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❾ : West Harlem-12 Av to Randall's Island- Icaahn Stadium

 

Via: 125th St. Local

 

Randall's Is. Bound

 

• West Harlem-12 Av

 

•Broadway / ❶

 

•St. Nicholas Av/ ACBD

 

•Lenox Ave / ❷,❸

 

Lexington / 4,5, 6

Common suggestion that I think is worth looking into. Lump that with the being extended to Broadway/125th after SAS is done. I'd make it B division, solely because it would have an easy connection to the at 125th/Lex. If we want to go crazy, lump this idea with the Long Island segment of the Triboro RX and we might get some QBL relief

They don't put R62s on the in this G.O.

I did say it wasn't likely. The TA has been known to do all sorts of funny things during GOs.

Can R62As appear on the  this weekend> And also why the  is running Lexington Av local even though the  is running express?

The former using R62A's is a strong possibility, but I'm not sure why Downtown (5)'a will be running. My guess is probably to avoid delays with the .

R62s are another possibility, as Livonia will be the closest accessible yard to the . This certainly isn't likely, but we could see a set or two of R62s return to the this weekend, again because Livonia is right there and the will be extended all weekend.

On the express thing, good question. Doesn't really make sense. There's a GO on the northbound local sending everything express north of Grand Central, but the running local is a mystery. If there was a GO on the express track, everything would be sent local. Maybe they finally got the hint and put additional local service on the line?

Vancouver's el's only work because they're located within wide rights of way. I was thinking more of a traditional light rail or streetcar system.

 

That being said, any route using Chambers would probably have to be partially tunneled in between Chinatown and City Hall, due to the fact that Chambers St and East Broadway are not directly connected by any road.

Biggest problem with at-grade is that Chambers and the WSH are often gridlocked. Although, 14th and WSH have room for a track without really hurting traffic. I'd be for a street-level system if the public would approve. Center-city Toronto is similar in density to Lower Manhattan and their streetcars work fine.

Knowing New York's legal system, I doubt they've gotten rid of the law banning street-level catenary in Manhattan, so anything would have to be powered via a conduit, which is extremely inefficient and relatively dangerous, especially in a city with significant snowfall.

One of the alternatives for Second Avenue involved a light rail doing the jughandle around Alphabet City and then swinging down south.

 

For the LES and areas west of the , a light rail loop would be best, using, say, Chambers, West, 14th, Avenue B, and East Broadway.

Light rail would be great for that area. Not really enough to justify building a new line, but would certainly see high ridership. Low-cost solution to a growing commuter base. Could probably even elevate it on an eye-friendly structure a la Vancouver

The boom in residential growth along 10th Ave alone would justify the new line's existence. Population is up all along the far West Side; Hell's Kitchen, Midtown West, Chelsea, TriBeca and Greenwich Village. Once the Hudson Yards is finished, speculation along 11th Ave will turn into reality (or realty). The 8th Ave line won't be able to handle the new ridership in 20 years by its lonesome. This new 10th Ave line will serve a whole new revenue stream and ATST ease the overcrowding on the 7th Ave line below 14th St. If the planners and schemers of these kinds of projects can't come up with a solution for the landfill other than tunneling through bedrock for 1 1/2 - 2 miles, then do what needs be done because it -needs- to be done. And as for the 'other' subway lines, I'm assuming you're referring to Spaghetti City in lower Manhattan. I'm sure the folks who live on the west side of West St feel there are plenty of subway options to choose from, after they step out of that yellow cab.

 

I swear I didn't think just proposing a new line would turn so serious, but I can stand a good, constructive argument.; even if I am admittedly in over my head.

If they can't walk two blocks, boo hoo. Even Park Slope residents have to walk a few blocks to a subway station (and they don't have the option of taking a cab). Engineering would be a pain because of the high water table. I'm certainly for a 10th Avenue Line. Just don't know if you'd be able to get a few billion dollars to bring a subway station one block closer to a neighborhood that is already a short walk from most of the city's subway lines.

That was on a temporary basis with the current fleet. Once the 300 R179's (most in 4 car units) replace the 272 R32-42's and SAS opens, there won't be enough cars for a 600 foot C.

 

Again, the CBTC standard doesn't exist yet. The cars will be CBTC-ready, and once the standard is finalized, the cars can be equipped.

 

Yes, they also have to be divisible by 4.

 

What you apparently don't understand is that the MTA doesn't have an unlimited capital budget.

 

A very limited budget. Upstate is tightening the noose. Blame a lot of that on a former Buffalo mayor who convinced everyone that downstate is the enemy and only useful for the tax dollars sent up.

Chambers is a couple blocks above the WTC and right where the Battery Park City landfill begins. Liberty Street is south of WTC and to get there you'd have to get under West Street, which is outside the bathtub. Everything in BPC is built on pilings with subbasements extending down over 60 feet to bedrock. To avoid water issues, everything would have to be in the rock. It certainly is possible. I'm just saying that the benefits might not justify the cost, especially if half of the city's subway lines have stations within a couple of blocks

Next:

 

The President decides to come into town and do a round-trip ceremonial subway ride between 207th Street station in Manhattan and the Coney Island platform, making stops to campaign for elected officials along the way, all in the middle of PM rush hour because it's the only time he could do it.  Re-route as needed.

Wow. Wally has gone "Full Wally". This might be too crazy to warrant a response. I might have to drink a bottle of whiskey if I decide to play the drinking game.

But, since I'm bored, I'll do it:

1. No service along the north of 59th and south of there, including any parallel tracks.
2. service suspended where Obama's train runs on same/parallel tracks
3. Manny B closed
4. Senator Schumer's apartment building in Park Slope will be host to a protest of epic proportions, forcing him to launch a campaign to impeach Obama, as the millions of people unable to take the train will have swamped the streets of Park Slope
5. New Yorkers will be so ticked at Obama's apathy that a Democrat will never again win New York's electoral votes

There were two tracks each from the Williamsburg and Manhattan bridges. To the south, there was the tunnel and a planned connection to the Brooklyn Bridge. That should be justification for 4 or even more tracks.

I don't really get why there are 4 tracks north of the Manny B if 2 were rarely (if ever) used. Was the original plan to run everything from south of Chambers to Essex or beyond?

I'm no engineer and I don't pretend to know the lay of the land, but I'm sure with the right planning, techniques, equipment and knowledgeable people, it's possible to drop the 'un' from unfeasible. I believe it's doable. Seems not many others think so. The thread title says "Create Your Own Subway Route!" Well here it is.

Coming from an engineer, I'll tell you that, while possible, costs will be very high. We're talking at least 2-3 times the per-mile cost of SAS. You'd have to be deeper than PATH no matter how it is constructed. Everything would have to be built in a waterproof underground box not unlike the "bathtub" housing the WTC or in the bedrock underneath the landfill. Think Exchange Place and the Washington Heights stations are deep? This would be deeper if not in a bathtub. Then you'd have to build access shafts. Would a line further west be nice? Yep. But you'll never get it that far south while keeping it west of what currently exists. The is about as far west as a line can go south of Chambers.

i am sure you guys heard about the train wreck in Chicago. To my vision it seem that train got tired of being on the rail and decide to take the stairs. lol. I was thinking is it possible that the train can be like this as well at Flushing Main Street?  Maybe the at Grand Central as well?

Isn't Chicago mostly cab signalling and ATP? If there's a computer on the train, it can be overridden or disabled. I'd like to hear more about the state of the computer systems before making any judgements.

While this could theoretically happen in New York, it's very unlikely due to the presence of timers protecting nearly every stub-ended track outside of a yard. The final trip stop is located far enough from the end of track for a train to stop when traveling at the speed specified by the timers if it passes the final red signal. Trains crawl into stub terminals. One of the many reasons why the Flushing extension has long tail tracks. A train will be able to enter at speed and still be able to stop before the bumper block if tripped.

Still missing a direct connection to the , , , , , and . An to Chambers Street rather than just Essex Street is 4 times better in terms of reach.

Requires more trains to keep decent service levels

I highly doubt that, seeing as if CBTC is now being installed on the QBL soon,  Im 100% positive all new tech trains will come CBTC ready.

Contract does not specify CBTC. The R179s are effectively another option order of R160s (the ones NOT on the ). QBL resignalling hasn't even started yet. The R46s will probably be long gone by then...

They are probably going to pitkin yard.

What he said. There's a connection to Concourse Yard on the Jerome line and from there it's a pretty simple trip to the entire B division.

Need an R27/30 rollsign for that, and those are hard to come by whole.

If you want an incredibly overpriced snippet...

Now THAT is BS. Bastard mutilated the rollsign. Poor thing died without glory.

R62 on the and -- my very last roundtrip on the to South Ferry Terminal a week before the hurricane was with a Kawasaki R62

Isn't there a set assigned to the ?

I just see it causing confusion. One could just as easily make the and run on weekends to eliminate the 53rd Street issue.

You'd run into issues at the 34th Street interlocking as the would have to switch between the express and local tracks. A few times over the past couple weeks, people with the have posted that personnel assigned to a route get paid even if a GO suspends service. That's the reason why the stopped running to Forest Hills- it rarely went there due to construction but the extra crews still got paid. Hence why 6th Avenue only operates with 2 services on weekends. Annoying, yes, but either 6th or 8th always has something going on and it allows them to reroute trains without suspending services and wasting money.

I wonder why the R46s that the uses doesn't overheat the is completely underground and the only sees about 2 or three sets normally. Well this was the case before the line splitting. I remember sometimes the ran no R46s at all.

You're comparing a 30+ year old train to a 50+year old train. Apples to oranges. The R46s are 36-39 years old and the R32s are 49-50 years old.

That and the is busier than the , so it needs the extra doors and standing room. Hopefully, nothing else will ever run as long as the R32s.

Kind of sucks that the last time the and got any new equipment was back in the 1970's when the R44s and R46s arrived. I wonder as many times as the MTA fixed up the R32's in its later years would all that money add up to the point where they could have replaced them already? I hear a lot of people as well as my friend use this logic when it comes to electronics and cars. The more money you spend fixing somethimg you could have already brought yourself a new one already. So could that logic also work in terms of ordering and replacing trains and buses?

Rolling stock purchases are one-and-done while SMS and overhauls are ongoing. In the long run, you might spend more doing the latter, but the (unfortunately) only gets a certain amount of funding at a time. It's like the difference between buying and renting a house. After a while, you'll have spent more by renting, but there isn't the large up-front cost.

No matter where you send the 5 car sets, they gonna be oddballs. Unless you stick it with a 4 car set and have some 9 car train running around

Maybe that's how they are going to make consists longer. You never know with the .

They'll send them where they send them and they'll figure something out. I'd put them at 207th so some 46s can get back to Jamaica in advance of Broadway needing more NTTs for SAS and (possibly) service.

Any station served only by the has relatively low ridership. There isn't a need for more local service on the 4th Avenue line in Brooklyn.

North of 36th could use it, especially on weekends when the runs irregularly. Service at 9th Street, a major transfer point, is miserable. Of course, that could be fixed by sending the local on weekends (which would also shut up Brighton riders wanting an easy ride to 6th Avenue, as a same-platform transfer would be available).

Pardon me if anyone mentioned it but after Montague reopens i would send the down to 95th during the service hours of lower Nassau(5am Mon-1am Sat)

Nassau St-4th Avenue service has been pitched in various ways. Whether it's though sending the J to 95 St or 9 Av or bringing back the Nassau M, the answer has pretty much been the same. The ridership for such a service just isn't there. Most riders on the 4th Avenue local want Broadway service.

You beat me to it. I'll add that 95th can't take another service unless the faces large cuts. As it is, both tracks are usually filled by a train. A train pulls out and another one fills that same track within a couple of minutes.

All at once...

A train derails at 14th St making all of the 8th Ave Line unusable there, while simultaneously, Rutgers is flooding, and there's a stalled train switching between the manhattan bridge northbound tracks. (This means only the Dekalb local track can be used, and ONLY to 6th Ave)

Go

Oh, boy. I'll assume that Montague is back open:

Runs via 6th Avenue from W4 to 59th, local except on 6th Avenue

Suspended

Suspended

All local except on 6th Avenue

Via 6th Avenue

Via Cranberry

Suspended north/west of Essex, runs to Chambers Street.

Via tunnel, local

Via tunnel, local

If Montague closed, suspend the between 36th and Whitehall and the north of Court Street.

Expect severe delays on all lines

How is CWR currently gotten into the IRT system?

They probably just weld together shorter pieces on site. Longer rails means less on-site welding and shorter installation times.