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You think just like the MTA which is a bit sad. well according to what happened at the meeting at great neck you sir are completely INSANE FOR NOT EVEN TRYING to get cars off the road. Look at the map then calculate travel time via HOV when you are done looking at everything then come back to me looks like you are not even close that is why transit has such a bad rep ppl like you who are too scared to try something new. The N20/80 TOTAL travel time will be about 12 to 15 mins more than the N20 local hicksville!!!! I guess yuki could care less cause one he heard but choose not to blab cause you can't hide from the truth. What I say is not lies.

:cool: That exactly is what it is intended to do!!!!!!!!!! High gas prices and HOV immunity add up to the perfect storm to make this route work. Plus timed transfers between LIRR lines will perfect this merger.Remember when Yuki was there with his camera and I suggested it as an express route ppl seemed to agree with it. Next time I will record. And when I contact the great neck mayor I will update you on her response later on. Also This express if it fails then it's ridership will equal the combined ridership of the N80 and N20(between great neck and flushing). If it succeeds then it's operating cost will PLUMMET!!!!!! I have listened to others at NICE and they helped me form a strategy that I didn't have before to make it work. :cool: You don't have to believe the truth if you don't want to. Plus another express route I will mention later will complete the idea and add on a secondary function beyond the N80/20 LIE. HINT: LIRR doesn't serve this market adequately and can't directly address it. Watch traffic patterns on LIE. There is a hint you will see. This is actually part of a series of lines or actually part of something else entirely I will tell you the completed form later. Try to not guess cause everytime you do you guess way off base in a way that makes me look bad.

That bold statement was what I said to NICE EXACTLY in those same words!!!!!!!! Already told em that at great neck and I will suggest it again in my proposal. The N24 thing well I am mixed on that.

just go off NICE today and I used it several times this past month and in janurary don't insult me like that by questioning the facts.

If I didn't I would not have even made such ideas buddy Ohh this is a joke. Not a rude remark. DUH!!!!!!!!!!!! The idea is to get an express bus it's NOT about ridership between it's about SPEED!!!!!!! HOV MEANS traffic immunity!!!!!!! You do realize based on reply to red LIE HOV does not = northern blvd brookville right??? The short turn N20 great neck it's ridership plus N80's Plus unknown new riders (express between areas around ronkonkoma line+hicksville+connecting buses to great neck area and other possibilities)= N80 cost of operation being slashed almost in half. Seriously some form of express service in Nassau is better than NONE plus this cuts down on the cost per rider due to combined ridership+new ridership. Ohh funny you say that cause many ppl at great neck thought it was a good idea. So I do have grounds.

Suggested it already to NICE in a typed proposal I made. True But removing N50 from bellmore might actually be a good thing IF timed with N55/54 and N35 en rte to LB via centennial and long beach road/austin blvd. True But at rush they'd be better off letting N6X do that job instead cause N24 is a disaster at rush!!!!! Veolia put in thought when they made their proposals something MTA never does. They actually rode the buses UNLIKE MTA fatcats.

That is one way. The other was merge N80 with N20(great neck short turns only) via LIE HOV. Then convert N81 to a crosstown the N81 idea however ppl seemed to like alot. N73/74 mixed feelings It ends right at the parkway 10 mins away from jones beach if extended during the summer it's like an unofficial restoration of the N87. I heard from SEVERAL bus operators that buses CAN use the loop parkway so the parkway bus argument is complete BS to think I actually fell for that BS is beyond me. Many ppl did agree that long beach via stint on parkway can improve ridership on the N74/73 But old country is another way also. Most of the so called reductions are NOTHING compared to what the MTA tried to do I had to explain it to a few ignorant students that overblowed the co called cuts that never were. Then they were like OHH I SEE

Good job seeing through my bluff. You pass my test veolia was smart when looking at the routes. Yes you are correct. However with that said a merger with N48(off-peak only) or parts of N73 can be possible for the N79 to reduce the number of buses on those lightly used routes.

based on the meeting the N24 idea recieved stiff opposition I doubt they would go through with it. Try the N22L or the NEW N22X

You just explained why I LOVE CT HART!!!! If they did that plus marketing in penn station and atlantic term then even with a low budget NICE can be VERY NICE

The great neck one I went to at 7 PM

I never said they would go through I just said the people and riders there liked most of my ideas shockingly enough with all the flack I got here I was expecting opposition to my ideas especially the N58 one BUT to my shock it was recieved better than I anticipated. Also the Other less extreme ones like N46 reroute and N45 elimination with N6 extension were the ones that recieved the most praise. Plus I didn't even mention my completed plan yet. The summary brings it all together including the way to handle the over the top. The reason why my ideas seem overkill is cause it's radically different from the NORM!!!!. I don't think I can shake that memory when I was literally BEGGED to send a proposal for another agency when they proposed cuts if even some of those were toned down they would have wiped out many cuts. That wasn't in LI the bold part. He and many others who fought for their bus would have benefitted from my idea(different issue altogether). The N58 extension is meant to FORCE more N20s to go LTD!!! Some ppl asked if my N58 idea could get the route down rte 110 I had to explain the purpose of the S1. It's about connectivity there are HIDDEN motives behind my ideas cause they are not route by route

The N46 AND n24 not even close. But N46 might work better if I am nuts then many ppl today are also NUTS the only nutty extreme part is N 51 its a desparate move to increase ridership. The rest of my ideas ppl loved em!!! NOT LYING if you were there you would know the N58 idea only can work when more funding becomes available.

The thing is you MISREAD MY N80/20 idea my proposal DID NOT MERGE N20 Hicksville with N80 BUT THE SHORT TURNS AT GREAT NECK!!!!!!! VIA LIE HOV and timed transfer with N25 and N51LGA LIE proposal but to avoid traffic in queens its LTD stops at little neck then springfield and 188th then main st before heading to LGA nonstop. The other is N46 reroute to mineola LIRR via roosevelt field and eisenhower park eliminating the front street segment to hempstead hempstead folk will transfer to N48/49 or N72/71/70. N46 will serve NCC parts of 46 will die. N78/78 reroute to hempstead via former N16 routing. NICE will make N16 nonstop between hempstead and NCC. Due to N46 reroute some trips and some N41 trips will interline with a new N44 CROSSTOWN via shelter rock road to manhassat LIRR serving a new base of ppl who DO NOT WANT to drive. N81 reroute via oyster bay road and crossways plaza(rush hr only) to oyster bay and later if demand warrents to bayville. Many loved that N81 idea of mine and 46 were very popular. Also ppl werent totally against N27 after NICE explained it to em.My N24 extension to bellmore (weekdays only) would have increased ridership on it's east meadow service. NICE said that many buses will be retimed for better LIRR connections. looks like N14 will get saved by new better times with LIRR and more ppl according to NICE they talked with N14 riders to learn why it failed. The one they loved was the N58 extension via northern blvd bypassing roslyn to huntington downtown then greenlawn(select runs to greenlawn)

It will return and N88 night service will return as well with n43 service enhancements there are only a handful of cuts many with little opposition. Also many riders LOVED my ideas especially my N46 and N58/20/80 restructuring. N8&2 will merge into a more frequent loop.

Not what I was getting at. I meant bus as a feeder to the train from where they live not as an alternative to the train. The bus will never compete with the train except at rush hour in reverse direction. I meant buses like N24 could have taken ppl from their LIRR to jobs in nassau hub if scheduled better. Heck even an extension to bellmore would have gave it literally 3different functions.

so he can look real good when it is revealed that the system will improve overall

This is one issue where we agree 100% NICE is nicer than the MTA. MTA isn't very creative they couldn't manipulate their LIRR ridership to spill it off on buses as feeders cause they aren't creative.

Speed which is probably why NICE is improving on-time performance.

I think mangano is increasing the suspense on purpose!!!!!!!!!!

Aw shit here we go again not getting into this hot mess of an argument.

The only one that makes no sense is the taxi guy he will destroy service taxi guys can never be trusted.

So true like another rant front or joel rantpower. sometimes strategic restructuring can be a good thing you will hear my rage or my force on the 23rd. bring it NICE I am not scared of no mangano the problem with the MTA is they aren't open minded and unimaginative in a sence they are clueless in suburban routing. However this NICE can go either way good or bad something a certain someone can't understand.

That is the weakness or your arguments right there. How is light rail cheaper than subway in terms of build out over a course of 15 years and capacity you do realize the cars would have to be long to handle crowds right

NOW you know why I don't use manhattan buses your experience alone is the reason why. Too unreliable compared to other areas. Many SCT lines as shitty as they are they run FAST and in my experiences on-time also NJT is more reliable as well as outerborough buses