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    BUS - Random Thoughts Thread

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    2 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

    I get that they're trying to make the announcements more fun, but its extremely unprofessional that they're worried more about this then they are abut fixing the announcements on the (4) and (5), which have been broken since July... 

    That's not a glitch though...

    the Jessica "the next stop is" and "this is" clips no longer exist because the obsolete computer systems on the R142/As are at capacity.

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    R211 Discussion Thread

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    9 hours ago, R68ACTrain said:

    And, instead of getting extra R211s, since the (B) is no where near getting CBTC, just have the (B) run those R68/As only. Then the (G)(N)

    (Q)(W) and use the R160Bs, and R211As.

    Well the situation is basically this: among the Coney Island lines (and by proxy the (D) as well) someone is getting the R211s and someone is getting the R68/As and R160s 

    6th Avenue is next for CBTC after 8th Avenue and before Broadway which means its more likely that the (B)(D) will get the R211s and the (N)(Q)(W) will have the remaining R68/As and round out the fleet with R160s (and then receive R268s or whatever number they assign the R68/A replacements). However that does not necessarily rule out the reverse ((B)(D) R68/As, (N)(Q)(W) R211s). I would prepare for either eventuality but lean on the former rather than the latter.

    Barring a change of heart amongst RTO (which I mean its RTO, anything is possible) the (G) is out of the running as it would be receiving 4 car R160s or R179s for 480' trains.

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    R211 Discussion Thread

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    12 minutes ago, R68ACTrain said:

    3rd option? Um, I don’t like the Coney Island bound R179s, as they are not CBTC Equipped, but the R211s are. Let’s say if the (G) was to get CBTC soon which it probably would, and it would need CBTC equipped trains, the R179s should have to get equipped first, and the (G) would have to operate the R160s and R211As since they’re CBTC equipped. Plus as said many times, Coney Island is definitely not a priority for new cars. Carry on.

    The 8 car R179s are specifically getting CBTC installed so that they can run on the (C) temporarily and then transfer over to the (G) when Crosstown CBTC is ready. It said as much in the contract.

    I hope this also answers your previous question in regards to R179s on the (G)

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    R211 Discussion Thread

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    4 hours ago, NewFlyer 230 said:

    Is the (L) short because honestly sending the R179’s from the (C) to ENY could fill in the gaps. Plus with the (M) being in CBTC territory it would need a few extra sets as well. The (M) and (L) could just used some R160A’s from the (J) while the (J) would be mostly R179s. 

    The 4 car R211s are for additional (L) trains for service expansion now that they have added additional electrical capacity.

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    R211 Discussion Thread

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    10 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

    Would it make sense in order to save money on the budget, to convert the R211S order into regular R211's and send them to NYCT, and send the best R46's to SIR to replace the R44's?

    It would not because aside from the optics of sending over old cars they just spent a ton of money rebuilding Clifton Shops to handle NTTs and improving both track and substations just for the R211S fleet.

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    SUBWAY - Random Thoughts Topic

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    On 2/7/2021 at 12:49 AM, Deucey said:

    You know when everyone's "been chipped" and Rona is rare, masks will be out as soon as flu season is announced.

    I can hear the "If you're feeling flu-like symptoms please wear a mask or face covering that covers your nose or mouth for your entire trip. Help us to keep NY healthy" PSA in my head already

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    SUBWAY - Random Thoughts Topic

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    2 hours ago, vioreen said:

    I see that MTA agencies (MaBSTOA, Bus Co, and NYCT) within New York City jurisdiction are always hiring but, other MTA agencies (LIRR, MNR, SIRTOA) are never hiring, what's the story behind this?

    They are hiring but it's not as publicized. SIR was accepting applicants for engineer and conductor two years running (didn't see anything last year for obvious reasons) 

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    R211 Discussion Thread

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    9 hours ago, R68ACTrain said:

    I’ve heard on some subway related discord servers that, the R211s are going to test on the (F)... and that half of them are delivered??? I pretty sure they’re due in April, so I’m confused as to how they’re allegedly two months early. 🤔 

    Pure nonsense; pay it no mind

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    R211 Discussion Thread

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    2 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

    I don't think they'll use any of the r32 numbers since they're still on property and even if they leave the property by next year or whenever, it might be too soon. It depends on when they will leave the property.

    I could see them Using 5201-5667. But if they do use the r32 numbers it'll be option order 2 (If the r32's are off the property by then) which would start from 3330 to 4059 (Available Numbers)

    3400-4039 is exactly the same amount of cars as option 1 which is why I think they'll use it. Any R32s on the property by then can just get a 1 in front of the number like the Redbirds did when the R160 option orders came in since they would most likely only see use as work trains.

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    R211 Discussion Thread

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    10 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

     I think the MTA should purchase more than 1,537 R211's. 2,000 R211's sound ambitious, but that number of cars will be enough to retire all r32's, r44's, r46's and r68's and provide fleet expansion.

    It would be much faster for the MTA to replace the r68's with additional r211's, than just doing a separate car order aka "r268".

    I'm pretty sure Kawasaki does not have the space nor personnel to produce all these extra R211s. They were already considered pretty much out of the running for the R262 contract...

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    MTA Bus Operations: Fleet & Depots

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    On 1/20/2021 at 9:20 AM, NBTA said:

     The B68 however, you may need two new XN60 orders entirely, due to one of the orders are due for Queens for at least 3 CP routes (Q25, Q65, Q66 to name them).

     

    On 1/20/2021 at 9:36 AM, Future ENY OP said:

     Part of me wishes that the MTA could of did an option order on the XN60's for Gleason back then for possible expansion for artics for the B68 perhaps. I'm not 100% sure if the MTA will continue with CNG's once the current tanks expire.

    I'm just speculating but I think its far more likely we see XE60 orders for these routes...

    Conversion of several depots to electric operations was in the 2020-2024 Capital Program (of course its now a question of what actually gets funding in a post pandemic world)

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    OMNY implementation on MNR/LIRR

    in MTA Railroads

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    1 hour ago, paulrivera said:

    They really have 8 conductors on a typical LIRR train?

    For the long 12 car trains yes.

    The sneaky thing they do is designate half of them as assistant conductors, so while in actuality you have 8 crew members on a train, if you were to ask LIRR they'll tell you no we only have four (because the other four are assistants)

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    OMNY implementation on MNR/LIRR

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    On 1/19/2021 at 7:13 PM, RtrainBlues said:

    How safe would LIRR riders feel taking the LIRR under reduced staff, knowing that people could just jump past fare control at stations and harass them and/or hurt them onboard the train?  Do riders want the "Show-Time" dancers to come to the LIRR?  They've almost kicked people in the face several times. 

    Showtime dancers? on LIRR? You know full well that's never happening regardless...

    On 1/19/2021 at 7:13 PM, RtrainBlues said:

     The conductors in every other car keep things safe. Passengers currently pay a premium fare for good service and don't want a "tap in, tap out" system like the DC subway.  Do we want to push riders away by eliminating conductor jobs?

    The elephant in the room is that with the MTA's finances they won't have any service if it continues to cost over $400 million to staff extra conductors on trains.

    The peak direction 9-5 Central Business District commuter ridership model that both LIRR and Metro-North are intended for is just simply not economically sustainable anymore in a world with WFH, multiple CBDs in the region, reverse peak commuting, staggered shifts, and increases in off-peak usage. And that's not even considering the money set on fire each day on storing trains off peak (the average LIRR train spends 18 hours sitting in the yard each day) and paying full crews a minimum of 8 hours even if they only work a single peak period etc, etc.

    A shift to a proof-of-payment fare model is pretty much the only way we'll see significant improvements in LIRR/MNR service because it costs so much to crew trains. Reducing crew sizes now opens up opportunities for them to spend more on operations adding more trips to the schedules.

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    Fleet Swap Discussion Thread

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    8 hours ago, Jemorie said:

    Don’t you think they should just run more service for the time being? Given that it only shares tracks with the (F) along a small portion of its run and has the Crosstown Line all to itself?

    Court Square is the bottleneck in that scenario. That layup track as crossover really slows things down.

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    Fleet Swap Discussion Thread

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    5 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

    the cars are coming in with CBTC kits installed already. It would be very dumb to put subway cars with 58 inch doors on the (N)(W) vs. the (A)(E) and (F) lines.

    CI could get the siemens back from jamaica.

    Well about that story...

    4 hours ago, JeremiahC99 said:

    Hold up. Isn't (G) Crosstown Line CBTC on the table too? Wouldn't it also make sense for the Coney Island to get R211s as well so that CBTC there can be used with brand new cars?

    Perhaps we could do:

    • Base order (440 cars)
      • (A): 290 cars 
      • (G): 150 cars 
    • Option order (640 cars)
      • (E)(F)(R): 260 cars
      • (B)(N)(Q): 380 cars
    • Following moves:
      • R46:
        • 232 cars retired from (A)
        • 122 cars reassigned to (C) until retirement
        • 120 R46 cars retired from (B)(N)(Q) following base order
        • 276 R46 cars retired from (B)(N)(Q) following option order
      • R160 8843-9102: (E)(F)(R)-> (C). 
      • R179 3150-3237: (C) -> (J).

     

    Hate to make predictions, but it doesn't hurt to try.

    this is not that far off from pre-pandemic...

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    Fleet Swap Discussion Thread

    in New York City Subway

    Posted

    16 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

    While I understand your point, they should have postponed the QBL CBTC project when the pandemic first started. Since a majority of the ridership is working from home now, there is no rush to activate CBTC on Queens Blvd right now since the ridership isn't there for it.

    CBTC on Queens Blvd was never about ridership. CBTC is now the defacto standard for signalling replacements which is why Culver is getting it.

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