cotb16

Well I don't see the point in listing these changes without any sort of reason. I'm sure you have reasons for these changes. Rather than ask for reasons for all of them and be ridiculous, I'll pick the lines that run through my neighborhood... Bx10, Bx20 and Bx7... Why would you interline the Bx20 with the Bx7?? Wouldn't that be an overkill in service?? What about the folks that want the Bx20 to the train at 207th street?

 

The Bx20/7's interlining would provide a choice for riders north of 239th St to reach the and lines. Remember, it's only during the rush hours. This would prevent crowding on one of the bus routes in Northern Riverdale.

I forgot one change to the Bx7 and Bx20. It would run via 231st, Bailey, 225th, and Broadway to directly serve the 231st St station and bypass the traffic on Broadway.

And these changes are needed because????

 

Like the Brooklyn counterpart, I just felt an overhaul was needed. If you have your own, don't hesitate.

I'll copy/paste the ideas:

Bronx Bus Overhaul

Southwest Bronx

Bx6 and Bx13: interlined, both run under West Farms Depot

Combined Headways

Rush hrs: 3.5 mins (7 mins each)

Middays: 5 mins (10 mins each)

Evenings/Weekends: 6 mins (12 mins each)

Bx6: runs to Riverside Drive late nights to connect with at 157th Street

Bx13: extended east to Hunts Point Market

runs via Tiffany St to replace Barretto Point Park Shuttle

Route: 161 St, Elton Av, 163 St, Hunts Point Av, Lafayette Av, Tiffany St, Viele Av, Food Center Drive

Bx15 & Bx55: interlined, both run under West Farms Depot

Combined Headways

Rush hrs: 4 mins (8 mins each)

Middays and Weekends (during the day): 5 mins (10 mins each)

Bx15: runs between Fordham Plaza and 138th St/3rd Av station

5am-8pm weekdays, 8am-6pm weekends

use local Bx55 other times

no longer runs on Willis Avenue

Bx55: runs between Gun Hill Rd sta and 125th St/Lexington Av (4/5/6) sta

northbound via Madison Avenue Bridge

makes limited stops 5am-8pm weekdays, 8am-6pm weekends

runs local other times

Bx55 limited stops

Gun Hill/White Plains

Gun Hill/Webster

204 St

Bedford Park Blvd

Fordham Plaza/3 Av

183 St

180 St

Tremont Av

Claremont Pkwy

168 St

163 St

157 St

149 St

138 St/Morris-Lincoln Avs

125 St/Lexington Av

Bx11: runs between West Farms Rd/Southern Blvd and River Park Towers

replaces Bx18 in Morris Heights, use Bx13/35 for Washington Heights

Route: 168th St, 167th St, Sedgwick Av, Tremont Av, McCracken Av, Harlem River Park Bridge, Undercliff Av

Bx18: eliminated, use Bx11 for Morris Heights

North Bronx

Bx19: truncated to Westchester Av/Southern Blvd

use Bx9 for north of Westchester Av

Bx9: runs between Hunts Point Av sta and 225th St/Bway sta

replaces Bx19 north of Westchester Av

Use extended M100 for Broadway

Bx20: interlined with Bx7, extended north to 263rd St/Riverdale Av

Bx22: new western terminus is 225th St/Bway sta

use Bx28/30 for Goulden Av

Bx26: extended west to 262nd/Bway via Paul Av, Mosholu, Van Cort, Bway

allows faster connection between Riverdale and train

Bx28 & Bx38: merged into one route (bx28)

runs between Earhart Lane and 225th St/Bway sta via All sections

route: Mosholu Pkwy, Paul, Bedford Park, Goulden, Kingsbridge

use , Bx1/2, Bx16, Bx41/55 for Fordham

New Bx28 LTD runs rush hours only

Earhart Lane

Einstein Loop/Hutch Pkwy

Coop City Bl/Bartow Av

Bellamy Loop/Coop City Bl

Rombouts Av (serves Carver and Dreiser)

Donizetti Pl/Baychester Av (serves Truman HS)

Edson/Bartow Avs

Eastchester/Gun Hill Rds

Knapp St ( train station)

Boston Rd

Bronxwood Av

White Plains Rd

Webster Av

Montefiore Hospital/Bainbridge Av (e/b at 210 St, w/b at Gun Hill Rd)

206th St

West Mosholu Pkwy South/Paul Av

local to 225th/Bway

Bx30: runs from Earhart Lane to 231st/Bway

rerouted via 222nd St to fill crosstown gap and serve Edenwald Houses

use Bee-Lines for Boston Rd

route: Boston Rd, Grace Av, 229th St, Laconia Av, 222nd St, White Plains Rd, Gun Hill Rd, Bainbridge Av, Mosholu Pkwy, Sedgwick Av, Giles Pl, Heath av, Albany Crescent, Bailey Av, 231st St

Bx34: eliminated

use Bx10 for Woodlawn and Bx16 for Fordham

Bx10: new eastern terminus is 242nd/Katonah

Route changes east of Dickinson Av

route: Sedgwick, Mosholu, Paul, Bedford Park, Bainbridge, Jerome, 233, Katonah

Bx16: runs between Fordham Center and Ropes/Hollers Avs

via 233 St

use Bx23 for Nereid/Baychester

Bx23: runs between Pelham Bay Park and 233rd/Webster

via Sections 3-4-5

Route: Bronx Blvd, Nereid, Mundy, Pitman, Baychester, Boston, Conner, Co-op City Blvd, Asch, Bartow, Hutchinson, Hunter, Earhart, Erskine, bruckner

Q50: new northern terminus is Dyre Av station

runs local in The Bronx, serves Sec 1-2-4-5

Route: Bruckner, Erskine, Bx30 route to Boston Rd, then Dyre Av

Southeast Bronx

Bx5: truncated to Brush/Schley Avs

use Q50 for Bruckner Blvd

Bx24: rerouted via Waters Pl to serve Bronx Psychiatric and Hutch Metro Ctr

Route: Westchester, Waters, Bronx Psy Loop, Waters, Hutch Metro Loop, Waters, Eastchester, Williamsbridge, Tremont, Lane Av

Bx31: extended to Castle Hill/Zerega Avs to serve Unionport

Route: Lane Av, Commerce, Zerega

Bx27: eliminated

use Bx36 for Rosedale av and new Bx37 for 174th St, and bx4/4a for Westchester

Bx36: new eastern terminus is Clason’s Point

use Bx37 for 174th St

Route: 180th St, Rosedale/Taylor avs, 174th St, Rosedale, Randall, Soundview

Restructured Bx36 LTD service

(Bx36 Locals run between Cross Bronx/Univ Av and Clason’s Point)

local between Washington Heights and Tremont/Univ Avs

Tremont/University

Jerome Av

Grand Concourse (west side)

Grand Concourse (East side)

Tremont/Webster

180th St

3rd Av/180th St

Crotona Av

Southern Blvd

Boston Rd

Morris Park Av (180th St (2/5) station)

174th/Rosedale

Westchester

Story

Rosedale/Randall

local to Clason’s Point

Bx37: runs between Fordham plaza and Castle Hill/Zerega Avs

Route: 3rd Av, 184th St, Arthur Av, 182nd St, Boston Rd, Hoe/Vyse Avs, 174th St, Cross Bronx Exp, White Plains, Lacombe, Castle Hill

Interborough Routes

M100: extended to 262nd/Bway to replace Bx9 on Broadway

Influenced by its Brooklyn counterpart, I felt The Bronx's bus routes need a good ol' fashioned overhaul.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1alKKmCa3YNMgyz_MYsJxuZGOBetJb5kfbvYLHnMLXJk/edit

My reactions are as follows.....

 

B1- Disagree... never liked the idea of terminating buses on that part of shore road....

 

B2- I would do things differently, but ok.

 

B7- Yeah, the current route north of Church av has decent usage.... it's stint b/w coney island av & flatbush av is used as a supplement to the 82..... it's stint b/w church & flatbush is mainly used by schoolkids, otherwise ridership on this part of the route is just flat out bad......

 

B8- No problem with that.

 

B11- The problem is, buses get too caught up along 49th/50th sts... Just so happens that those 2 streets are where the school buses are routed also; and they make frequent stops along the way.....

 

B12/16- Disagree.... I say the MTA's setup w/ those 2 routes are justified; B16 (serves riders) south & west of the prospect park area, & the B12 east of it.... I wouldn't alter these 2 routes just to address that gap on empire.... The amt of riders that would benefit from the 12 shooting across empire IMO, would be less than the current amt. of riders on the 12 b/w utica & its eastern terminal..... Basically, the 12 wouldn't be *as* useful.....

 

Your 16 would snatch up the bulk of the riders.

 

B15/17- Disagree... don't underestimate the amt. of people that use the B15 b/w Bed Stuy & Brownsville

The route (15) is indirect, but that son of a gun works.... so I would leave that alone.....

 

B24 - I actually thought about that.... I know they're building up over around kent/wythe @ North 7th,8th, 9th, etc., but unfortunately, MTA would just scream redundancy to the B62.....

 

B30 - Then what becomes of the B83?

 

B31- As much as I don't care for Gerritsen Beach patrons, I wouldn't do that to them.....

 

B36- Another one of those old school ideas I never liked.... That route has its own problems.

 

B38/B46- Bad ideas.... Don't know what you are thinking with this one... I think this one is your most radical.... lol...

Seriously though, the Seneca branch gets MUCH more usage than the Met. av branch.... The B46 short turns don't exist b/c ppl. are xferring to B38's......

 

B41- Not happening.... there's no space for that.

 

B43- I'm 50/50 on this.... I don't like the idea of moving 43's off empire, but this would aid in the loss of service on NY av when the SBS B44's come about.....

 

B44- Sad part is, I think it's gonna eventually come to that.....

 

B45- well, subway ridership would increase, I can guarantee that....

 

I see this idea failing for one reason the old 71 failed - there is no cohesion b/w those areas on the opposing sides of flatbush av.... In plain english, the IKEA won't be enough of a ridership generator to justify sending 45's out there..... You would just have ppl. w/i crown hgts taking buses to flatbush av for the 41, or have ppl. w/i crown heights walking south of st. johns to catch the subway along eastern pkwy.....

 

B47- I don't necessarily agree w/ this (yes, I realize what you did w/ the 46), but it's not the worst idea in the world.... Guess the term is, I'm neutral on this one.....

 

B48- Yeh, at the very least, it should be sent back to Prospect park.... Walking about the area, you can feel the void; as if there's something missing..... My main purpose of having it branch out to Sunnyside was to give 7 day a week bus service b/w (that part of) Brooklyn & Queens....

 

B49- By itself, I disagree... I still don't like the idea of having buses pan along ocean where there's currently no service..... But if the MTA plans on removing the B49 off Bedford/Rogers (in lieu of B44 SBS'), having buses pan up Ocean might just have to be done to keep the route alive......

 

B51- Never liked the idea of sending the 51 south of downtown brooklyn.... I remember someone that wanted to extend it to Atlantic Terminal/Atlantic Mall.....

 

B57- I also thought about that..... Thing is, how would buses turnaround on the Queens end?

NB Q18's from its terminal have a hard enough time getting back to 65th pl.....

 

B64- Yeah, but the businesses are on Bath....

 

B65- One of those old school ideas that should have been happened already....

 

B82- Yes, agreed....

 

I forgot to mention replacing the B16 on 13/14th Avs will be the returning B23, which will run between VA Hospital and Downstate/Kings County Hospitals.

Route: Va, Poly, 14th, 13/14th, 36th/37th Sts, Dahill, Cortelyou Rd, Cortelyou/Beverley, New York, Clarkson

I'm gonna take a stab on a Brooklyn Bus Overhaul:

B1: extended to Shore Rd/86th St (as already mentioned)

B2: extended west to Coney Island to replace B82 west of Coney Island Av

weekend service restored

B4: runs between Knapp St in Sheepshead Bay and 86th St/4th Av

runs to Knapp St 6am-11pm weekdays and 8am-11pm weekends

B7: I agree with B35's idea on sending it to 80th St/Paerdegat Av

via Saratoga Av, Church Av, Remsen Av, Avenue L

B8: runs to Bay Ridge/95th St all times

B11: extended east to Bergen Beach

B12: rerouted via Empire Blvd west of Utica Av

new western terminus is Prospect Park (B/Q/S) station

use B16 and restored B23 for Kings County/Downstate Hospitals

B15 & B17: swap northern terminals

-B15: ends at Utica/Eastern

-B17: extended north to Woodhull Hospital via Lewis/Garvey

B16: runs between 4th Av/86th St and Eastern Pkwy/Utica Av

via 86th, Fort Hamilton, Caton, Bedford, Clarkson, Albany, Empire, Troy, Eastern, Utica

B24: I agree with prior proposal to truncating it as Greenpoint Av shuttle. However, it would be extended west to Williamsburg Bridge Plaza

route: Greenpoint Av, West St, Kent/Wythe Avs, Broadway

B30: new Penn Av thru-route running between Broadway Junction and Starrett City

B31: extended west to 4th Av/101st St

via Av P, 65th St, 7th Av, Bay Ridge Av, Shore Rd

B36: extended east to Kings Plaza via Av U

B38: all buses run to Metropolitan Av/Starr St

B46: rerouted to Catalpa/Seneca Avs to replace B38 Seneca branch, use B47 and (J/Z) for Broadway

B41: all buses run to Kings Plaza, use B11 for Bergen Beach

B43: new southern terminus is Brooklyn College

via Kingston/Throop, Rutland/Winthrop, New York Av, Av H

use B12 for Empire

B44: all northbound buses via Rogers Av

B45: this is my most radical idea, but it would run to Red Hook IKEA to replace B71 on Union St instead of Downtown Brooklyn

W/B B45 route: Sterling, 7th Av, Union, 3rd Av, 3rd St, Smith St, Sackett, Columbia, Van Brunt, Beard

E/B: Beard, Van Brunt, Columbia, Carroll, Court, Union, 7th Av, Park Pl, Bedford, St. John's

B47: extended west to Williamsburg Bridge Plaza to replace B46

B48: I agree with prior proposal of two branches running from Prospect Park (B/Q/S) station to either Sunnyside or Meeker Av

Sunnyside branch renamed B58

B49: runs to Prospect Park (B/Q/S) Sta via Ocean Av

B51: restored to run between City Hall and the Red Hook Ikea

replaces B57 on Smith/Court St

Route: Park Row, Lafayette/Bowery, Canal, Manhattan Bridge, Tillary, Jay, Fulton, Court/Smith, Lorraine, Otsego

B57: runs between Fulton Mall and 69th St/Grand Av

B64: I agree with prior proposal to run it between 86th/4th and Mermaid Loop. However, it would run via Cropsey instead of Bath Av since it is farther away from 86th St.

via 4th, 92nd, Poly Pl, VA hosp, Cropsey

B65: I agree with prior proposal to extend it east to Broadway Junction via St. Johns, ENY Av

B82: cut back to Coney Island av/Quentin Rd, as mentioned already

Any reactions?

....which is where the demand is anyway (bensonhurst, included).

 

Having the route go down that stretch of Neptune that it did, hardly did anyone justice..... b/w CI Hospital & shore blvd, sure you'd see ppl waiting for the sheepshead bound B4 - but these folks would be those coming off 68's.... Not having the route serve neptune anymore wasn't the problem, as much as it was the fact that it no longer served sheepshead bay (all times)..... Most the B4 usage b/w CI hosp. & shore blvd were of students - not grady or lincoln kids, but by that school over there across the street from the BM3 terminal, which is more sheepshead bay than it is brighton......

 

Had the route continued to serve sheepshead all times, I don't think you would have heard a peep out of brighton riders about some neptune avenue service.... I remember you sayin you used to live out there, so you know how minimal the demand for bus service was.... at the time I attended Grady, going & coming, I would notice the nuances of the B4 along neptune.... Never understood why the route was hardly utilized, until I came to some realizations.... It was all about the brighton (line), the WB B1 (heading towards CI hosp, etc), and the NB B68 (heading towards kings hwy, etc.)..... The B4 was an afterthought; large in part b/c the service was shit (for lack of a better term).....

 

I have to concur with you.... with the route having the service that it did, there was no reason to have continued service along neptune... It's a similar situation w/ the B7 up here - some routes simply don't serve people's needs - this is part of what's wrong w/ the network now; antiquated routings & the refusal of "modernizing" our routes....

The school is Bay Academy. Without the B4, they're only left with the B49, which would probably be packed with Kingsborough students by the time the bus gets to Bay Academy.

Bx45: LGA Airport to Lenox Terminal/148th St station

Route: Powell Blvd, Macombs Dam Bridge, 161st St, Melrose Av, 159th-160th Sts, 3rd Av, 138th St, Deegan Expwy, RFK Triboro Bridge, Astoria Blvd, 82nd St, LGA Airport

Makes all local stops between Lenox Terminal and 3rd Av/138th St station, then LTD stops to LGA Airport

LTD Stops

3rd Av/138th St station

31st St/Astoria Blvd station

Steinway St

49th St

82nd St

then all LGA terminals

Anyone remember the proposed Q94 Limited between Flushing and Fordham Plaza? It's a killer idea. But I heard [Don't know if it was true] it would follow the Bx9between West Farms Square and Fordham Plaza. I want it to travel like this:

 

Cross Bronx Expressway -> Tremont Av -> 3 Av

Via the Q44, then the Bx40/Bx42, then the Bx15/Bx55.

 

Stops In The Bronx:

 

Bruncker Blvd/Cross Bronx

Castle Hill Av/Cross Bronx

Hugh J. Grant Circle

White Plains Rd/Cross Bronx

West Farms Square

Tremont Av/Southern Blvd

Tremont Av/Crotona Av

Tremont Av/3 Av

3 Av/E 180 St

3 Av/E 183 St

Fordham Plaza

 

Someone like Cotb16 can tweak this list for me, I was using the Bronx Map ^^

How about having the Q94 run on East 182nd St to fill a crosstown gap between East 180th St and Fordham Rd. It can serve Aquinas HS, Little Italy, and St. Barnabas Hospital.

After White Plains Rd, it can stop at the following:

Rosedale/Cross Bronx

Tremont/Rosedale

Morris Park/180th St

Southern/182nd St

Crotona Av

3rd Av/184th St

Fordham Plaza

I have about 3 or 4 potential Select Bus service corridors.

1. Bx65 (Bronx to Upper Manhattan)

Pelham Bay Park to Riverside Dr-158 St

Stops

Pelham Bay Park/Bruckner Blvd

Country Club Rd

East Tremont Av

Castle Hill Av

White Plains Rd

Rosedale Av

Boynton Av

Southern Blvd/Hunts Point Av

Prospect Av/East 163rd St

3rd Av

Morris Av/East 161st St

River Av/Yankee Stadium (

St. Nicholas Av/West 155th St

Broadway/West 157th St

Riverside Drive West/West 158th St

2. B41 (Flatbush Av)

Rockaway Park to Union Square

Rockaway Beach Blvd/Beach 116th St

Beach 130th St/Beach Channel Drive

Jacob Riis Park

Floyd Bennett Field/Flatbush Av

Kings Plaza-Avenue U

Kings Highway

Nostrand Av

Church Av

Empire Blvd

Grand Army Plaza

Atlantic Av

Fulton St

Tillary St

Grand St/Bowery

East Houston St

East 14th St

The other two will come later on...

I would make a slight change to that:

Stops:

161 Street/Yankee Stadium

Melrose MNRR station

3 Av/Boston Rd/163 Street

Intervale Av

Hunts Point

Spofford Av/Halleck Street

Hunts Point Meat Market

Soundview Av/White Plains Road/O'Brien Av

Norton Av/Castle Hill Av (near Bx22 terminal)

Possible stop at Brush/Schley Av Google Map, featuring a park & ride

East Tremont Avenue/Cross Bronx Expressway/Dewey Avenue (featuring a Park & Ride)

Dean Avenue/Lafayette Avenue

City Island/Pilot Street

City Island/Fordham Street

I'm a little sketchy about having the line serve the Food Center and Clason's Point. I have it run on Lafayette Av since it serves more heavy residential areas (like the housing projects by Rosedale Av) and more popular places (like Stevenson and Msgr. Scanlan HS's).

As for the Melrose MNRR stop, my Morris Avenue stop's entrances would be at Park Av/161st St and Morris Av/161st St.

Another idea...maybe a line to City Island, or to {the area east of the line in the Bronx}.

Reading the map, the best option would be to extend the over there. It would split off the Concourse Line at Yankee Stadium, then run on 161st, 163rd, and Lafayette Avenues before terminating at City Island. It would serve portions of Soundview and Castle Hill and Throggs Neck that are south of the Bruckner Expressway as well as serving as a South Bronx crosstown line serving the Courts and Hunts Point.

Stops

Yankee Stadium

Morris Av/161st St (MNRR connection, serves the Courts)

3rd Av/163rd St (2nd av line)

Intervale Av

Hunts Point Av

Boynton Av/Lafayette Av

Rosedale Av (serves Monroe and other housing projects)

Bruckner Plaza

Castle Hill Av

Brush Av

Balcom Av

East Tremont Av-Throggs Neck

Dean Av

City Island

Your thoughts?