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This is REALLY cool:

 

I agree with you too. The timers on the 4th av express are really annoying. The only part on the 4th av line with no timers is the southbound express from 36st to 59st. The trains entering 59st southbound hit 40mph entering the station.

 

I don't mind that there are timers; they just start too early IMO. I mean, they can still protect the switches at 36 St s/b without starting the timers all the way back at 25 St. Although I don't think those timers were put in as a result of post-crash paranoia; they were already there before the Union Sq and Williamsburg Bridge incidents as far as I know.

A little-known secret about the A-Division. Fastest express run? Gun Hill-White Plains to E180 going S/B on the middle track. It's all downhill, and you won't encounter a timer until Pelham Parkway. A good T/O can keep it going at 50+ for just about the entire run, at least until you enter E180's homeball alley. You all owe it to yourself to ride this the next time there's a GO.

 

Wow, I've seen the tracks on Google Earth and I always thought it would be fast, but I had no idea that it would be THAT fast.

 

Nobody says much of the southbound Lexington Av Express from 125 to 86 St. I know that n/b can reach 49 MPH, but this s/b R142A reaches 47-48, I think: (go to 4:45 for the fast part)

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EDIT: I posted the wrong video before. I just fixed it. Thanks, Brightonkid7.

Actually, the R160s are designed for up to 55 mph. I think once I was on one that reached 56, but I don't recall the line or area.

 

Yes, but I'm specifically referring to the n/b 4 Av express.

Yeah, it would be great if he could tell us the speeds going s/b on the 4 Av Express, and what the timers are for. And I'd love to know how fast it's possible to go on an R68 on the n/b 4 Av Express. I know that 50 MPH is possible on the R160.

That's cool. I'm always pleasantly surprised with the s/b 4 Av Express from Atlantic Av to 36 St. No one says it's very fast, but my R68 train yesterday was really hauling! The timers coming into 36 St are annoying. Are they to keep people from overrunning 36 St at 40+ MPH and derailing on the switch for the West End line?. Or to protect the crossover switch to the local track? Still, the timers don't start until you pass 25 St, and those early timers aren't too slow. It's a good run, IMO.

 

Still, nothing compares to the n/b 50 MPH express .

Howdy, folks. Here's the thread that's all about SPEED--discussing train speeds, telling stories of fast trains we've been on, and posting videos showing the speed at which a train is going. People should feel free to post videos of trains and I or someone else can figure out how fast they are. Hopefully this thread will be a success; I'll start it off with this:

 

 

First R142 2 Train: 49 MPH

Second R142 2 Train: 35 MPH

 

 

 

No flaming, please...

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Due to three consecutive incidents on the Lexington Av Line , Bowling Green, City Hall, and 125 St are all out of power. Run an on the Lexington if you want to. Just reroute away.

 

Assuming that you mean that no trains can pass or enter those stations:

some trains run local in Manhattan

96 St - Grand Central-42 St, local; single-track shuttle runs 96 St - 116 St; single track shuttle runs Grand Central-42 St - 14 St-Union Sq (local)

runs via 7 Av Express

Pelham Bay Park - 3 Av/138 St

 

runs via tunnel to provide transfer to at Court St

 

Beating the Heat

Severe heat can affect subway and train signals and overhead power lines. Elevator and escalator service may also be reduced to cut energy consumption.

New York City Transit (NYCT) customers should monitor our "Service Status" box on the MTA's homepage and plan their trips accordingly. Customers who use stations with elevators and escalators should also monitor the NYCT Elevator & Escalator Status page for equipment outages and updates.

The New York Power Authority implements Peak Load Management (PLM) to reduce electrical demand during high usage periods, usually from noon to 6:00 p.m. New York City Transit does its part and reduces power consumption by shutting down some substations that supply traction power. This means subways go a little slower.

In offices at all MTA agencies, power consumption is reduced by turning off unessential office and shop lights and any office machines that can be spared. Air conditioning systems are turned up a few degrees too.

At Metro-North and Long Island Rail Road departure terminals like Grand Central, Penn Station and Atlantic Terminal, conductors keep every other train door closed until just before departure to keep cool air in and warm air out.

Slow speed orders will be issued when necessary, especially on Metro-North's New Haven Line, which is powered by overhead catenary wires that droop in extreme heat. Trains are slowed so that pantographs – arm-like apparatus on the roof of the trains that draw the power from the catenary - do not get ensnared in catenary wires. Employees of both railroads are asked to report hot cars and roving air-conditioning crews are dispatched to make needed repairs.

Throughout the MTA's system, crews remain at the ready if there are any heat-related issues impacting service. While we will do everything possible to minimize any impact and inconvenience, we advise our customers to allow extra time for their commutes, dress appropriately for the hot weather, and check the MTA website or local radio or television stations for the latest service information before starting their trip.

 

This is interesting. What will make the subway trains run slower? Slow speed orders, or will the motors work less well?

Due to loss of power from the Central Park North-110 Street Station to the 72 Street Station:

There is no train service in both directions from the 137 Street-City College Station and the Times Square-42nd Street Station.

Downtown trains are running on the line from the 149 Street-Grand Concourse Station to the Nevins Street Station.

There is no train service in both directions from the Harlem-148 Street Station to the Times-Square-42 Street Station.

Please expect delays on the . and trains delayed at this time.

 

There was plenty of bunching and uneven crowds on the Brooklyn IRT well into the evening rush...

 

 

All that's missing is the completely unnecessary reroute.

Yeah, if certain people (we all know who) were in charge of the MTA, the would be somewhere out near Broadway Junction on the tracks by now...

EDIT: WHOOPS! I thought you said ALL tracks at 23 St impassable. Let's say that was the case:

 

242 St - 34 St-Penn Station; downtown trains run express from 96 St to 42 St, uptown trains run express from 42 St to 96 St

runs in two sections; 241 St - 34 St-Penn Station, Flatbush Av - Chambers St; trains relay north of the station

suspended; trains can access Lenox Yard or Livonia Yard

runs in two sections; New Lots Av - Brooklyn Bridge, Woodlawn - Grand Central-42 St, some Manhattan bound trains can terminate at 149 St-Grand Concourse if Necessary

runs in two sections; Flatbush Av - Chambers St station (signed as a train to avoid confusion), Dyre Av - E 180 St

Pelham Bay Park - Grand Central-42 St, some Manhattan bound trains can terminate at 3 Av-138 St if necessary

 

runs in two sections; 207 St - 59 St-Columbus Circle, Far Rockaway/Lefferts Blvd - Canal St

145 St/Bedford Pk Blvd - 34 St-Herald Sq

suspended

runs in two sections; 205 St - 34 St/Herald Sq (via CPW local), Coney Island - Whitehall St station

Jamaica Center - Lexington Av/53 St

runs in two sections; Jamaica-179 St - 47-50 Sts/Rockefeller Ctr, Coney Island - Delancey St

Metropolitan Av - West 4 St

 

runs in two sections; Astoria - 34 St-Herald Sq, Coney Island - Atlantic Av

Coney Island - Prospect Park

runs in two sections; 71 Av - 34 St-Herald Sq, Bay Ridge-95 St - Whitehall St

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And I don't even play Mega Man!

 

Also:

 

It makes absolutely no sense that the line, which is arguably busier and more demanding than the line, would make the R46s run better. Why do you say that the R46s are overused on the line when the runs less frequently than the ? Yes, I know that the R46 has a history of problems and the R32s are very solidly built trains, but your "facts" contradict the MDBF numbers over the past year.

 

By the way, I can't remember the last time a was sent to Lefferts or Far Rockaway; I'm not going to believe you that it happens often unless someone else can provide more information.

Some people, including Wallyhorse, seem to overestimate the importance of midtown service...Anyway,

 

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No trains can use BMT east river crossings (Montague St tunnel, Manhattan Bridge, Williamsburg Bridge, 14 St tunnel, 60 St tunnel).

@ the subway station, the R32s are 10 time more reliable than the R46s, even before the SMS they ran better than the R46s, the R46s are overused subway cars, the ones at jamaica perform better than the ones on the A, before the R32s made its return to the A the A always had equipment problems, this is why I think they should have fixed that problem and put the R160s on the A, the R46s are better for the C due to the fact they don't run as much, the R46s don't do well on the A, they run like shit, last year in the summertime they ran 6-8 R32s during the overnight hours, this year I counted 3-4 during the overnight, it is what it is, so instead of being mr know it all, listen to the facts on why I just said what I said

 

Yeah, right. Do you want to see the facts?

http://i45.tinypic.com/k48roj.jpg

Yes, the R32s are currently doing slightly better than the R46s. It shows how well built the R32s were, considering that they're doing this well for their age. But there's nothing to suggest that the R46s are doing particularly badly. Your statement is supported by no evidence, which is what makes me think that you just like the R32s better.

The thing is, the multitude of riders demand the more comfortable R46s IMO.

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Due to switching failure, the downtown Central Park West tracks must connect with the 6th Avenue express tracks. That means all southbound trains coming down Central Park West MUST turn onto 53rd Street and then end up on the 6th Avenue express tracks.

 

Local north of 59 St, also local in Brooklyn; downtown trains run via 6 Av express

suspended

suspended

runs local in the Bronx

downtown trains run via 8 Av local

 

EDIT: trains will run until all equipment can be laid up or sent to Pitkin or Coney Island Yard.

What do you mean a 3rd Local Track?

 

I mean an extra track that makes all of the same stops. It would double the peak-direction capacity of the line, theoretically.

operates in two sections:

179th Street, Queens-57th Street, Manhattan

West 4th Street, Manhattan-Coney Island, Brooklyn

 

As for keeping the , those riders got screwed for WAY too long and the M is a popular line from Broadway-Brooklyn, plus, it does help cut down the crowds to Lexington-53rd. That's why I do it that way I do.

 

OH MY GOD...THERE ARE MORE BROOKLYN RIDERS THAN RIDERS!!! Please don't try to deny this...You will screw up more people's commutes by cutting the .

As for using the TM tracks on the C from Hoyt-Schermehorn, that is specifically to keep the A express in Brooklyn because otherwise, politicians, especially those on the Lefferts line might very well get upset even if the A went local because of an emergency. If they are aware of the TM tracks, they probably would insist on those being used to keep the C running in Brooklyn if necessary in order for the A to stay express no matter what (outside of overnights).

 

Have you given ANY thought to the fact that the Transit Museum tracks stop at an ABANDONED PLATFORM with NO FUNCTIONING EXITS TO THE STREET? By the way, the train running local only adds FOUR MINUTES. As a temporary service change, do you really expect politicians to get mad?

 

Now I only say that this is foamerish because you do this on practically every scenario, even when there's a perfectly good way to keep all trains running smoothly.

It's not foamerish. It just makes no sense. The term "foamer" seems to be losing it's meaning, and is now used to describe any railfan who comes up with ridiculous ideas. If you want to learn what "foamerish" means, feel free to do so:

 

The R46's run like shit on the , the R46's are unreliable and overused, thats why they have had problems

 

Well, the R32s are doing better because they're just having SMS...Remember last year, when the R32s had a MDBF of 56,000 or something?

 

ever since the R32's popped up on the the has been much better

 

What in the world are you judging that based on?

the is better with the R46's

 

How will the line make the "unreliable" R46s run ANY BETTER???

 

It looks like somebody here just enjoys riding old rickety trains on the ...

Really? I'm actually looking forward to some new sounds around the system other than that ONIX propulsion that we have for almost half the fleet now lol.

 

You have a point, and while I do sympathize with all of the railfans who are begging for variety, I'd rather have propulsion that "fits in" with the NYC system. While I'm sure that I'll get used to the sounds of MITRAC, I have come to associate ONIX with the NYC subway.

 

Yes, I understand that the "old timers" think that anything that isn't DC propulsion doesn't fit in with NYC at all...

The line needs a center track. Atleast past 42 St for GOs and Work. I mean it would not affect service that bad if something were to happen, but it could serve the same purpose as the track up to Woodlawn and the to 180 St. The MTA should put a track in there atleast so we don't turn this line into the problems we get with the . Don't even put it to stop at stations. Just run it all the way up, maybe with a couple switches here and there. I will try to whip up something in Trainz when I get back to the US.

 

How about a third local track that would just provide double the service in peak directions (it would make the same stops)?

on a side note, (insert "just an opinion based of fact please dont jump down my throad disclaimer here) I would not be surprised if the 179's get equipped with ONIX.

System components can be "vendored" to other suppliers. The ONIX propulsion is NYCT in-house designed. They were originally tested on a set of R38s thru the Broad Channel flats in the late 90s. Its very possible that the Bombardier-built 179 can be supplied with ONIX if the MTA decides that the ONIX is the more preferable choice.

 

Are you aware that it was announced that Bombardier MITRAC would be the propulsion? (Not a rhetorical question; I'd just like to know the answer.) Because I kind of wish they would use ONIX and I was a bit disappointed to hear that it would be MITRAC.

and run via the West 4th-59th Street uptown (normal service downtown).

 

I would get rid of the if possible, but if not possible, then I can't argue with you here.

 

Uptown runs via the West 4th-5th Avenue/53rd Street (normal service downtown).

 

How about just cutting the back to Essex, making room on 8 Av for other services?

 

runs in Brooklyn only Hoyt-Schermerhorn to Euclid Avenue. Northbound trains terminate at Hoyt-Schermerhorn, are dispersed and then go to the Transit Museum tracks to turn (one TM train is temporarily moved out of the station) to accommodate this) and then return on the outer southbound track to begin service back to Euclid.

 

Oh my god...JUST RUN THE LOCAL AND SUSPEND THE , FOR GOD'S SAKE. There's no need to overcomplicate things for the sake of complicating things. Why in the world would anybody want to take the to the ABANDONED PLATFORM at Hoyt-Schermerhorn only so they can transfer to the ?

 

service is split in the following manner:

Half of the trains run 179th Street, Queens-57th Street, Manhattan via regular route

Half of the trains run via the between Queens Plaza and Bergen Street to Coney Island. Transfer to the at 9th Street-4th Avenue or the at Hoyt-Schermerhorn for Manhattan.

 

Now, every single rider in Brooklyn is screwed. It's not just about sending trains to every station; it's also about having trains that get people where they want to go. The is hardly better than no train at all, for those going to Manhattan. How about just running the via 8 Av/53 St, which there is now capacity for (by getting rid of the and on 8 Av)?

 

I do these trying to run the trains as best possible with the least amount of disruption without foaming.

 

You're right; this wasn't one of those "foamerish" posts. It was just plain impractical, IMO. There's nothing "foamerish" about using the transit museum tracks; it just makes no sense and overcomplicates things for no reason. If people are calling you a foamer, they're misusing the term.

runs in 2 Sections; Utica Av - Wall St, Woodlawn - Grand Central-42 St

runs via between 149 St/Grand Concourse and Nevins St

Pelham Bay Park - Grand Central-42 St

 

runs via Tunnel

 

Some people will probably tell me that I should have extended the to Brooklyn, but I think that Brooklyn riders would rather have the in the tunnel than the , which only gets them to Lower Manhattan. The can be made to serve Lower Manhattan and Midtown, and I don't think the tunnel can handle both the and the