cotb16

OK, I only have two proposals for the Bronx. One is obviously the Bx25 above, but I also wanted to reroute the Bx22 via Bronxdale Avenue for extra coverage. How well used is the Bx22 around the Unionport Oval? Maybe a branch system similar to the Bx4/Bx4A could be worked out.

The Bx22 is very well-used along Unionport Road that you could spend about 10 minutes traveling along the route within the Parkchester complex.

...and they can continue taking the to get to gateway if need be.

 

You just can't ignore the connection to a subway line just to have it serve the mall.... Yeah the is utilized more because it's closer coming from the west... However, those waiting for 18's over there @ GC heading back west isn't exactly light either.....

But it is light compared to the crowd at Jerome Avenue.

Bx18 reroute proposal...currently the route only exists because of steep elevation differences in University Heights inaccessible to other services. However, this route requires a transfer (and sometimes two) from it to reach any significant business district. What I would propose is as follows, creating a Bx18A and a Bx18B

 

Bx18A - via Macombs Road, turn off onto Cromwell Avenue due south, right onto East 170 Street, left on Grant Highway, continue onto East 167 Street, right at River Avenue, and to the Bx13 terminus at the foot of River Avenue. Return via same route, except using Inwood instead of Cromwell.

 

Bx18B - weekdays only - via Macombs Road, left on Mount Eden Avenue, to Morris Avenue and end (to serve Bronx Lebanon Hospital). Return via same route.

 

I would think that significant new ridership would be garnered by expanding the footprint of services to Gateway Mall in the Bronx that the Bx13 cannot reach east of the Grant Highway (north of 169) and Ogden Avenue (south of 169) because of differences in elevation. There would be connections available from routes like the Bx3, Bx40, and Bx42 to Gateway Mall.

The only thing I would do to the Bx18 is send it to Gateway, but via Macombs, Jerome and River to provide the connection at 170th St.

For those worried about the , most Bx18 riders usually use the bus to reach the since the nearby Bx3 and Bx36 in Morris Heights connect to West Side lines such as the and .

Which is another thing... You would then have two routes running from fordham to riverdale - the only difference is each would serve opposite ends of riverdale....

 

The Bx9 is notorious for bunching, but bringing back the old Bx24 wouldn't help matters any.....

 

And yeah, it was cut due to low usage.... ridership was mainly elderly riders, you're right....

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Random thought... Lol.

- I'm surprised no one (AFAIK) ever brought up a Washington heights-Fordham route....

Actually, the old Bx24 now would do wonders, especially with Target and the stores now open (unlike back in 1995).

Interesting. Name a few big stops on kingsbridge rd. Wouldn't Bx9 be faster if it made fewer stops on fordham rd and southern blvd as those 2 roads have other bus lines that are frequent?

I wouldn't think so as the Southern Blvd stops are pretty trafficked (southbound for those heading to the and and northbound for those bound for Fordham, Kingsbridge and Riverdale).

For me, it would be better to create a Bx9 short-turn between Fordham Plaza and 225th St/Broadway since that's where most of the Bx9 usage is.

Would the Bx9 benefit from a LTD version? any thoughts guys?

No for two reasons:

-Many of the big stops are pretty close apart, especially between 225th/Bway and Fordham Plaza.

-Traffic, which makes the Bx9 prone to bunching, would deter any little time savings.

1) The workers and regular patients of the Union Community Health Center would love this route.

2) From Morris Heights, this would be a better way to get to Fordham Plaza.

3) Good way for riders to caught the (you get the point....) at 180 Street better than go to West Farms.

4) A good part-time route. Every 20-25 minutes as I would see it.

 

Approve!  

My biggest concern with this route is the narrow streets along 183rd Street and the often-delayed 187th Street.

This would be more evident with the upcoming Fordham Plaza construction which would cause Fordham Road to be closed to all traffic except for buses and emergency vehicles.

My guess for 2001 being the cut-off date is because after 9/11, there was more political correctness in cartoons thanks to the pressure from watchdog groups (like the Parents Television Council). Nowadays, you don't see someone like Tom or Jerry get hit by an iron.

Negative guess again!!!! I will give you a hint you have to think completely outside the box to figure out what I got at . Abandon your way of thinking Hint: NO ROUTE WILL BE EXTENDED at all to accomplish this. But maximize what you have. Think very differently.

 

My guess is maximizing little-used routes such as the Q26, Q31, Q76, among others to attract riders to them, taking away ridership from high-volume routes such as the Q27.

Nah, that route would probably have to use Fresh Pond Road, and that would be a nightmare...

 

EDIT: I came up with a Q47A, a branch of the Q47 to Ridgewood: https://maps.google.....075299,0.15398

 

Here's my take on it:

http://goo.gl/maps/6fNlA

There's something called the Q53 to the which is much faster...

 

 

 

 

Any comments?

The Q51 looks great. It has promise since Ridgewood, Glendale, Bushwick and East New York could reach jobs and schools in Central/Eastern Queens.

I would like to see a route that runs between the Ridgewood Terminal and Jackson Heights to allow for access from North/Central Brooklyn to the jobs in Jackson Heights/Corona/LGA Airport.

You could do it that way, but I figure why have it serve 2 stops on that "side" of the [metropolitan, forest].... That, and the eliot spur is by far the straightest portion of the current Q38, and I wanted to keep it that way - even if it means 5 more mins. or so to the at forest..... My thinking was, if the route is to be split, one (split) should serve one station on the M, and the other split should serve another station on the M....

 

Of course, either split would still have access to the M along QB as well.....

 

But it's not the fact of serving two stops, but it's a quicker ride to the train from Eliot Avenue. In addition, Eliot Av riders would have access to Metro Mall and the connection to the Q58 LTD at Metro/Fresh Pond instead of the local at Eliot/Fresh Pond.

Here's a map of how I would restructure things:

https://maps.google....093406,0.154324

(for the hell of it, I added the current/real Q58 for comparison purposes.....)

 

 

alright....

"Q59"..... main reason why I think this route should be involved in a split of the current 38 is b/c the current Q59 is not much more than a supplementary route that needs not be..... The Q58 & all the service that it gets, got the main/commercial part of Grand av covered..... few ppl take Q59's towards rego park b/c folks are too busy either making their way to the subway or taking Q60's b/c they need service past rego park itself along QB..... Anyway, having this route serve a totally different market (middle village, rego park, etc) can only benefit the network & the riders that currently have to put up w/ the woes of the current 38..... Basically, I'd turn it into a coverage route (with above par coverage route headways)......

 

From top to bottom.... I have this taking over the 62nd/63rd portion of the current 38 & extended to the corona side of 99th, due to the fact that it's a headache to get from one side of the HHE to the next.... I can see residents around 63rd rd taking this to that side of the HHE for the purpose of hitting up those little stores along 99th & what not.... not only that, but in general, those are very community-oriented areas that are closely related to one another.... so two areas should be connected w/ a bus route (as opposed to being so close, but so far apart).... Another benefit to this move is that it offers a connection w/ the flushing bound 58 w/o having to cross any streets whatsoever......

 

Middle village routing I left alone; if that works for them, so be it.... Turning it back up fresh pond rd to get to Grand av is simple - you don't want to leave that part of industrial maspeth with nothing..... this is why I wouldn't have it continuing on Met. av all the way to Brooklyn like the 54 does..... I don't have it going straight on met av towards Brooklyn b/c b/w bushwick av & the bridge often suffers from heavy truck traffic......

 

Brooklyn routing, moving this on Met. av west of bushwick av has to do w/ how I'd restructure the B24/B48.... that part of met. av shouldn't be left w/ only weekday service b/c the rest of the B24 route lacks in usage...... I don't have the "Q59" looping around kent/wythe b/c that routing has been a complete waste of time for the longest..... If the MTA wants to create a route in that area (b/w wms'burg & greenpoint), then let them go right ahead due next year, or whenever that's supposed to take place....

 

 

"Q38".... I have this going to flushing, via Roosevelt mainly b/c there is a hole in service once you get north of LeFrak city (only other person I seen address this, is Cotb16 some time ago).... An argument can be made for it paralleling the (worthless) 48 & having to deal with roosevelt traffic, but fact of the matter is, you cannot terminate another route with the Q58 over there by 41st, esp. with as frequent as that route is....

 

top to bottom again.... I know prince st isn't all that ideal (so if anyone wants to rip me a new one, then go ahead), but since you have the Q19 & 66 sharing a stop, and the Q48 & 50 sharing a stop over on Roosevelt/main, may as well forget adding a 5th route to end on that block..... the walking distance from there to main/roosevelt shouldn't be too much of a problem; far better from where the Q58 puts you off at IMO..... You can also argue that flushing doesn't need another route, but a route running b/w corona/ridgewood is too short; the ridership b/w those two points isn't booming like say, a B74, Q64, etc.......

 

I have the route utilizing 108th & 43rd simply b/c Corona plz. (which is where I would've ideally like to send the route) is a pedestrian (and vehicular, to a certain extent) nightmare.... on top of filling a gap (which there is a market for; which is why the 23 turns off 108th towards corona plz the way it does), I simply have the route running down 99th from corona av to 57th b/c the routing the current 38 takes along 98th, christie, and 99th is indirect..... towards hoffman dr & towards/along eliot remains the same.... I have this extended to Ridgewood to establish an (increased) riderbase, for those that don't want to deal w/ the headache of the Q58 along grand st to get to QB...... Forest & Eliot gets you to QB much quicker than Fresh Pond & Grand does.....

 

 

....and that's about it.

I am tired & I am out.... I'll check w/e comments (if any) sometime later on in the day......

With your Q38 in Middle Village, I would have it rerouted between 69th/Eliot and Metro/Forest in order to provide a quicker connection to the and access to Metro Mall.

Route: Eliot Av, 69th St, Metropolitan Av, Forest Av

The rest of your stuff looks good though.

Oh. I thought that cars and buses can't cross Queens Blvd from one side of Union Tpke to the other and have to use the GCP. Nvm.

Eastbound buses can cross Queens Blvd, but westbound cannot.

Not necessarily, most ppl in Astoria actually go to the Q69. The Q19 is for those who don't necessarily live near the Q69 and a lot of ppl during the rush use it as an option to the overcrowded M60 (if they are going to the Astoria Blvd station).

 

The core of the Q19's ridership is in East Elmhurst (mainly between 108th and 92nd Sts).

The Q32 bunches and gets delayed so much that many opt to transfer to the subway, so the Q38 will get the ridership necessary.

 

Any more comments on the B24 & Q38?

 

Yes, on the Q38, I would extend it past Greenpoint Av station to Williamsburg Bridge Plaza, running along Kent and Wythe Avs, in order to serve the residents in the new housing developments.

Route: Greenpoint Av, Franklin St, Kent/Wythe Avs, Broadway

Agreed. I disagree w/ANY ideas to extend the Q49 or Q19, they are fine the way they are, well other than the Q19's horrible headways lol

 

The Q94 idea is interesting, but it would possibly get held up in traffic along Astoria Blvd like the M60 does.. LTD would help it somewhat outside of AM rush, Bx-bound during AM rush it will ALWAYS hit some sort of traffic along Astoria Blvd, which could cause delays...

I think it should run only between The Hub and LGA because there is no point of it going along 3rd Avenue as a LTD when there already is the Bx55. BUT if you eliminate the Bx55 then running it all the way to Fordham would make sense..

 

If the Bx55 is kept, send the Q94 to Yankee Stadium via 3rd Av/163rd/Elton/161st to add connections to the and , serve the Courts, and the rapidly-growing Melrose community.

I would also have the Q94 run local west of 163rd/3rd Av since all of those stops between 3rd Av and Yankee Stadium get very good ridership.

As for its limited stops, I would also add 156th St/3rd Av in order to serve the DMV, the northern portion of The Hub shopping district, and South Bronx High School.

Yeah but most people will be coming from areas like Parkchester, and the People from Pelham Bay can use the Q50 to the Q48. Besides it wont hurt for Riders from Pelham Bay to transfer to another train at an express stop that is right across the platform. It would only add like 5 minutes to the trip. Besides, although the connection to 138 street would be helpful, the route would go way out of route and all the connections you mentioned can be done at the hub, as the Q94 will serve the Hub

 

What about those coming from the Western Bronx (such as the Concourse) who need Queens?

https://maps.google....e6e61c74d738c94

I rerouted my Q94 to connect with the at Brook Avenue LGA bound only

 

I don't agree with it since Brook Av only has a connection to the Bx17. If you connect the Q94 at 3rd av/138th ST, there would be more bus connections (to the Bx1 for Grand Concourse, the Bx32 for Morris Av) and it's an express stop on the line.

The route will actually turn on 3rd Ave, left on 150, and right on Melrose. I'll update the map in a while.

 

I have a better idea, have it use the following travel path

Queens-bound: down 3rd Av, right on 139th St, left on Morris Av, right on 138th St, left on Deegan Expwy, take I-87 south to RFK Bridge, then Astoria Blvd and regular route to LGA

Fordham-bound: take RFK Bridge to Deegan Expwy, take I-87 North to Exit 2 (Willis Av), right on Lincoln Av, right on 3rd Av

I have a better idea, have it use the following travel path

 

Queens-bound: down 3rd Av, right on 139th St, left on Morris Av, right on 138th St, left on Deegan Expwy, take I-87 south to RFK Bridge, then Astoria Blvd and regular route to LGA

 

Fordham-bound: take RFK Bridge to Deegan Expwy, take I-87 North to Exit 2 (Willis Av), right on Lincoln Av, right on 3rd Av

 

It would allow for a connection to the at 3rd Av/138th St, providing access from the Southeast Bronx (such as Soundview, Hunts Point, Parkchester) to Queens and LGA Airport.

https://maps.google....e6e61c74d738c94

 

The latest version of my proposed Queens Bus Map

Noticeable changes

Q94 bus route added to run West Farms CNG buses. Interline with Bx55 weekdays and Bx15 weekends. Bus will run Via Park Avenue Instead of Busy Webster Avenue.

 

I looked at your Q94 and there's a problem; no turns are allowed at 149th STreet and Melrose Avenue (except that right turn that the Bx41 and a million others make there).

I understand the concern about the Prospect Avenue branch, let me be a bit clearer:

 

Frequent service to the Prospect Avenue branch is only at rush hours. Other times, service is only every 20 minutes.

 

Not bad.

With the B28 proposal, I prefer it using 9th Street since it's a much busier corridor than Prospect Avenue.

BxM18 - Should be extended to Getty Square Yonkers via Riverdale Avenue. Just like the BxM3 runs through Broadway past the border, the BxM18 will run through Riverdale Avenue through the border. May get a few extra riders keeping those deadheads in service.

 

Bx5 - White Plains Road service runs overnight at 40 minute headways.

 

Bx5A - new bus running completely on Bruckner Boulevard, restores some service lost in 1999 on part of Bruckner (between White Plains Road and Castle Hill Avenue), gives other areas of Bruckner Boulevard bus service for the first time (or the first time in many years if Bruckner ever had a bus service between Bronx River Avenue and White Plains Road).

 

Bx36 - Cut back to Grant 174th Street, replaced by Bx36 LTD in Manhattan rush hours and middays, normal other times.

 

Bx36 LTD - Service expanded to middays, rush hours, and early evenings. Replaces Bx36 in Washington Heights.

 

Bx39 - Late night service north of Gun Hill Road replaced by Bx41, new late night service begins south of Pelham Parkway running 50 minute headways.

 

Bx41 - Late night service extended to 241 St

 

With your Bx5A, the reasons why Bruckner Blvd between White Plains and Castle Hill don't have service are 1) traffic along the Bruckner service road and 2) demand for Stevenson High School, PS 138, and the nearby Castle Hill Houses.

Short turning Bx3's doesn't make sense at all to me.....

 

It would allow for the core of the Bx3's service to focus on its busiest corridor, which is from Kingsbridge Road to Morris Heights. But like I said, it would create more harm than good.