

Well, I don't think eliminating the Bx34 on its own is a terrible idea (though I'm not saying I'd necessarily agree with it, regardless of whether or not it's replaced by the Bx10), but in general, I don't think this round of proposals of his is too good.

 

 

The Bx32 would involve more walking on both ends of the route.

 

 

For those handful of blocks up in Yonkers, I'm sure they can work out a deal to run the buses nonstop. I mean, the Bx16 runs a couple of blocks along the border IIRC. Unless you're referring to the MTA having to pay for wear on the roads, in which case, maybe the situation has changed since the last time they wanted to change up the Bx34.

 

 

Do you think before you make your comments? Seriously. The Bx7 & Bx10 have over 10,000 riders a day each, not to mention the Bx20 (whose function is pretty much only to bring Riverdale residents to the subway). Do you seriously think that all the ridership on those routes is south/east of 231st & Broadway? And with all this bunching people are complaining about, don't you think passenger loads might have something to do with it? Sure, traffic, narrow roads, and the B/Os themselves are part of it, but uneven passenger loads is another part.

 

If there's any neighborhood where the majority of the people use the express bus, it would be out in some parts of Staten Island, not any of the other 4 boroughs. Even then, it's not like they take all of the mode share for people using public transportation into Manhattan.

 

To me, the Bx7 and 10 don't have as bad of a bunching problem compared to other routes.

Never commented on this latest rendition of cotb16's ideas here.....

 

I'm still not getting the fixation with wanting to remove Bx22's from the area around Lehman.... First, your reasoning for cutting back all 22 service to fordham/valentine was to lessen delays..... Now you're extending the 22 towards River Plaza to then have all service terminate over there by 230th/broadway - which is gonna drastically increase delays.... This is coming from the same person (that's you) that wanted to remove the Bx7 from between 225th & 231st along broadway due to traffic (yeah, you dropped that particular Bx7 idea along Bailey, but I'm questioning the logic & thought process you're using to come up with your ideas).....

 

I'm also not liking the idea of making B'way/230th st a terminal..... The Bx22 is an artic route & you're also extending Bx26's over there.... There's space on that side of the block (along the projects on the 230th st side), but not that much space..... Think about it man, you're truncating the 9 to have it run b/w fordham plz & riverdale/262nd st for a reason - You most certainly don't need the 22 mirroring it (the 9) b/w fordham plz & river plaza...

 

I did each route on a case-by-case basis. For the Bx22, I sent it to Marble Hill this time to help out the Bx9 along Kingsbridge Road. Earlier, I mentioned that in a perfect world, the Bx22 would've been cut to either Valentine/Fordham or Fordham Plaza. However, riders coming from the Eastern and Central parts of the Bronx (such as Parkchester, Castle Hill and Morris Park) have a tough time reaching the northwestern part of the borough (such as Riverdale, Kingsbridge and Bedford Park).

 

As for Lehman, the Bx22 usually dumps out at 197th and Goulden (in front of Carman Hall, where most of Lehman's main classes are held and north of Walton High School), which is about a few blocks away from Kingsbridge Road. Not too many get off past 197th, which is why I wanted to get the Bx22 to Marble Hill instead of Lehman. In addition, more regular riders would use the Bx22 past Fordham instead of just students.

 

I chose Marble Hill Projects as a terminus because it's close to JFK and In-Tech high schools. In addition, there's not really an area around the 225th Street station to turn the buses around, so 230th and Broadway was the only solution.

Bronx Bus Overhaul (Update 4)

Bx2: restored along E 165 St/Melrose Av, use Bx1 for south of E 165 St & Bx13 for E 149 St

Southbound: Grand Concourse, E 165 St, Melrose Av, E 149 St, Courtlandt Av, 3 Av

Northbound: 3 Av, E 152 St, Melrose Av, E 162 St, Teller Av, E 165 St, Grand Concourse

Bx6: runs the full route late nights

More on the Bx6 in the Bx46 article

Bx7A: formerly Bx20

same schedule as current Bx20

Bx8: extended north to E 242 St/Katonah Av

Route: Bronxwood Av, E 233 St, Katonah Av

Bx9: runs between 262nd St/Bway and Fordham Plaza

use Bx37 for West Farms & new Bx20 for Southern Blvd

Bx11: new western terminus is River Park Towers

replaces Bx18 on Undercliff/Sedgwick Avs, use Bx13/35 for Ogden Av/Wash Hts

Route: W 168 St, W 167 St, Sedgwick Av, Undercliff Av

Bx13: extended to E 146 St/Willis Av

replaces Bx2 on E 149 St

Route: River Av, E 149 St, Courtlandt Av, E 146 St, Willis Av, Bergen Av

school trippers currently running to 3 Av/163rd St truncated to Yankee Stadium

use Bx6/46 for E 161/E 163 Sts

Bx15/55: merged (Bx15)

runs between Fordham Plaza and Lexington Av/E 125 St

use Bx41 for north of Fordham

northbound rerouted via Madison Av Bridge

S/B: 3 Av, E 139 St, Morris Av, 3 Av Bridge, E 129 St, Lexington Av

N/B: E 125 St, Madison Av, Madison Av Bridge, E 138 St, 3 Av, E 136 St, Lincoln Av, 3 Av

Bx15 Local: runs between Fordham and 3 Av/E 138 St Sta 6am-8pm Weekdays and Late nights, runs to Harlem evenings and weekends only

Bx15 Limited: runs between Fordham and Lex Av/E 125 St 6am-8pm weekdays

Stops

Fordham Plaza/3 Av

E 183 St

E 180 St

E Tremont Av

Claremont Pkwy

E 168 St

E 163 St

E 149 St

E 138 St/Lincoln Av

E 125 St/Lexington Av

Bx17: new southern terminus is E 132 St/Willow Av

southbound buses rerouted via Brook Av

S/B: E 149 St, Brook Av, E 133 St, Bruckner Bl, E 134 St, Willow Av

N/B: Willow Av, E 132 St, St. Ann’s Av

Bx18: eliminated, use Bx11

Bx19: truncated to West Farms Rd/Southern Blvd, use new Bx20 for points north

Current Bx20: see Bx7A

New Bx20: runs between E 149 St/Prospect Av and W 205 St/Paul Av rush hours and middays

truncated to Fordham Rd/Valentine Av evenings & weekends

replaces Bx19 north of West Farms Rd and Bx22 on Goulden Av

Route: Southern Blvd, Fordham Rd, Kingsbridge Rd, Goulden Av

Bx22: new western terminus is Broadway/W 230 St

all buses run to Marble Hill 24/7, use Bx20 for Goulden Av

Route: Fordham Rd, Kingsbridge Rd, W 225 St, Broadway, W 228 St, Marble Hill Av, W 230 St

Bx26: extended west to Broadway/W 230 St

Route: Bedford Park Bl, Goulden Av, Kingsbridge Rd, 225 St, Bway

Bx27: new northern terminus is E 180 St (2/5) Station

use Bx4/4A for Westchester Av

N/B: Rosedale Av, E 180 St, Bronx Park Av, Lebanon St, DeVoe Av

S/B: DeVoe Av, E 180 St, E Tremont Av, Taylor Av, E 174 St, Rosedale Av

Bx28 & Bx38: merged (Bx28)

runs between Co-op City/Earhart Lane and VA Hospital via All Sections

Route: Paul Av, Bedford Park Blvd, Goulden Av, Kingsbridge Rd, Webb Av

New Bx28 Limited Service, runs rush hours only (Bx28 locals only run to Norwood during this time)

Erskine Pl/Earhart Lane

Einstein Loop/Hutch Pkwy East

Co-op City Blvd/Bartow Av

Bellamy Loop North/Co-op City Blvd

Rombouts Av (Carver Loop)

Dreiser Loop West

Donizetti Pl (Truman HS)/Baychester Av

Edson Av/Bartow Av

Knapp St/Gun Hill Rd station

Boston Rd
Bronxwood Av

White Plains Rd

Montefiore Hospital/Bainbridge Av

E 206 St

runs local to VA Hospital

Bx31: extended south to Castle Hill/Zerega Avs to serve Unionport

Route: Lane Av, Commerce Av, Zerega Av

Bx36: split into two routes, Bx36 and Bx37

-Bx36: runs between Washington Heights and E 180 St (2/5) Sta

Restructured Bx36 Limited Service, runs rush hours only

(during this time, Bx36 locals do not run into Manhattan)

Stops

runs local in Manhattan

Cross Bronx Exp/University Av

W Tremont Av

Jerome Av/Tremont Av

Grand Concourse (both sides)

Tremont Av/Webster Av

Webster Av/E 180 St

3 Av

Crotona Av

Southern Blvd

Boston Rd

Morris Park Av

-Bx37: runs between Fordham Plaza and Castle Hill/Zerega Avs

replaces Bx9 in West Farms and Bx36 on E 174 St/White Plains Rd

Route: E Fordham Rd, Southern Blvd, E 180 St, Boston Rd, Hoe/Vyse Avs, E 174 St, Cross Bronx Expwy, White Plains Rd, Lacombe Av, Castle Hill Av

Bx40: becomes East Tremont Av Limited 6am-8pm weekdays

use Bx42 for local

Stops

runs local to Randall/Tremont Avs

Randall Av/Tremont Av

Bruckner Blvd

Westchester Square

Castle Hill Av

Unionport Rd

Rosedale Av

West Farms Square

Southern Blvd

Crotona Av

3 Av

Webster Av

Grand Concourse/Burnside Av (both sides)

runs local to River Park Towers

Bx46: becomes a branch of Bx6, runs 6am-8pm weekdays, 8am-8pm weekends

runs between Barretto Point Park and Yankee Stadium 6am-8pm weekdays

extended to Riverside Drive/W 158 St weekends

route: Tiffany St, Lafayette Av, Hunts Point Av, 163 St, Elton Av, 161 St, Macombs Dam Bridge, 155 St

Bx6 and 46 combined headways

Rush hrs: 4 (8 for each)   Middays: 5 (10 for each)

Weekends: 7.5 (15 for each)

Evenings: 10-12 (Bx6 only)  Late Nights: 30 (Bx6 only)

Bronx Bus Overhaul (Update 4)

Bx2: restored along E 165 St/Melrose Av, use Bx1 for south of E 165 St & Bx13 for E 149 St

Southbound: Grand Concourse, E 165 St, Melrose Av, E 149 St, Courtlandt Av, 3 Av

Northbound: 3 Av, E 152 St, Melrose Av, E 162 St, Teller Av, E 165 St, Grand Concourse

Bx6: runs the full route late nights

More on the Bx6 in the Bx46 article

Bx7A: formerly Bx20

same schedule as current Bx20

Bx8: extended north to E 242 St/Katonah Av

Route: Bronxwood Av, E 233 St, Katonah Av

Bx9: runs between 262nd St/Bway and Fordham Plaza

use Bx37 for West Farms & new Bx20 for Southern Blvd

Bx11: new western terminus is River Park Towers

replaces Bx18 on Undercliff/Sedgwick Avs, use Bx13/35 for Ogden Av/Wash Hts

Route: W 168 St, W 167 St, Sedgwick Av, Undercliff Av

Bx13: extended to E 146 St/Willis Av

replaces Bx2 on E 149 St

Route: River Av, E 149 St, Courtlandt Av, E 146 St, Willis Av, Bergen Av

school trippers currently running to 3 Av/163rd St truncated to Yankee Stadium

use Bx6/46 for E 161/E 163 Sts

Bx15/55: merged (Bx15)

runs between Fordham Plaza and Lexington Av/E 125 St

use Bx41 for north of Fordham

northbound rerouted via Madison Av Bridge

S/B: 3 Av, E 139 St, Morris Av, 3 Av Bridge, E 129 St, Lexington Av

N/B: E 125 St, Madison Av, Madison Av Bridge, E 138 St, 3 Av, E 136 St, Lincoln Av, 3 Av

Bx15 Local: runs between Fordham and 3 Av/E 138 St Sta 6am-8pm Weekdays and Late nights, runs to Harlem evenings and weekends only

Bx15 Limited: runs between Fordham and Lex Av/E 125 St 6am-8pm weekdays

Stops

Fordham Plaza/3 Av

E 183 St

E 180 St

E Tremont Av

Claremont Pkwy

E 168 St

E 163 St

E 149 St

E 138 St/Lincoln Av

E 125 St/Lexington Av

Bx17: new southern terminus is E 132 St/Willow Av

southbound buses rerouted via Brook Av

S/B: E 149 St, Brook Av, E 133 St, Bruckner Bl, E 134 St, Willow Av

N/B: Willow Av, E 132 St, St. Ann’s Av

Bx18: eliminated, use Bx11

Bx19: truncated to West Farms Rd/Southern Blvd, use new Bx20 for points north

Current Bx20: see Bx7A

New Bx20: runs between E 149 St/Prospect Av and W 205 St/Paul Av rush hours and middays

truncated to Fordham Rd/Valentine Av evenings & weekends

replaces Bx19 north of West Farms Rd and Bx22 on Goulden Av

Route: Southern Blvd, Fordham Rd, Kingsbridge Rd, Goulden Av

Bx22: new western terminus is Broadway/W 230 St

all buses run to Marble Hill 24/7, use Bx20 for Goulden Av

Route: Fordham Rd, Kingsbridge Rd, W 225 St, Broadway, W 228 St, Marble Hill Av, W 230 St

Bx26: extended west to Broadway/W 230 St

Route: Bedford Park Bl, Goulden Av, Kingsbridge Rd, 225 St, Bway

Bx27: new northern terminus is E 180 St (2/5) Station

use Bx4/4A for Westchester Av

N/B: Rosedale Av, E 180 St, Bronx Park Av, Lebanon St, DeVoe Av

S/B: DeVoe Av, E 180 St, E Tremont Av, Taylor Av, E 174 St, Rosedale Av

Bx28 & Bx38: merged (Bx28)

runs between Co-op City/Earhart Lane and VA Hospital via All Sections

Route: Paul Av, Bedford Park Blvd, Goulden Av, Kingsbridge Rd, Webb Av

New Bx28 Limited Service, runs rush hours only (Bx28 locals only run to Norwood during this time)

Erskine Pl/Earhart Lane

Einstein Loop/Hutch Pkwy East

Co-op City Blvd/Bartow Av

Bellamy Loop North/Co-op City Blvd

Rombouts Av (Carver Loop)

Dreiser Loop West

Donizetti Pl (Truman HS)/Baychester Av

Edson Av/Bartow Av

Knapp St/Gun Hill Rd station

Boston Rd
Bronxwood Av

White Plains Rd

Montefiore Hospital/Bainbridge Av

E 206 St

runs local to VA Hospital

Bx31: extended south to Castle Hill/Zerega Avs to serve Unionport

Route: Lane Av, Commerce Av, Zerega Av

Bx36: split into two routes, Bx36 and Bx37

-Bx36: runs between Washington Heights and E 180 St (2/5) Sta

Restructured Bx36 Limited Service, runs rush hours only

(during this time, Bx36 locals do not run into Manhattan)

Stops

runs local in Manhattan

Cross Bronx Exp/University Av

W Tremont Av

Jerome Av/Tremont Av

Grand Concourse (both sides)

Tremont Av/Webster Av

Webster Av/E 180 St

3 Av

Crotona Av

Southern Blvd

Boston Rd

Morris Park Av

-Bx37: runs between Fordham Plaza and Castle Hill/Zerega Avs

replaces Bx9 in West Farms and Bx36 on E 174 St/White Plains Rd

Route: E Fordham Rd, Southern Blvd, E 180 St, Boston Rd, Hoe/Vyse Avs, E 174 St, Cross Bronx Expwy, White Plains Rd, Lacombe Av, Castle Hill Av

Bx40: becomes East Tremont Av Limited 6am-8pm weekdays

use Bx42 for local

Stops

runs local to Randall/Tremont Avs

Randall Av/Tremont Av

Bruckner Blvd

Westchester Square

Castle Hill Av

Unionport Rd

Rosedale Av

West Farms Square

Southern Blvd

Crotona Av

3 Av

Webster Av

Grand Concourse/Burnside Av (both sides)

runs local to River Park Towers

Bx46: becomes a branch of Bx6, runs 6am-8pm weekdays, 8am-8pm weekends

runs between Barretto Point Park and Yankee Stadium 6am-8pm weekdays

extended to Riverside Drive/W 158 St weekends

route: Tiffany St, Lafayette Av, Hunts Point Av, 163 St, Elton Av, 161 St, Macombs Dam Bridge, 155 St

Bx6 and 46 combined headways

Rush hrs: 4 (8 for each)   Middays: 5 (10 for each)

Weekends: 7.5 (15 for each)

Evenings: 10-12 (Bx6 only)  Late Nights: 30 (Bx6 only)

...forgot to mention that the Bx1 would run local south of E 165 St.

Please... You still haven't mentioned doing anything to address the current bunching issues on the line.  Making the route longer will just things worse.

 

Eliminating the Bx10's turns at Jerome/Gun Hill and Gun Hill/Bainbridge is one. The other could be extending the current short-turns between Riverdale and 231st St station to the Bedford Park station.

Looks like you're not winning many fans... 

 

Katonah Avenue would have my revamped Bx10 for those needing the and . Not to mention, that route runs 24/7.

I'm really not feeling this Bronx bus revamp. Eliminate the 34? Really?

 

With the Bx34, I thought of making it interline with the Bx16. One of them would be the Nereid/Baychester bus while the other was the 233rd Street crosstown. The Bx34 would've been the former, yet still serving Katonah Ave. in Woodlawn. However, political red tape would prevent the Bx34 from touching Yonkers.

I'm sayin though..... How can you opt to remove the Bx5 off that short stint along castle hill av. due to "redundancy", but make the Bx2 more redundant to the Bx1.... What would be the incentive for keeping the Bx2 around? This same logic is exactly why the MTA got rid of the BxM4a service & the BxM4b notation & said f*** it & called the service the "BxM4"..... Only difference is, service wasn't lost w/ the Bxm4.... He's proposing less bus service along GC...

 

Extending the Bx13 to the hub by itself doesn't sound like too bad an idea, but at the expense of phasing out the Bx2 (which is basically what he's doing), nah....

 

That's another good point... He'd be forcing transfers for no real reason....

 

See, his compromise (before this recent update of his proposals) for moving Bx2's from off third av on down to 138th st, was to have the Bx41/SBS extended down there - As if Bx41 usage is synonymous with Bx1/2 usage....

 

Either way, I just don't agree with this whole moving of the Bx2 away from the hub either.....

 

I chose the Bx13 to go to the Hub because it serves an area that is isolated from the subway -- Highbridge. Those who use the Bx2 could use the to the or , or they could use the Bx32, which leaves them close enough to the Hub.

Bronx Bus Overhaul (Update 3)

Bx2: travels down Bx1 south of E 149 St, use Bx13/19 for E 149 St

all Evening & Sunday runs renumbered Bx1

Bx6: runs the full route late nights

More on the Bx6 in the Bx46 article

Bx7A: formerly Bx20

same schedule as current Bx20

Bx8: extended north to E 242 St/Katonah Av

Route: Bronxwood Av, E 233 St, Katonah Av

Bx9: runs between 262nd St/Bway and Fordham Plaza

use Bx37 for West Farms & new Bx20 for Southern Blvd

Bx10: new eastern terminus is 242nd St/Katonah Av

replaces Bx34 north of Bedford Park Blvd

rerouted via Paul Av to serve Clinton HS & Tracey Towers

Route: Sedgwick Av, Mosholu Pkwy, Paul Av, Bedford Park Blvd, Bainbridge Av, Jerome Av, 233rd St, Katonah Av

Bx11: new western terminus is River Park Towers

replaces Bx18 on Undercliff/Sedgwick Avs, use Bx13/35 for Ogden Av/Wash Hts

Route: W 168 St, W 167 St, Sedgwick Av, Undercliff Av

Bx13: extended to E 146 St/Willis Av

replaces Bx2 on E 149 St

Route: River Av, E 149 St, Courtlandt Av, E 146 St, Willis Av, Bergen Av

I am still doing this in order for High Bridge residents, an area that is geographically isolated, to have access to The Hub, Lincoln Hospital and Hostos CC.

school trippers currently running to 3 Av/163rd St truncated to Yankee Stadium

use Bx6/46 for E 161/E 163 Sts

Bx15/55: merged (Bx15)

runs between Fordham Plaza and Lexington Av/E 125 St

use Bx41 for north of Fordham

northbound rerouted via Madison Av Bridge

S/B: 3 Av, E 139 St, Morris Av, 3 Av Bridge, E 129 St, Lexington Av

N/B: E 125 St, Madison Av, Madison Av Bridge, E 138 St, 3 Av, E 136 St, Lincoln Av, 3 Av

Bx15 Local: runs between Fordham and 3 Av/E 138 St Sta 6am-8pm Weekdays and Late nights, runs to Harlem evenings and weekends only

Bx15 Limited: runs between Fordham and Lex Av/E 125 St 6am-8pm weekdays

Stops

Fordham Plaza/3 Av

E 183 St

E 180 St

E Tremont Av

Claremont Pkwy

E 168 St

E 163 St

E 149 St

E 138 St/Lincoln Av

E 125 St/Lexington Av

Bx16: extended to Fordham Rd/Valentine Av to replace Bx34

Bx17: new southern terminus is E 132 St/Willow Av

southbound buses rerouted via Brook Av

S/B: E 149 St, Brook Av, E 133 St, Bruckner Bl, E 134 St, Willow Av

N/B: Willow Av, E 132 St, St. Ann’s Av

Bx18: eliminated, use Bx11

Bx19: truncated to West Farms Rd/Southern Blvd, use new Bx20 for points north

Current Bx20: see Bx7A

New Bx20: runs between E 149 St/Prospect Av and W 205 St/Paul Av rush hours and middays

truncated to Fordham Rd/Valentine Av evenings & weekends

replaces Bx19 north of West Farms Rd and Bx22 on Goulden Av

Route: Southern Blvd, Fordham Rd, Kingsbridge Rd, Goulden Av

Bx22: new western terminus is Broadway/W 230 St

all buses run to Marble Hill 24/7, use Bx20 for Goulden Av

Route: Fordham Rd, Kingsbridge Rd, W 225 St, Broadway, W 228 St, Marble Hill Av, W 230 St

New Bx22 Limited Service runs 6am-8pm Mon-Sat

Runs local between Zerega Av and Westchester Av

Westchester Av/Castle Hill Av

Metropolitan Oval/Unionport Rd

East Tremont Av

Morris Park Av/White Plains Rd

Sagamore St (Bronx Park East station)

Pelham Pkwy South/Boston Rd

Crotona Av/Fordham Rd

Fordham Plaza

Grand Concourse/Kingsbridge Rd

Jerome Av

University Av

Broadway/W 225 St

Broadway/W 230 St

Bx26: extended west to Broadway/W 230 St

Route: Bedford Park Bl, Goulden Av, Kingsbridge Rd, 225 St, Bway

Bx27: new northern terminus is E 180 St (2/5) Station

use Bx4/4A for Westchester Av

N/B: Rosedale Av, E 180 St, Bronx Park Av, Lebanon St, DeVoe Av

S/B: DeVoe Av, E 180 St, E Tremont Av, Taylor Av, E 174 St, Rosedale Av

Bx28 & Bx38: merged (Bx28)

runs between Co-op City/Earhart Lane and VA Hospital via All Sections

Route: Paul Av, Bedford Park Blvd, Goulden Av, Kingsbridge Rd, Webb Av

New Bx28 Limited Service, runs rush hours only (Bx28 locals only run to Norwood during this time)

Erskine Pl/Earhart Lane

Einstein Loop/Hutch Pkwy East

Co-op City Blvd/Bartow Av

Bellamy Loop North/Co-op City Blvd

Rombouts Av (Carver Loop)

Dreiser Loop West

Donizetti Pl (Truman HS)/Baychester Av

Edson Av/Bartow Av

Knapp St/Gun Hill Rd station

Boston Rd
Bronxwood Av

White Plains Rd

Montefiore Hospital/Bainbridge Av

E 206 St

runs local to VA Hospital

Bx31: extended south to Castle Hill/Zerega Avs to serve Unionport

Route: Lane Av, Commerce Av, Zerega Av

Bx34: eliminated

use Bx10 for Woodlawn and Bx16 for Fordham Center

Bx36: split into two routes, Bx36 and Bx37

-Bx36: runs between Washington Heights and E 180 St (2/5) Sta

Restructured Bx36 Limited Service, runs rush hours only

(during this time, Bx36 locals do not run into Manhattan)

Stops

runs local in Manhattan

Cross Bronx Exp/University Av

W Tremont Av

Jerome Av/Tremont Av

Grand Concourse (both sides)

Tremont Av/Webster Av

Webster Av/E 180 St

3 Av

Crotona Av

Southern Blvd

Boston Rd

Morris Park Av

-Bx37: runs between Fordham Plaza and Castle Hill/Zerega Avs

replaces Bx9 in West Farms and Bx36 on E 174 St/White Plains Rd

Route: E Fordham Rd, Southern Blvd, E 180 St, Boston Rd, Hoe/Vyse Avs, E 174 St, Cross Bronx Expwy, White Plains Rd, Lacombe Av, Castle Hill Av

Bx40: becomes East Tremont Av Limited 6am-8pm weekdays

use Bx42 for local

Stops

runs local to Randall/Tremont Avs

Randall Av/Tremont Av

Bruckner Blvd

Westchester Square

Castle Hill Av

Unionport Rd

Rosedale Av

West Farms Square

Southern Blvd

Crotona Av

3 Av

Webster Av

Grand Concourse/Burnside Av (both sides)

runs local to River Park Towers

Bx46: becomes a branch of Bx6, runs 6am-8pm weekdays, 8am-8pm weekends

runs between Barretto Point Park and Yankee Stadium 6am-8pm weekdays

extended to Riverside Drive/W 158 St weekends

route: Tiffany St, Lafayette Av, Hunts Point Av, 163 St, Elton Av, 161 St, Macombs Dam Bridge, 155 St

Bx6 and 46 combined headways

Rush hrs: 4 (8 for each)   Middays: 5 (10 for each)

Weekends: 7.5 (15 for each)

Evenings: 10-12 (Bx6 only)  Late Nights: 30 (Bx6 only)

Yeah.... Good... Exactly.... So why did you state that b/w 230th & 231st can be tough & that the traffic b/w 230th & 225th isn't so tough in your prior post, if you're saying what you're saying now in this latest post about traffic on broadway.....

 

.....and yeah, He also isn't thinking about how many people would be incovenienced along Broadway b/w 225th & 231st that need the damn thing for service in/out of manhattan & up past 231st st .... Underestimation of usage of that route along broadway in the affected portion, in other words..... Telling those folks to take Bx9's doesn't help matters.... Seeing what he already said about the Bx1 & Bx2, I wouldn't be surprised if his solution was to have those folks b/w 225th & 231st that need &/or are coming from manhattan just take the .....

The "tough traffic" going southbound results from the Bx9 and the many cars trying to make a turn onto 225th Street for either Target or Kingsbridge Road.

Me personally I have never seen so much traffic along Broadway to justify what I see as an unnecessary re-route from a commercial corridor to a more residential one.

Travel northbound between 230th and 231st and southbound between 230th and 225th during the middays, PM rush hours, and even on weekends to see the traffic.

 

 

With the feedback I'm getting, I might need to do a 3rd update, which will be released later today.

- I'm showing an illustration of YOUR Bx10.....

- I'm showing an illustration of what checkmate's talking about (if the Bx10 were to skip Lehman coll./Clinton HS/ Bronx HS of science)

 

.....on the same map.

 

 

Alright, let's see here......

 

Bx2: You would do that to lessen overall bus service along GC to cram even more people on the subway?

You should be the last person suggesting such a thing for your fellow Bronxites that use bus service along GC in the numbers that they do - Not to mention the usage it gets b/w (along) 231st st & Tracey Towers/Mosholu pkwy .... This sudden notion of overservice regarding the Bx1/2 I'm not buying at alll....

 

Hell, It was bad enough when the MTA moved the Bx2 from off Melrose (to serve more of GC), now here you are suggesting that the remaining unique remnant of the route (meaning, south of the hub, towards mott haven projects) be eradicated so that the Bx2 would serve all of GC like the Bx1 does....

 

I mean really, what incentive would there be to keep the Bx2 around....

 

Bx5: Lol.... It's ridiculous to sit here & state that you want to get rid of the Bx5 on castle hill b/w lafayette & bruckner blvd (which is like what, a 1/4 mile) to eliminate redundancy - When you're the same person that wants to move the Bx2 off third av & off 149th st to have it be completely redundant to the Bx1.....

 

Let's be real here, bringing up redundancy was a BS reason b/c you realize there isn't anything to be gained by moving Bx5's along that part of Zerega...... Like I alluded to earlier, keeping buses along Castle Hill av over there aids in the residents in that general area getting to areas the Bx5 serves on either side (direction) of the route.... Moving them along Zerega doesn't benefit patrons of that area at all.....

 

Bx7/7a: Yes, I realize you're moving it for the reason of traffic....

As far as the Target, from broadway, they can continue to walk to it (I wouldn't consider diverting Bx7's for that reason)....

 

....and regarding scheduling on your "Bx7a", alright, gotcha....

 

(your new Bx20) & Bx22: Right, by mixing & matching service....

 

You create a route (your 'Bx20") that runs along southern en route to Lehman b/c you know alternating Bx22's run up to Lehman..... While service from along Southern towards the Fordham plz area is a good idea, What I'm saying is you don't have to truncate ALL Bx22 service to Fordham/Valentine to lessen delays.....

 

Bx41: Lol..... That's a reason to keep it terminating at the Hub...

 

Bx46: I hear ya.... I also think more can be done w/ this piece of a route....

For the Bx1/2: those riding from Tracey to 231st have the Bx10 since it's rerouted via Paul Avenue.

 

In a perfect world, I would truncate the Bx22 to Fordham Plaza. But it would be a disservice to those heading uphill to Valentine and the Concourse. As for the new Bx20, it would be redundant to have both the Bx20 and Bx22 to Goulden Avenue during weekdays.

 

And for the Bx7/7A, it's not just to serve Target, it's also serving a corridor that's separated from Broadway by the highway, Bailey Avenue south of 231st Street. There's a few apartment buildings along that stretch and an elementary school there too.

 

This would help the usage of the Bx34 a lot..... Currently, the masses cram for the 28 to get from Norwood to Fordham....

 

As for this route (37), for starters, it would have to go to kingsbridge [the neighborhood] (if you want to establish any type of a strong & consistent riderbase)... Along w/ the , this is what helps the Bx1 west of Van Cortlandt Village......

 

Ending it (37) at River Plaza from Norwood via Paul > BPB > Goulden would basically resemble a school shuttle to the (because you're not gonna get anyone using buses along goulden (just like w/ the current Bx22), and the masses along kingsbridge rd. itself (esp. around sedgwick) would gun for the Bx9)....

Aside from schoolkids, your riderbase would basically consist of w/e Tracey Towers patrons that'll use it to get to River Plaza, w/e stragglers that would take 'em if the 9 doesn't come first along kingsbridge rd towards the mall, and however many/few other people you could siphon off Bx10's in the Norwood area itself that wants the by taking a route of sorts (37)..... I say it like that because Tracey Towers patrons seldom utilize the 10 (in either direction)....

 

Hope that's not too confusing.....

 

* If or whenever you feel like it, on a saturday or sunday, take a walk along Goulden up from kingsbridge rd, survey/check out the area around that park around Lehman (I think they're still doing construction inside that park... don't know if it's finished or not), and walk along paul north of BPB & you'll see what I'm talking about....

 

I actually notice the opposite. I see more take the Bx34 when it comes to traveling between Montefiore Hospital and Fordham Road. The Bx28 is more used to reach Tracey Towers and the Educational Mile. Some even use the Bx28 to transfer to the Bx3 by getting off at Kingsbridge and walking 4 blocks west to University Avenue (most popular with Bronx Community College students coming from the North Bronx).

-What's wrong with people preferring to use the bus over the subway? I mean seriously, I think you have a lot of nerve trying to force people to take a mode of transportation over the other by purposely decreasing their headways.  The is already crowded enough as it is.

 

-I see no need to run the Bx20 any earlier than it is already. If students need service like that they can simply run a school shuttle for them and call it a day.

 

-Bx7 should stay where it is.  The route is there to serve Broadway not be a shuttle for Target.  There's a bus stop across the street from Target.  If they need service like that they can call a taxi.  I see no need to further screw up that route when it already runs terrible enough and bunches like crazy even on the weekends which I find utterly ridiculous.  I can't fathom how a route like that can bunch on Sundays when there is no traffic to speak of.  The current stops that you want to remove appear to be well used and also by some elderly folks so you would be forcing them to walk further to get the bus and potentially elongating the route further by having it taken off of Broadway, forcing it to meander further.

 

The is crowded during the rush, but not during off-peak hours or in the reverse peak, the hours that I want to target for Bx1/2 cuts.

 

I rerouted the Bx7 through Bailey to avoid some of the traffic that's on Broadway. Besides, the stops on Bway at 228th and 230th have the Bx9.

Only gonna comment on the ones I don't remember off-top seeing from you...

 

 

Bx2 & Bx13: With Grand Concourse, Nah man, the MTA has it right here.... You don't need the Bx1 & the Bx2 serving GC south of 149th.... It's no accident that the Bx1 serves the busier portion on the north end, and the Bx2 serves the busier portion on the south end of their respective routes..... Your suggestion overserves that part of GC.....

 

Extending the Bx13 to the hub & suggesting riders take that (instead of the Bx2 along 149th) doesn't solve much of anything regarding that, as that route pans further west of GC towards high bridge.... The more I think about it, Washington Heights patrons are actually better off taking the subway to 145th st & xferring for the Bx19 if they want the hub (over taking a route like the Bx13 straight there).... I get that you're tryna get more people onto the 13, but still...... FWIW, I would leave it at Bx. Gateway mall... I'm not sure where you're gonna have these buses terminate anyway.....

 

Bx5: It's not about "use Bx22 for castle hill (av)"... With the Bx5, it's about connecting one portion of the bronx to another..... Keeping buses on Castle Hill makes that a little more feasible, since that's around where riders are coming from..... I don't see the point of this particular suggestion of yours; what do you gain by running buses along lafayette to zerega? That's all industry over there (....that you have the Bx31 extended to serve anyway).... or are you simply trying to have 5's avoid traffic along castle hill?

 

Bx7/7a: Although I see the benefit (of avoiding the crawl along Broadway), I'm still uneasy about taking the Bx7 from off Broadway; it isn't the worst idea though.....

 

As far as turning Bx20's into "Bx7a's", the only real question I have to that is, when & how often would these buses run? Same schedule as today's 20's, or somehow integrated into the Bx7 (to the point where they'd run throughout the day like the Bx7 does, or what)....

 

Bx9: I can see why you'd want to break up the route (although I don't agree that should happen), but my problem is what you're breaking it up for (your whole Bx36/Bx37 plan)....

 

Bx19/ (your new) Bx20/ Bx22: Okay, what are you doing here?

It's not enough you want to split up the Bx9, but the 19 also? Each for a new route at that (Bx9 -> Bx37 || Bx19 -> your new Bx20).....

Even if you wanted to do all this, I'm not seeing why you don't have:

 

- A part time 19 variant (guess you can call this the "20") run b/w 149th st & Valentine/192nd (you don't have to run a route like this up to Lehman), and...

-  Keep the Lehman College 22's & have them go something like Bedford Park Blvd > Webster av > Fordham rd instead.....

 

By having all Bx22's end at Fordham/Valentine, what you're really suggesting is that service be cut on that route.... The problem on that route now is that it's so unreliable..... In doing this, you can still keep the Bx19 ending at the Zoo

(yes, I understand the current terminal is basically a layover spot & that the masses get off for Fordham rd).....

 

Bx28/38: No offense, but screw restructuring those routes separately....

They need to get rid of the 38 in its entirety & revert the former Bx28 route.....

 

Bx41: Nostalgia w/ the Bx41 huh, running it south of the hub (although it ran further south past 138th)....

 

Anyway, this would be unnecessary if you wouldn't move the Bx2 run along GC south of 149th.....

(in other words, instead of the Bx2/21 between the mott haven pj's, you have the Bx21/41 doing as such)... I see you.

 

Bx46: Yup, I'll just wait patiently for something of the sort to actually/literally happen....

 

For the split of the Bx9, 19 and 36, I wanted to shorten those routes to lessen delays.

 

My replies to yours:

 

Bx1/2: I did this to lessen overall service -- encouraging Grand Concourse riders to use the . The frequencies on the combined routes often get people there to use the bus over the train.

 

Bx5: eliminates redundancy on that portion of Castle Hill

 

Bx7A: would have the same schedule as the current Bx20, but starts earlier during the PM rush to serve students at Riverdale/Kingsbridge Academy

 

Bx7/7A: I removed it from Broadway between 231st and 225th to avoid the traffic and for the routes to serve Target. Besides, this reroute enables a direct connection to the at 231st (southbound riders currently have to walk about 3 blocks from the Corlear Av stop).

 

Bx22: I have the new Bx20 run to Lehman instead of the Bx22 to lessen delays on the latter

 

Bx41: since it would become SBS, I have it going to Mott Haven for the and Bx33.

 

Bx46: Longwood Avenue is a pretty good corridor, but most get to Longwood by subway, not bus. As for Barretto Point Park, I did the Bx46 in this fashion because the Bx46 does not serve the residential portion of Hunts Point (i.e. Seneca and Lafayette Avs, by Hunts Point Av).

Just for the hell of it.... Bx10 google map

(checkmate in blue, cotb16 in red, dark red represents an overlap)

 

 

So you're talking about skipping all the schools then.....

 

In other words, from Tracey Towers straight to Van Cortlandt Village (the area between van cortlandt park & the reservoir site).... I thought you were possibly talking about having 10's coming up towards 205th from somewhere south of the reservoir site somehow (that's why I asked).....

 

Anyway, as far as the goes, that's just it.... Most of the folks (students) that take the Bx10 are riding from their respective schools, straight to the itself, or to kingsbridge proper..... At best, you could have midday Bx10's do what you're suggesting, but that would be the extent of it IMO...

 

If you take the bx10 through 2 different routes, it would be confusing.

 

Are you smoking something???   You have no idea how much the Bx7 and Bx10 bunch. Yesterday I was on Riverdale Avenue and there there were THREE Bx7s that came back to back to back... The Bx10 isn't much better in that regard, nor is the Bx20 any better.  None of these routes need to be any longer than they already are.

 

With the Bx10, I eliminated some of the turns at high-trafficked intersections, notably the Bainbridge-to-Gun Hill and the Gun Hill-to-Jerome turns. This, and the route bypassing the Jerome Av shopping district, would decrease delays.

Here's my updated version of my overhaul:

 

Bronx Bus Overhaul (Update 2)

Bx2: all buses run via Bx1 south of E 149th St, use Bx13 for The Hub

All Evening & Sunday runs renumbered Bx1

Bx5: rerouted via Lafayette/Zerega Avs, use Bx22 for Castle Hill Av

Bx6: runs the full route late nights

Bx7/7A: rerouted via Bailey Av/W 225 St to serve Target and connect directly to

route: W 231 St, Bailey Av, W 225 St, Broadway

Bx7A: formerly Bx20

Bx9: runs between 262nd St/Bway and Fordham Plaza

use Bx37 for West Farms & new Bx20 for Southern Blvd

Bx10: new eastern terminus is 242nd St/Katonah Av

replaces Bx34 north of Bedford Park Blvd

rerouted via Paul Av to serve Clinton HS & Tracey Towers

Route: Sedgwick Av, Mosholu Pkwy, Paul Av, Bedford Park Blvd, Bainbridge Av, Jerome Av, 233rd St, Katonah Av

Bx11: new western terminus is River Park Towers

replaces Bx18 on Undercliff/Sedgwick Avs, use Bx13/35 for Ogden Av/Wash Hts

Route: W 168 St, W 167 St, Sedgwick Av, Undercliff Av

Bx13: extended to E 146 St/Willis Av

replaces Bx2 on E 149 St, serves Hostos CC, Lincoln Hospital & The Hub

Route: River Av, E 149 St, Courtlandt Av, E 146 St, Willis Av, Bergen Av

Bx15/55: merged (Bx15)

runs between Fordham Plaza and Lexington Av/E 125 St

use Bx41 for north of Fordham

northbound rerouted via Madison Av Bridge

S/B: 3 Av, E 139 St, Morris Av, 3 Av Bridge, E 129 St, Lexington Av

N/B: E 125 St, Madison Av, Madison Av Bridge, E 138 St, 3 Av, E 136 St, Lincoln Av, 3 Av

Bx15 Local: runs between Fordham and 3 Av/E 138 St Sta 6am-8pm Weekdays and Late nights, runs to Harlem evenings and weekends only

Bx15 Limited: runs between Fordham and Lex Av/E 125 St 6am-8pm weekdays

Stops

Fordham Plaza/3 Av

E 183 St

E 180 St

E Tremont Av

Claremont Pkwy

E 168 St

E 163 St

E 149 St

E 138 St/Lincoln Av

E 125 St/Lexington Av

Bx16: extended to Fordham Rd/Valentine Av to replace Bx34

Bx17: new southern terminus is E 132 St/Willow Av

southbound buses rerouted via Brook Av

S/B: E 149 St, Brook Av, E 133 St, Bruckner Bl, E 134 St, Willow Av

N/B: Willow Av, E 132 St, St. Ann’s Av

Bx18: eliminated, use Bx11

Bx19: truncated to West Farms Rd/Southern Blvd, use new Bx20 for points north

Current Bx20: see Bx7A

New Bx20: runs between E 149 St/Prospect Av and W 205 St/Paul Av rush hours and middays

truncated to Fordham Rd/Valentine Av evenings & weekends

replaces Bx19 north of West Farms Rd and Bx22 on Goulden Av

Route: Southern Blvd, Fordham Rd, Kingsbridge Rd, Goulden Av

Bx22: all buses terminate at Fordham Rd/Valentine Av, use Bx20 for Goulden Av

Bx26: extended west to Broadway/W 230 St

Route: Bedford Park Bl, Goulden Av, Kingsbridge Rd, 225 St, Bway

Bx27: new northern terminus is E 180 St (2/5) Station

use Bx4/4A for Westchester Av

N/B: Rosedale Av, E 180 St, Bronx Park Av, Lebanon St, DeVoe Av

S/B: DeVoe Av, E 180 St, E Tremont Av, Taylor Av, E 174 St, Rosedale Av

Bx28 & Bx38: restructured

-Bx28: runs between Norwood and Earhart Lane/Erskine Pl via Sections 4-5

only runs 5am-10pm weekdays, 7am-9pm weekends

-Bx38: runs between Earhart Lane/Erskine Pl and VA Hospital via All Sections

only runs to Norwood late nights

Route: Mosholu Pkwy, Paul Av, Bedford Pk Bl, Goulden Av, Kingsbridge Rd, Webb Av

New Bx38 Limited Service, runs rush hours only (all Bx38’s run LTD, use Bx28 for Local)

runs local in Co-op City

Edson Av/Bartow Av

Knapp St/Gun Hill Rd station

Boston Rd
Bronxwood Av

White Plains Rd

Montefiore Hospital/Bainbridge Av

E 206 St

runs local to VA Hospital

Bx31: extended south to Castle Hill/Zerega Avs to serve Unionport

Route: Lane Av, Commerce Av, Zerega Av

Bx34: eliminated

use Bx10 for Woodlawn and Bx16 for Fordham Center

Bx36: split into two routes, bx36 and Bx37

-Bx36: runs between Washington Heights and E 180 St (2/5) Sta

Restructured Bx36 Limited Service, runs rush hours only

(during this time, Bx36 locals do not run into Manhattan)

Stops

runs local in Manhattan

Cross Bronx Exp/University Av

W Tremont Av

Jerome Av/Tremont Av

Grand Concourse (both sides)

Tremont Av/Webster Av

Webster Av/E 180 St

3 Av

Crotona Av

Southern Blvd

Boston Rd

Morris Park Av

-Bx37: runs between Fordham Plaza and Castle Hill/Zerega Avs

replaces Bx9 in West Farms and Bx36 on E 174 St/White Plains Rd

Route: 3 Av, E 184 St, Arthur Av, E 182 St, Bronx Park South, Boston Rd, Hoe/Vyse Avs, E 174 St, Cross Bronx Expwy, White Plains Rd, Lacombe Av, Castle Hill Av

Bx40: becomes East Tremont Av Limited 6am-8pm weekdays

use Bx42 for local

Stops

runs local to Randall/Tremont Avs

Randall Av/Tremont Av

Bruckner Blvd

Westchester Square

Castle Hill Av

Unionport Rd

Rosedale Av

West Farms Square

Southern Blvd

Crotona Av

3 Av

Webster Av

Grand Concourse/Burnside Av (both sides)

runs local to River Park Towers

Bx41: extended to E 138 St/3 Av sta

S/B: Melrose Av, E 149 St, Courtlandt Av, 3 Av, E 139 St, Morris Av, 3 Av

N/B: Lincoln Av, 3 Av, E 152 St, Melrose Av

Bx46: becomes a branch of Bx6

runs between Barretto Point Park and Yankee Stadium 6am-8pm weekdays

extended to Riverside Drive/W 158 St weekends

route: Tiffany St, Lafayette Av, Hunts Point Av, 163 St, Elton Av, 161 St, Macombs Dam Bridge, 155 St

I have a proposal:

 

The Turn the Bx18 does onto 170 street from Plaza Drive is a very difficult one, since the stop is right there right after turning. Not to mention Jerome is about 38 feet away( an estimation, because Bx18 drivers after turning have a hard time pulling into the stop without overpassing it and stopping on the Painted Crosswalk at Jerome. The Bx11 has no problem since it's straight. It would also be a problem with Jerome, since there is little space to actually turn from Macombs Road to it without hitting a car. 

 

Anyways, What I planned was that the Bx18 take Cromwell  Avenue Southbound instead, merging right at the Intersection of Macombs and Cromwell, and then turn right on 170th Street. It wouldnt be such a difficult turn to 170 street. That also means alter bus stops in the discontinued path.

 

The Southbound stop at Macombs Road/ Inwood Avenue would be relocated to Cromwell Avenue and Macombs Road, one block north.

 

I would also add a stop at 170 street half-block between Inwood Avenue and Cromwell Avenue, for the Bx11 and the rerouted Bx18.

 

Comments?

 

The stop between Cromwell and Inwood for the Bx11 and Bx18 is not necessary, as there is only industrial spots. Most want either Jerome Av (two blocks east) or Edward L. Grant Highway (one block west and uphill).

 

However, I do like the idea of rerouting the southbound Bx18 via Cromwell Avenue.