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Just saw an Artic on the Bx38 heading towards Co-Op #5727

School tripper.

I travel between Manhattan and Nassau frequently, but I don't want NICE to go to Manhattan and get stuck in traffic.  I'd rather they add more limited-stop routes that leave the terminals ON TIME, and drop off at the E/J/Z or F train stops.  If the bus went into Manhattan, I'd get off at 179th or Parsons/Archer for a much quicker subway ride into Manhattan.

Well look at Queens. Many areas have a choice between the LIRR and express bus and choose the express bus even though there's traffic.

Where would Manhattan express service start though? I can't think of any place Nassau, asidefrom Hempstead and Mineola that would be a good place for the buses to start.

Start it from several residential towns, have it run through the local main streets in the towns.

Maybe Veolia NICE Bus should take over GoBus Long Island Transit which operates in neighborhood of parells n27 route at Roslyn, Greenvale, along Roslyn Rd to Park & Ride, then express to midtown or downtown for $6 one way or $7.50 (similar to BxM4C fare.)

I learned from GoBus Long Island, even GoBus Long Island or GoBus on OnLocationTour brokes down like NICE.

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Academy owns GoBus now. They do a bad job marketing that too, I've seen the buses downtown and they aren't busy at all. NICE definitely would have the right marketing department to get people riding their expresses.

 

Not to mention the GoBus only runs to a few towns.

NICE definitely should start Manhattan express service. They're not the MTA anymore, they can offer competition to the LIRR which is badly needed there. In a lot of NJ and the parts of Westchester (with the BxM4C) they have the option to take an express bus to Manhattan instead of a train, but since the MTA controlled transit in Nassau for so many years they never offered another option than the LIRR (even the MTABus routes that compete with LIRR in Queens and MNRR in the Bronx were operated by PBLs and to this day only exist because of city funding except the few routes NYCT runs). LI commuting is a big business that's right now an MTA monopoly, but NICE can definitely change that and get some extra money and riders.

Roadeos aren't open to the public. At least not NYCT's.

Being told that the will be restored next week.

3755 at Baisley with Far Rock stickers

Digging the new Denny's they opened up down here...now give us a Chick fila and Dairy Queen already.

Spotted Neoplan Artics on the 70 in Summit today. What's next, MCIs?

Happens on the weekends all the time.

That's not what happened. The state cut its subsidies a few years ago, so there was a scramble for funding. The city and state now pay around 30% of the bill.

The city needs to pay 100%. If they (DOE) get state or fed money for it that's fine, but the money needs to be coming from the DOE. The DOE is taking advantage of the MTA and the fare paying customers like you and me and the MTA should put the blame where it needs to be, tell the parents and unions to bother the DOE next time they think about discontinuing the student cards if the city doesn't pay for them. They pay for cheese buses for the younger kids and should be paying for public transportation for their students too.

 

Not against free student metros at all, I'm against the city taking advantage of the MTA and their riders when they should be paying for them.

7184 on the 139, Aldrich Road P/R Bound.

That a loaner or EHT doing a run?

Almost all of them have it now, maybe one or 2 without it

Only Eastchesters though. None of the Baisley ones have

The city gives the TA money for the student metrocards.

That's the way it should be...but unfortunately those cards are subsidized by the TA when it's the DOE's job to pay for student transportation. That's why they were gonna get cut a few years ago, the TA was getting sick of paying for them and asked the city to pay for them. They wouldn't so they were gonna get cut to half fare only, then parents and the teachers union fought to keep them.

I think they might be getting to work on the Clever Device upgrades in the older buses. Coulda sworn I saw a NG 1800 before with the GPS cone antenna on top like the 3rd Gens with the new system have.

#5266 is at Casey Stengel. It's on the Q44. 

 

I think Meredith has a tripper on the X10. I saw that bus yesterday on the X12.

I see Meredith runs on the X10B all the time.

Maybe the LFS are going back to QV like the rumors were saying.

Today I was just taking pics of a Q10 and then a bus supervisor says that you aren't allowed to take pics of buses and said of course I am not a terrorist but its the rules, so I stop.

I have been bothered for taking pics of subway trains but not buses before.

Best to listen to the road ops (no matter how much BS it is) and move to another spot before they get the cops. Not worth dealing with them over nothing, they'll make a whole sh*tshow out of it that could end up with you at the precinct if they have nothing better to do.

5264 at CS as well and in service on the 44.

Been there for a couple of days now. It hasn't hit service as of yet though.

What's the engine?

Those 30ft NABIs are some rockets. They put the 38.5ft NABIs to shame.

I've only been on em through AC traffic. Decent buses especially with the Allison but I wish they hauled when I go on em.

All I'm saying is you can't judge how well a route does with just ONE bus.  That's absurd.  The knew it was a school shuttle when they started the route.  They should've planned it better quite frankly. Running one bus for each area is just stupid.

They should've made it the Q94 to begin with...

Pretty simple... Unless that one trip leaves packed, then obviously ridership won't be that great.  It's kind of ridiculous to say that the whole line had poor ridership when there was only ONE bus provided for each area to the school, and ONE bus back.  You make it sound like they had all of these buses running to and from the school.  Given the times that they ran, students had to get up quite early to take them, so maybe if more than ONE bus ran, and ran at a time where more students could get them, ridership would've been higher.  All students don't have the same schedule, so naturally even if they wanted to take it, some of them couldn't due to conflict issues.  There's also after school activities too, so if there's just ONE bus to your neighborhood and you have activities that conflict with getting that one bus, then yeah, you won't take it.  Doesn't mean that there wasn't a demand there.... Just not enough trips to actually encourage students to take it, plus if those cheese buses ran more and were cheaper, then that would be another deterrent.

 

That's kind of like saying, such and such line had low ridership, but leaving out how many buses ran and when they ran... A little bit misleading if you ask me.

Why have more trips when it's basically a school bus? There's kids in the suburbs that get 1 cheese bus no matter what their schedule is or what they have after school. You miss the bus or don't want to take it cause of your schedule, you don't even have another (granted, long for the NE Queens kids) public transportation option in most areas and you either get a ride or miss school. The Q94 proposal could have worked out to solve that issue and provide extra trips to/from school though.

 

The cheese buses were more expensive and I'm sure there's only 1 of them too. I think a deterrent to the X32 could have been the half fare and having to pay in coins to get it, but I really don't know. The Q94 would have solved that too since it would just take the regular Student metro without having to pay extra.

Of course not... How can it be when there is only ONE trip for each neighborhood to the school, and one trip home...

Then why were you just defending it?

Bronx Science alumni here. They did have private bus service to Queens and Manhattan. Most of the kids who lived far out in Queens (Little Neck, Fresh Meadows, Douglaston, etc) would shell out the money to take the private buses. The kids who lived near subway stations (Elmhurst, Jackson Heights, Flushing, etc) usually just took the subway. I believe the X32 was cheaper than the yellow buses, which was why some students opted to take the X32. All in all, however, a large majority of the kids used the private bus service. Maybe 50 or so students at most actually regularly utilized the X32

Oh so they pay for those cheese buses? Interesting...

Are you talking about on the X32?  That's what I was talking about.  

I am, but I didn't know they paid for the cheese buses. Still wasn't a high ridership route, and more of the MTA subsidizing school transportation for the DOE.

You are wrong because the service was used by those kids.... The whole point of them going to that school was having the express bus service, otherwise making a 2 hour + commute each way would be old very quickly.

Did you read my post? They get cheese buses...