BM5 via Woodhaven

There was a collision Monday between a BxM6 bus and a lift:

https://abc7ny.com/nyc-construction-lift-strikes-mta-bus-accident-police/13650035/

5 hours ago, Ex696 said:

Why did the B39's ridership fall off so drastically?

 

The B39 wasn't running during overnight hours in 2022 like it did for the first half of 2021. 

Several somewhat interesting stuff. As many pointed out, the large drops in The Bronx and even on Staten Island are likely due to farebeating. Other routes may have been affected by the Bronx bus redistribution redesign, such as the Bx18 and Bx30 so we have no idea what it is actually like. Plus with the Bx30, Bee-Line's free fare promotions have also been taking away ridership. The Q70 also suffered a drop, likely because they stopped counting once the route became free.

We now have one route in the entire system that made a net gain in ridership compared to pre-pandemic (2019 in this case): the BxM4. Annual ridership is 2.49% higher than what it was in 2019 (ridership is up 0.44% on weekdays, and 2.56% on weekends). The nearest route to 100% of 2019 annual ridership is the BxM6 at 98.6%.

Below are some more stats:

Local Buses

When accounting across all metrics (weekday, weekend, annual), Queens leads the way in terms of recovery, followed by Manhattan, Brooklyn, Staten Island, and The Bronx. Here's how counted annual borough-wide recovery looks like with MTA Bus Company and NYC Transit routes together:

• Queens: 68.65%
• Manhattan: 63.25%
• Brooklyn: 62.85%
• Staten Island: 57.16%
• The Bronx: 53.03%

The bus routes with the highest increases in ridership from 2021 are routes which go through Midtown, primarily operate in Southern Brooklyn, and buses operating in Northeast Queens between Northern and Hillside Avenues. That swath of NE Queens routes saw some of the biggest jumps in ridership in the entire city. 

Most bus routes have recovered anywhere from 50-70%. Some routes have counts indicating less than 50% of 2019 levels, while some others have over 70% (most of which are MTA Bus Company routes). The top 3 routes in terms of annual recovery compared to 2019 levels are:

• M12 - 96.42%
• Q18 - 82.46%
• M11 - 80.09%

Excluding the Q70, below are routes which had counted below 50% of pre-pandemic levels on.....

Weekdays (13 Routes)*^

• Bx5 (47.51%), Bx6 (48.34%), Bx20 (49.9%), Bx27 (49.64%), Bx29 (45.16%), Bx30 (43.11%), Bx41 (47.29%), M8 (45.57%), M14 SBS (46.80%) M35 (19.92%), S40/90 (46.83%), S42 (41.46%), S52 (48/81%)

Weekends (13 Routes)*^

• B46 (49.44%), Bx5 (48.13%), Bx6 (48.84%), Bx12 (49.26%), Bx27 (48.39%), Bx29 (45.59%), Bx32 (49.04%), Bx33 (47.34%), Bx41 (44.25%), M14 SBS (39.55%), M35 (25.30%), M60 SBS (48.82%), S40/90 (45.81%), S52 (49.53%)

Annual (12 Routes) *^

• Bx5 (47.62%), Bx6 (48.41%), Bx20 (49.89%), Bx27 (49.43%), Bx29 (45.27%), Bx41 (46.60%), M8 (46.24%), M14 SBS (45.10%), M35 (21.23%), S40/90 (46.61%), S42 (41.43%), S52 (48.94%)

* = The Bx26 alone for 2022 saw a dip, however when combined with the Bx25 numbers was over 50% and not included (also due to changes in 2022)

^ = Does not factor Bx15, Bx30, Bx36, Bx40/42 due to significant route change in 2022 and/or changes heavily impacting potential ridership, which all made 50% below

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Here's a list of routes which saw over 70% of 2019 ridership levels, in 2022:

70-80%*:

• B57, B68, Bx23, M2, M31, M42, M57, M98, M103, Q3, Q5, Q8, Q15, Q20, Q23, Q24, Q25, Q28, Q29, Q31, Q36, Q39, Q47, Q49, Q54, Q55, Q56, Q58, Q59, Q60, Q65, Q66, Q67, Q72, Q76, Q77, Q88, Q103, Q104, Q110

80-90%

• M11, Q19

90%-100%

• M12

* = Does not include Bx18 because of significant route and frequency changes in 2022

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The top three local routes in each borough to see annual increases in 2022 are as follows:

Bronx* - Bx20 (18.4%), Bx24 (7.2%), Bx10 (7.1%)

Brooklyn - B32 (38.1%), B70 (32.2%), B31 (31.2%) 

Manhattan - M12 (60.2%), M50 (42.9%), M1 (39.3%)

Queens - Q26 (54.9%), Q30 (46.6%), Q31 (45.8%)

Staten Island S93 (47.8%), S89 (20.4%), S66 (13.0%)

* = Does not include the Bx18 due to significant route and frequency changes 

The top three local routes in each borough to see annual increases in 2022 are as follows:

Bronx* - Bx41 (-16.9%), Bx39 (-13.0%), Bx19 (-10.8%)

Brooklyn^ - B46 (-2.7%), B47 (-1.6%), B12 (-1.4%) 

Manhattan* - M35 (-17.8%)

Queens* ' - Q22 (-7.8%)

Staten Island S93 (47.8%), S89 (20.4%), S66 (13.0%)

* Does not include Bx15, Bx26, Bx29, Bx30, M100, Q50 reductions because they received significant route changes, or had changes which had notable impacts to ridership

^ = Does not include the B42 (-5.1%) because riders are not counted boarding from Canarsie - Rockaway Parkway  station

' = Does not include Q70 SBS loss because it became free

Express Buses

In terms of annual bus ridership across the system (NYCT + MTABC), here are the top ten express bus routes:

• SIM1/1C
• SIM4/4C
• BxM7
• X27/37
• X28/38
• SIM33
• SIM3
• BxM9
• BxM8
• BxM10

Most annual express bus ridership in 2022 was 70% of pre-pandemic (2019) levels or higher. The network as a whole (NYCT + MTA Bus) saw 70.39% of 2019 levels. However some were below that threshold, including a few below 50%. Below are routes which were under 70%:

<50%

• SIM5, SIM9, SIM32

50-60%

• QM1/31, QM2/32, QM8, QM24/34, QM25, SIM2, SIM4, SIM6, SIM7, SIM8, SIM15, SIM25, SIM26, SIM31, SIM34, SIM35

60-70%

• QM6, QM7, QM16, QM20, SIM1, SIM10, SIM11, SIM30, X68

And also below are the select few routes which saw 90% or greater:

• BM2, BxM3, BxM4, BxM6, BxM8

The top five routes in each borough to see annual increases in 2022 are as follows:

• QM11 (91.9%), QM7 (91.2%), QM25 (89.6%), QM8 (80.6%), SIM9 (76.3%) 

The biggest increases in ridership were the downtown routes, with several routes seeing an 80% increase in ridership from 2021. Not one express route lost ridership in 2022.

Weekend ridership has not only rebounded, but for several routes it is even higher than pre-pandemic levels. This may be in part due to the fear and sentiment surrounding subway crime, coupled with ever-lasting track work and outages. The routes listed below have weekend ridership higher than what it was pre-pandemic:

• BM1 (106.24%)
• BM3 (121.06%)
• BM4 (118.30%)
• BxM4 (117.20%)
• BxM6 (102.56%)
• X27 (102.28%)
• X28 (126.23%)

In addition, the BM2, BM5, BxM3, BxM10, QM4, QM15, and SIM33C all have weekend ridership numbers between 95% and 100% of pre-pandemic levels.

So does this mean that trains basically go back into Manhattan out of service?

Part Suspended

No train service between Queensboro Plaza and Astoria-Ditmars Blvd in both directions while we address a signal problem at Astoria-Ditmars Blvd.

Consider nearby trains for alternate service between Manhattan and Queens.

Consider Q69, Q100, or Q101 buses between Queensboro Plaza and Astoria Blvd.

Planned work reminders:

runs between Whitehall St-South Ferry and 57 St-7 Av then via line to 96 St.

Manhattan-bound platform at Queensboro Plaza is closed.

Posted: 08/10/2023 09:54 AM

Also:

Trains Rerouted

Jamaica Center-Parsons/Archer-bound and Forest Hills-71 Av-bound trains are delayed while we address a signal problem at Court Sq-23 St.

Some Forest Hills-bound trains are running on the line from 47-50 Sts-Rockefeller Ctr to 36 St.

You may wait longer for a northbound ‌(F) train as they share tracks with these rerouted trains.

Posted: 08/10/2023 08:55 AM

Similar to the recent late evening suspensions to/from Grand Central, there will be significantly reduced service in/out of Grand Central the next two weekends (Friday night to Monday Morning). 

Special Schedule

Special schedules are in effect on all LIRR branches with reduced service to and from Grand Central

Aug 11 - 14 and Aug 18 - 21, Fri 10:45 PM to Mon 2:00 AM

Huntington and Port Washington Branch trains run to and from Penn Station.

Hempstead Branch trains run to and from Atlantic Terminal.

West Hempstead Branch trains run between Jamaica and West Hempstead only.

Grand Central service is still available on the Babylon, Long Beach, and Ronkonkoma Branches, with revised departure times. Transfer at Jamaica for service between all other branches and Grand Central, or consider using Penn Station instead.

There are some exceptions during the late-evening and early-morning hours. No matter where or when you ride, use the TrainTime app to check for changes to departure times and transfer options on these weekends.

What's happening?

Maintenance work

Posted: 07/27/2023 01:36 PM

There will only be three trains per hour: one Babylon, one Ronkonkoma, and one Long Beach train. Also not mentioned, is that West Hempstead Branch service will skip Saint Albans. The Babylon Branch local trains to/from Penn Station will stop at Saint Albans instead. 

and trains putting in that work tonight.

Part Suspended

No southbound train service between 14 St and Lower Manhattan/Brooklyn until at least 9:35pm.

What's Happening?

Emergency teams are responding to a person who was struck by a train at Houston St.

Updates:

Southbound trains are running via the between 149 St-Grand Concourse and Nevins St.

The last stop on southbound trains is 14 St.

Northbound trains are running with delays.

Expect delays in train service in both directions.

Listen for announcements to hear how your train will operate.

Alternatives:

Transfer at Times Sq-42 St to an train to Lower Manhattan and/or Brooklyn.

At Fulton St, consider nearby trains to Brooklyn.

Posted: 08/02/2023 09:04 PM

Part Suspended

No service between Broadway Junction and Canarsie-Rockaway Pkwy.

Take the B60 bus making nearby stops.

What's Happening?

trains are delayed in both directions while we request NYPD assistance with an unauthorized person on the tracks at New Lots Av.

Updates & Alternatives:

The last stop on Canarsie-bound trains is Broadway Junction or Myrtle-Wyckoff Avs.

Listen for announcements to hear how your train will operate.

Take the or train at Broadway Junction for service between Brooklyn and Manhattan.

Posted: 08/02/2023 08:26 PM

LIRR service from Grand Central will be suspended after 11 PM tonight and tomorrow. The last Branch trains to Grand Central will be departing their terminals starting from 8 PM. All trains will be running to/from Penn Station. 

Planned - Part Suspended

No LIRR service to or from Grand Central

Tue and Wed Aug 1 - 2, starting at 10 PM westbound / 11 PM eastbound until 2 AM

The last westbound trains to Grand Central are the 8:56 PM from Ronkonkoma (departing Jamaica at 9:55 PM) and the 9:40 PM from Port Washington.

The last eastbound train from Grand Central is the 10:46 PM departure to Huntington.

While the terminal is closed, all trains that normally run to and from Grand Central to will be rerouted to serve Penn Station.

LIRR tickets will be accepted on the subway at 34 St-Penn Station and 42 St-Grand Central.

What's happening?

Necessary Switch Work

Posted: 08/01/2023 07:57 PM

Joined yesterday at 12:10 PM but posted yesterday at 12:09 PM... interesting.

21 hours ago, BrooklynBus said:

If they wanted to remove bus stops, they needed to establish a parallel route a few blocks away. Now some have to walk as much as 3/4 to access the route , when the guidelines call for a 1/4 walk. There is a reason why stops were previously only two blocks apart. 

They should have revised the stops instead, a parallel route wouldn't have been much better since it misses Northern, which is where everything's at. To the south, 34th Avenue isn't even a feasible route anymore with the pedestrian spaces they now put in along with other road diet measures. 

21 hours ago, B35 via Church said:

...and I'm of the belief that the continued running of it to QBP has quite a bit to do with that underserving.

Should've just kept those stops along Northern & truncated the thing to run b/w Northern Blvd & Flushing.... Something else should be covering 35th.... The connection to 21st st. subway from points east, simply doesn't have near the same importance nowadays, as it did back when they extended the Q66 to QBP in the late 80's (or whenever that subway station opened).... Nowadays, for the most part, the Q66 is just another bus along 21st.... Those Jackson Hgts. patrons bombard the shit out of the route & the way I see it, they're being penalized because they continue to have trips running to QBP....

As far as 21st Street, it can be hit or miss. However I would say that I agree with the proposed running west of Broadway and (still to QBP), because it still carries to the immediate west. There's definitely a lot more ridership east of Broadway, but west of that they're aren't exactly empty, in many cases you can find close to SRO buses and even packed buses. Primarily Steinway, 43rd, and 48th Streets due to the shopping centers and other commercial areas nearby. I would still have the short turns though. Many people getting on at QBP also don't really get off until well after the bus has turned off 21st Street and even 35th Avenue so the new routing is a boon in that instance. 

For Steinway Street though, I wonder if the bulk of people currently taking the Q66 are actually walking down to 35th Avenue or if they're coming from that general area. If it's the former then that new route will be more inconvenient for those people, but I definitely think the case can be made for having the Q66 until at the very least Steinway Street. 

As far as QBP down to the Hunters Point South ferry, that I'm mixed on because while there's nothing on Jackson Avenue and I wouldn't want some infrequent route like the Q105 to cover that, IDK if the Q66 is the right route for that. 

20 hours ago, B35 via Church said:

Wait, who said the proposed Q63 should be cut back to Woodside? That would just have it running back & forth along Broadway b/w Northern & QB all day..... I get that there's that gap on that part of Broadway, but that would still be wasteful to have the whole route doing that....

I know that this is not the implication by anyone here, though if you want to make such a route useful, merging it with the proposed Q80 would do wonders. You get the bulk of Middle Village and Glendale residents who got cut off from the train and Jackson Heights because of what they did with the Q29 and Q47 (SMFH), and they'll fill up the buses on Broadway.

With the construction going on around 69th Street and Queens Boulevard which has 69th be a two lane street along with the abysmal signalization that was not changed, it'll be about the same time via Broadway if not less. Plus, Broadway has a bunch of commercial areas that are not easy to get to (of which people in that area to some extent go), and Elmhurst Hospital. 

Prior to the making local stops between Queensboro Plaza and 74th Street, I would sometimes transfer to the Q18 at 69th Street & Garfield Avenue and take that to Woodside, which usually got me there faster than if I stayed on the Q47 to 69th Street. Would be able to catch an earlier express than I normally used to as well, which saved me time. It was that slow on 69th. Given that it's the summer time now and all trains are stopping at 69th, I just stay on to 69th Street. But when it's fall again and school is back, that's going to suck. I know a lot of people are probably not too happy with the express change, but it's been a godsend for me. No longer just missing the local train and having to wait 10 minutes in the afternoon as well. 

2 hours ago, lornaevo said:

As a former Q66 operator, those stop removal helped alot. 

9 minutes ago, BrooklynBus said:

Helped the operators, but it the passengers. 

Part of it is because they get away with underserving the Q66. There's a lot of activity at every stop because it's a major corridor, and it has a lot of commercial areas. I think that headways should be increased during the day. During the rush not only should there be more service, but that there should also be an LTD variant. That, along with the bus lanes (and proper enforcement) would have been more helpful than just seemingly eliminating every other stops, making certain transfers more inconvenient. 

LGA was loaning buses to College Point for several weeks. There was a mix of New Flyer Xcelsior XD40s and Orion VII NG Hybrids. Below is a ride of an NG on the Q66, as well as a loan on the Q38 and some more stuff from the recent past.

2010 Orion VII NG Hybrid 4209 on the Q66 at Queens Plaza South & 28th Street by BM5 Photos 2022-2023, on Flickr

2017 Nova Bus LFSA 5473 on the Bx5 at Southern Boulevard & Westchester Avenue by BM5 Photos 2022-2023, on Flickr

2018 New Flyer XD40 7596 on the M22 at Delaney Street & Lewis Street by BM5 Photos 2022-2023, on Flickr

2016 New Flyer XD60 5389 on the Q110 at Hilliside Avenue & 180th Street by BM5 Photos 2022-2023, on Flickr

2022 New Flyer XDE40 9472 on the M1 at 5th Avenue & East 109th Street by BM5 Photos 2022-2023, on Flickr

2017 New Flyer XD60 6080 (SBS Schemed) on the Q111 at Parsons Boulevard & Hillside Avenuee by BM5 Photos 2022-2023, on Flickr

2019 New Flyer XD60 6223 (SBS Schemed) on the M125 at Third Avenue & East 149th Street by BM5 Photos 2022-2023, on Flickr

2021 New Flyer XDE40 9592 on the M98 at West 178th Street & Broadway by BM5 Photos 2022-2023, on Flickr

2017 New Flyer XD60 6080 (SBS Schemed) on the Q111 at Guy R. Brewer Boulevard & 145th Drive by BM5 Photos 2022-2023, on Flickr

2011 New Flyer C40LF 280 on the Bx11 at West 170th Street & Plaza Drive by BM5 Photos 2022-2023, on Flickr

2017 New Flyer XD60 6080 (SBS Schemed) on the Q111 at Parsons Boulevard & Jamaica Avenue by BM5 Photos 2022-2023, on Flickr

2018 Nova Bus LFSA 5548 (SBS Schemed) on the Bx42 at East 180th Street & Morris Park Avenue by BM5 Photos 2022-2023, on Flickr

2 hours ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

Metro North New Haven Line service suspended south of Mount Vernon East because a girder on a Bronx River Parkway overpass buckling. Harlem Line service is suspended between Wakefield and Williams Bridge, with limited hourly service.

https://abc7ny.com/metro-north-suspension-bronx-nyc-travel/13533550/

Update:

It now says that Harlem Line service is suspended through The Bronx, indicating a suspension of service north of Williams Bridge. This is different from the language mentioned in the New Haven Line alert, which says that service is suspended in The Bronx.

Harlem Line Shuttle from GCT - Williams Bridge:

• Departing GCT @ :42 past the hour
• Departing Williams Bridge @ :34 past the hour

New Haven Line service is operating hourly between Mount Vernon East and New Haven, all stops. 

UPDATE (~3:00 PM)

Hourly service apparently has resumed, and full service is anticipated to start at 4:00 PM.

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Long Beach Branch service is now suspended

Part Suspended

The Long Beach Branch is suspended in both directions east of Valley Stream due to fire department activity near Centre Avenue.

NICE bus is cross-honoring LIRR fares via the N15 bus. // For service between Long Beach and Rockville Centre on the Babylon Branch, check NICE bus status here: https://www.nicebus.com/Tools/Maps-and-Schedules/Line?route

Westbound:

The 5:52pm train from Long Beach due Grand Central at 6:46pm will originate out of Valley Stream at approximately 3:12pm.

The 1:52pm train from Long Beach due Grand Central at 2:46pm is canceled.

Eastbound:

The 1:52pm train from Grand Central due Long Beach at 2:46pm will terminate at Valley Stream.

Posted: 07/22/2023 02:33 PM

Update: Long Beach Branch service is restored. 

Some Delays

The Long Beach Branch service has been restored in both directions east of Valley Stream following earlier fire department activity near Centre Avenue.

Customers can anticipate some delays as trains operate at a restricted speed between Oceanside and East Rockaway.

Westbound:

The 2:52pm train from Long Beach due Grand Central at 3:46pm is reinstated and will operate as scheduled.

The 1:52pm train from Long Beach due Grand Central at 2:46pm is canceled.

Eastbound:

The 1:52pm train from Grand Central due Long Beach at 2:46pm is reinstated at Valley Stream and is operating 20-25 minutes late.

Posted: 07/22/2023 02:47 PM

Metro North New Haven Line service suspended south of Mount Vernon East because a girder on a Bronx River Parkway overpass buckling. Harlem Line service is suspended between Wakefield and Williams Bridge, with limited hourly service.

https://abc7ny.com/metro-north-suspension-bronx-nyc-travel/13533550/

22 hours ago, Lil 57 said:

The S40/90 duplicates the S44/94 from the ferry to Richmond Terrace/Lafayette Ave.

The S44/94 also duplicates the S59 from the Port Richmond area to the Staten Island Mall.

The S61/91 duplicates the S62/92 from the ferry to Victory/Bradley.

But given how the  didn’t follow that guideline for the Q4 who knows?

The S53 would’ve been your best bet given that it doesn’t really duplicate any routes plus is one of the highest ridership routes in the borough. 

6 hours ago, Mtatransit said:

The MTA gets what 15 million no matter what. Why would they shoot themselves by choosing the busiest?

In fact if it were up to me I'll choose the least busiest, like the Bx24 or something

From the routes chosen, it's evident that the MTA chose routes that predominantly serve lower-income neighborhoods. The least busiest routes (speaking about riders per trip and to some extent, sheer ridership) tend to be in more wealthier areas, like the Bx24. However they also didn't want to pick routes that tend to carry or serve too many areas. 

If they followed that, I guess they could have gone with the Q83 for the Queens route since there's less overlap, but I have no idea what their rationale is. They tend to use any type of argument, which can often conflict with previously made ones, as long as it supports whatever decision they're making. 

31 minutes ago, N6 Limited said:

Some opposition to the redesigns are disheartening. Keep in mind that some of these new routings:

• Allow trips not currently possible without major backtracking.
• Provide alternative routings between various areas, in case of service disruption, subway disruptions/outages/planned service changes, or just options if a bus is missed etc. Especially bypassing congested areas.
• Open up new trips for existing riders & new riders.
• Makes it easier to connect to various NICE routes, LIRR stations, crosstown Queens service and Brooklyn routes.

They also eliminate existing trips that a lot of people use and need, while simultaneously shoving people onto the subway. Like in Middle Village with the vast majority of bus service to LIC and Jackson Heights being eliminated. That would require people to have to take a bus to the or trains for Jackson Heights, or the if going to Long Island City which would be a backtrack and make trips both longer than they currently are, AND indirect. 

Just because those things might be true, does not mean that they'll be as utilized (on a regular, consistent basis) as some of the stuff they're cutting from the existing system. While there are people who will complain about any changes, a lot of the gripe surrounding the proposed changes aren't without merit. 

6 minutes ago, Cait Sith said:

Curious...11:23 Far Rockaway train?

It was the 11:08 to Huntington. 

13 minutes ago, Cait Sith said:

Update on the weekend accommodations with the E line, got on without a problem. C/R saw my screen with the G.O and literally said "E train rider? You're good to go".

I took a train about two hours ago and the conductor was about to make me buy a ticket until I showed her the description on the service alert page and read it off my phone. There's apparently some who still have no idea at all. 

Some more specific information regarding the changes are here:

https://new.mta.info/press-release/mta-long-island-rail-road-announces-fall-timetable-schedule-changes-effective-tuesday

LOL, so restoring direct service to Brooklyn on the Long Beach Branch means only getting one AM trip. Also, in a lot of cases they're still simply dicking around with the departures. Now you'll have a bunch of inconsistent service patterns. 

The Ronkonkoma Branch out of Grand Central will have a 90 minute gap in the early PM rush / shoulder period. With respect to the PM trip changes, the one I agree with is the 4:22 PM trip switch to Penn. The way they scheduled that train is dumb. It currently leaves 3 minutes before the next Ronkonkoma Branch train out of Grand Central (4:25 PM to Ronkonkoma) but it gets to Hicksville, Bethpage, and Farmingdale 2-3 minutes AFTER the 4:25 PM train because it stops in Mineola. They should switch up the 4:22 PM train to Penn and make it leave a little earlier to be in-between the 4:01 and 4:34 PM trips. The current 4:09 PM trip from Grand Central could have been moved up instead to maintain a 60 minute headway from the previous train, and to space it out from the 4:25 PM trip. 

Ultimately though they actually need to revise the service patterns instead of just switching trips here and there (this goes for all branches). In the PM rush, Ronkonkoma Branch trains from Grand Central should for the most part be roughly every 30 minutes, and stop at Jamaica, Mineola and/or Hicksville, then all branch stops to Ronkonkoma. That would still be a decent enough frequency, and trains that are freed up can be used to reallocate to service on the branch from Penn Station. There's no need for all these super express trips they're getting. Ironically though the only rush hour Ronkonkoma Branch trip from Grand Central that seems to be fairly loaded or packed is that 5:39 PM super express trip. Perhaps that one can be kept. Any super expresses should be ultimately starting from Penn, where there is more demand. Below is something that I had in mind (times are approximate)

Also interesting that Babylon Branch service to/from Grand Central actually gets an increase with that former Atlantic Terminal trip being rerouted. Would have thought that they would just discontinue the thing. 

8 hours ago, Bill from Maspeth said:

The folks in my neighborhood and those who are represented by City Councilman Bob Holden will not be satisfied with "a few minor changes".  There had better be BIG changes from the final draft because anything else will be fought by him and other City Council reps.  Routes from the former privates are being disseminated and this will not be acceptable!

They literally cut all the buses headed directly to Jackson Heights throughout most of my neighborhood now you have to go to either 69th Street or Woodhaven Boulevard for a bus. Absolutely ridiculous and infuriating. They have the Q80 for 80th Street backtracking to Queens Center Mall after Grand Avenue , while hitting other routes going to QCM in the process. Grand Avenue has the Q59 AND Q98 going to QCM, so why have a third bus doing the exact same thing? Meanwhile you have the Q63 ending at Grand Avenue coming from Jackson Heights and LIC smh. Grand Avenue is a stub and the Q52 and Q53 are also proposed to cover Broadway. 

Honestly, I have my doubts about Holden doing much of anything. Besides from his opposition to the very first draft which was an obvious position, dude doesn't have the best record when it comes to transit related stuff (either dormant, or actively against stuff like the various bus lanes in the area). I'd like to be wrong (because of what's at stake) in the Maspeth/Middle Village area, but I'm not holding my breath. 

train service is suspended entirely, and service is suspended between Manhattan and Brooklyn. 

Suspended

No train service between Flushing-Main St and 34 St-Hudson Yards in both directions while FDNY responds to a report of smoke at 74 St-Broadway.

Travel Alternatives:

From service between Queens and Manhattan consider using the trains.

Posted: 07/07/2023 04:27 PM

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Part Suspended

service is severely disrupted in both directions.

No between Marcy Av and Broad St.

No between Myrtle Av and 2 Av.

Emergency teams are responding to someone who was struck by a train at Delancey St-Essex St.

The last stop on Broad St-bound trains will be Marcy Av where they will turn for Jamaica Center-Parsons/Archer-bound service.

The last stop on Forest Hills-71 Av-bound trains will be Myrtle Av where they will turn for Middle Village-Metropolitan Av-bound service.

The last stop on Middle Village-Metropolitan Av-bound trains will be 2 Av on the line.

Travel Alternatives

As an alternative for service between Brooklyn and Manhattan, consider trains.

Posted: 07/07/2023 04:41 PM

34 minutes ago, B35 via Church said:

Wait a minute..... How far after January 2023 were #67x's still running?

They stopped running them in January. My question was that one that I raised in the beginning of this thread, considering that they kept saying noting Seaside Heights as seasonal only on subsequent timetables (which was only served by the X trips on the 67). Was wondering if they really discontinued it for good or whether they were just gonna have it for the summer. 

On 5/29/2023 at 5:37 AM, B35 via Church said:

I've been thinking about this throughout the past week on the drives in to/from work..... What it is, is that whether we're talking about the [#107 taking away from the #101] or the [#42 taking away from the #101], something just hit me - and I think it's something we've all been taking for granted (or otherwise overlooking) with the high hopes we have for the #101.... The question is simply, does the proposed #101 really need to go to New Roc' ? - More specifically, how strong is the demand for New Roc' from SW Yonkers from areas south of Getty Sq.....

I mean, (downtown) Yonkers currently has the BL-7 & the BL-30 for New Roc' service & (downtown) Mt. Vernon currently has the BL-7 & the BL-42 for New Roc' service.... I don't necessarily disagree with the notion of having one route handle the southern portion of Mt. Vernon to/from the WPR line (Bronx in general)... At the same time though, I do see more of a case for having [the #42 running to New Roc' via Sandford up from downtown Mt. Vernon], than I do [the #101 running to New Roc' via Sandford across from the WPR line & points west].... I think the #101 b/w WPR & New Roc' would end up benefiting Bronxites (well NYC patrons in general) far more so than folks in Mt. Vernon, south of downtown Mt. Vernon.... I'm not completely sold that there's that strong a demand for New Roc' from SW Yonkers, south of downtown Yonkers....

What I'm ultimately getting at is, we can go about making a stronger case for increasing #101 service if it ran b/w Getty Sq (hell with having it run to MNRR Yonkers) & that Target along Sandford - and Also, the revamped Memorial Field/Stadium right across the street (I'm still trying to figure out when the hell they even started that project, let alone completed it).... The problem with that though is, there's really nowhere feasible to turn buses around at.... As far as service past said Target towards New Roc' via Boston Post rd (although IDRC for any thing taking on that course), thinking more about it, I do actually side more with having the #42 from Petrillo Plaza do so, over the #101 from Nereid (and points west) reach New Roc' that way, if I absolutely had to....

To summarize this talking point:

• #42: Petrillo Plaza - New Roc (via current routing south of W. 1st st)
• #101: Getty Sq - Mt. Vernon Target (via the proposed redesign's final routing b/w those 2 points)
• #107: phased out

Only thing left from this would be, what connects Downtown Mt. Vernon down to the WPR line.... IMO, this would be rife for the #40 to take care of... An extended #53 could also do the trick...

That's something I've considered in the past, although ultimately I don't consider it to be too much of an issue. I don't have a problem with the 101 running to New Rochelle, if one needed to be chosen over the other.

Regarding Yonkers, perhaps it'll take some riders away from the 7/30 around Getty Square, and it'll gain whatever existing riders in South Yonkers that make their way to the 7. So while I happen to more or less agree with you that demand won't be as high, I don't see that as a problem affecting the 101's performance overall. 

As far as Downtown Mount Vernon to/from the , I would definitely have the 40 cover that segment. Looking back, it seems that it'll be hard to have something cover what the 42 and 107 do in one route without being much different (or if not worse than the 42) in terms of being meandering, so I suppose having the 42 between Downtown Mount Vernon and New Rochelle wouldn't be okay. 

As far as the 53 is concerned, I think that would come into play to serve 3rd Street to/from the (2), providing subway access to parts of south Mount Vernon that are a bit far from the 101. 

Looks like we have a definitive answer now regarding the 67X, it is forever eliminated. The 137 will be the sole bus to Seaside Heights. Northern NJ folks will have to take the 67 local to Toms River if they can't make it to the 319. 

https://www.njtransit.com/service-advisory/1615544

Multiple Changes

trains are bypassing Marcy Av and Chauncey St in both directions.

Jamaica-bound trains have resumed running on the local track from Myrtle Av to Broadway Junction.

What's Happening?

EMS and NYPD are conducting investigations at Marcy Av and Chauncey St.

Alternative Service:

Board trains at nearby Hewes St.

Take a B46 bus from Marcy Av to nearby stations.

Board trains at nearby Broadway Junction or Halsey St.

Take a B20 bus from Chauncey St to Broadway Junction.

See a station agent for a courtesy pass for re-entry.

Posted: 06/13/2023 09:21 PM