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12 hours ago, TheNewYorkElevated said:

4060-4064/4066-4069 was in service on the  yesterday at around 5:15-5:20PM. Train was spotted at 125th Street northbound. 

4060-64/65-4069 has been in regular passenger service since mid June.

Just like to point, how many times have the the red and gray strips on the side of the R142's & R142A/R188 's A-cars been tagged up over the years? And somehow they manage to get new ones...  Just sayin.

According to a press held today by the , they expect at least two R211A trains to come into service per month (possibly more if all goes well with production & testing). So I would speculate that there could be close to a dozen R211A's in service by the end of the year and with the R211T's & R211S expected to have their 30 day in-service acceptance later this year, this car order will be rolling right along in the upcoming years.

Props to Kawasaki rail car for all the hard work they continue to perform under their tight schedule.

R211 4070-4079 is in service on the .

So that would make it a total: 40 R211A's on property.

Plus 20 R211T's & 5 R211S.

65 R211's overall..... and counting.

48 minutes ago, MJHmarc said:

R211T and R211S will continue to undergo testing and have their own clocks. This was for the R211A’s only and there’s 2 more sets on site. 

The question was... How many sets do we have right now? Which I assumed is describing all the R211's T & S included, currently in the system.

20 minutes ago, Reptile said:

How many sets do we have right now besides the testing one? 4?

Also, page 211 on the day the R211 officially comes into full service lol

LOL Good call!

I believe there's 30 R211A's with the pilot set included, 20 R211T's (hard & soft shells), and the 5 R211S already on property.

Therefore a total of 55 R211 set's.

The R211A's current 30 day revenue test is close to the finish line. If or when all goes well at least within the next few days, then things would get rollin' soon enough.

9 hours ago, NBTA said:

Am I one of the few that actually like it?

I actually like it to a degree.  I think it's an innovative way to give Staten Island riders a clear visual of what the trains intended route is and given that this is a "generational" fleet for Staten Island Railway it doesn't hurt to try out something new.

But..... it's New York, you can't please everyone here. 

I don't understand why attach any issues currently involving the R211s to the R179s. These are obviously two different rolling stocks built buy two different railcar building entity's one of which is now under, Alstom transportation. Despite the fact that they are in the same category of NTT type subway cars, there is significant differences amongst them.

We should understand something, there are reasons why this railcars have " teething" problems. First off they are modern subway cars with new mechanical & electrical features. Advanced propulsion systems, software communication components because CBTC is involved as well as electrical & circuit powers to which all of it needs to be properly checked & tested rigorously. All these trains have to meet operational and mechanical satisfaction. That is the standard life especially for a modern NYC subway cars which bring plenty to the table, alas the NTT's and for these trains to " survive" the next 40 or even 50 years in the grind that is the New York City subway system they have to be.... tested.  The R211s are coming in with alot of new components that has to be broken into and be sure the TA has enough confidence in the world to be able to continue bringing them in. That's why Kawasaki personnel is on site along side the TA troubleshooting all the problems that need to be addressed before they can move forward bringing in more of them. Remember, the sooner the problems are addressed the better things can improve later on, even if it takes a while. Patience is virtual.

Alot of the issues that plagued the R179s were lack of management discipline, quality control and not meeting the deadline. But because there were things that needed to be addressed with R179s, at times they were allegedly ignored because of the preferred importance of making a timed deadline on delivery, and as we all know these cars were late. Therefore, the R179s took the blunt of mechanical inefficiency with doors opening while the train is moving and the infamous two-car separation north of Fulton st in 2020. But fast forward 2023, the R179s are one of the best performing subway cars in the system. Just like in life everything is a process. But I think its not fair to attach the issues of the R179s to the R211s which IMO is a different animal not to mention the fact that the open gangway sets are also being tested in their own right. We just need to give it time, it's just the way it is. Understand that the R211s solely represents a future generation of subway cars and they a primed to be workhorses for the heavy trafficked subway lines of the B division within the next couple of years. So given their potential usage rate in operation its important to test them now which is "key" no matter how long it takes. The TA is doing exactly what they need to do in making sure this cars are up to the demands of the subway system. That level of confidence needs to build in order to observe how these cars can behave under tough environments. All subway fleets go thru that given whatever timeline.

Cars 4088 & 4089 arrived and are currently at South Brooklyn Railway as of this evening. 

Also, 4070-4079 performed burn-in testing last night on the .

Cars 4110 thru 4114 are sitting outside Kawasaki's Lincoln plant awaiting delivery to the city.

We can all continue to put out predictions on which lines the R262s could wind up on, but at this point is obviously too early to comprehend that. A contract is still yet to be awarded to a subway car builder and we also have to take into account that the planned design scheme for this R262 fleet would be solely based on the results R211s, which are gradually making their way into the system now. The results of the latter could possibly indicate whatever process the MTA would want to settle in with in terms of construction, quality & flexibility by the time their decision's or made to go forward with R262 order.

The R262 fleet order is planned to replace the R62 & R62As, both fleets currently serving the IRT Mainline & 42nd St Shuttle primarily. Basically by the end of this decade the IRT Mainlines ONLY is overdue for new trains without a doubt. Plus, the R262 order could perhaps coincide with future CBTC implementations on the Lexington Ave and 7th Ave Lines by the time if or when their able to finish with all the mess currently happening on the B Division. Even if the is excluded form this order, just like what we've seen with the R211s the R262s still would have to be tested all around the A Division which includes the Flushing line and given the fact that as they move along with CBTC implementation on modern subway trains it only makes sense to test them on a line that already has this system in place in order to achieve a broader service communication aspect and how they can improve on things if need be.

It comes down to decision making's from the person or person's in charge of equipment assignments in the subway. So it's one thing for them to be tested around the system but it's another on which subway lines they would want to assign them on for regular service.

Apparently that R46 on the  is legit. In service.

2 hours ago, RandomRider0101 said:

 

Since it was your first time riding the R211 and it's still new, you'll have plenty of time and chances to form a more solid opinion on them.

I'm sure I will.

47 minutes ago, Cait Sith said:

The 211s ride exactly the same as the 160s, they have the same trucks.

No doubt. The more time I spent on the train the more it grew on me. I ended up taking a small nap on the way towards Lefferts lol.

Finally had the opportunity to ride the R211 today on my day off from a VERY busy work schedule & family life. 

Overall my two cents, the train is truly next level as far as design features and innovation. Even though I'm not a fan of the LED pixelation lights I'm so happy the route bullet on the front/back & sides are back, a feature that should of never left from previous tech trains. The LCD multi-color route display is a nice upgrade from the tri-color FIND display, however I wish that the display itself was lighter. I personally love the blue seats and the floors which doesn't give that hospital feel to the train like the older techs do in my opinion, just preferred that they didn't reduce the seating capacity but I get that it was to expand the doors for more spacing. I like the new green & red light door indications on the side.

Now, I still have to give the slight edge to the R160s as far as quality movement on the ride and I've been on a bunch smoother R160s over the course of their decade service compared to what I rode today with the R211. The public announcement system obviously could be better, the R179s reign supreme in that category as well as the heating system. The outer body of the train is basically a modern R143/R160. The R211 propulsion is great, but I still put the R160B Siemens & R142A/R188 Bombardier propulsion's over it. I rank the R211 propulsion tied with R179s in my third spot of tech train propulsion's in the subway.

Lastly, The train still maintains that new car smell. I realize and respect the R211s are the new wave of the future for the NYC Subway and I'm hopeful they'll take good care of them as more of them continue to come into the system. Theres still some things they can improve on but the R211s are primed to be the future workhorse of the B division. Salute to Kawasaki Rail car for there continued dedication on building  world class subway cars like the R211s.

13 hours ago, ABCDEFGJLMNQRSSSWZ said:

Idk if this is just me, but it seems like the R68s on the  and  out of Concourse are quite dirty, especially compared to R68s on Broadway.

7 hours ago, RandomRider0101 said:

Don't leave out the R142/As on the line. It should be a crime to have any subway cars looking like that, especially 7591-7810.

 

6 hours ago, NBTA said:

The 142As look like they just left multiple crime scenes. It’s crazy how bad those cars look, and it’s been like this for YEARS.

A handful of R62As on the  would like to have a word with ya'll.

Welcome R211..... welcome to the toxicity that is the younger generation of New Yorkers. Not all, but some by the way.

The R211A should currently be on one of the layup tracks at Dyckman Street. Banners to signify the "Inaugural" run have been placed at each end the train storm doors.

29 minutes ago, darkstar8983 said:

At least the R179s didn’t get that much media coverage but the R142/R142A cars and the R160Bs did

The media attention the R179s mostly ever got was from there mechanical mishaps.... door openings and the 2 car separation out of Fulton street.

2 hours ago, trainfan22 said:

On the NBC 4 R211 news story when they talked about the R46 being replaced..... they showed video of an R68.

 

 

Also the MTA president said it's time for the cars to take a swim, the MTA president isn't aware that they went back to scrapping cars the old fashioned way? Unless plans changed. I doubt they will go back to reefing for R46 disposal as the stainless steel reef program didn't age as well as it did with the Redbirds.

Not for nothing but do you expect the media to know the difference between a New York subway car...... cause I don't lol.

Just to point out, the audio is really bad during the train ride but at least you get a nice exclusive look of the interior features of these cars along the way.

Here you go! Courtesy of MTA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_7HJpCv4Ts

35 minutes ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

But then what would run in the 53rd St Tunnel along with the ? The  definitely can’t handle 53rd alone. And you can’t put the  back in 53rd unless another service replaces it in 63rd.

I agree with also running the  to 2nd Avenue and having the  run solo in Astoria. Of course the  would have to run more frequently due to the absence of the , but then we’d be free of the delay-prone  merge at 34th St and we would be able to run more frequent service. 34th is just a bad place to merge trains. Ditto for Prince St. 

The biggest concern I have with running a 6th Avenue service to/from 2nd Avenue is that it will be a very tight squeeze on the 6th Avenue local tracks along with the  and . And would likely have to be suspended if the  and/or  ever have to be rerouted onto 6th. Like @mannysoloway suggested, we could run the  to/from 2nd. But like I responded above, another service would then have to take its place in the 53rd St Tunnel, most likely the , which in turn would then have to have another service replace it in the 63rd St Tunnel if the  goes onto 2nd Ave.

But that’s not going to be a problem for a long time to come. The Jets will likely win a second Super Bowl before the  train starts running. 

Hell the Knicks could possibly at best make it the conference finals before that as well. 

That is the goal to bring those cars on property soon enough, if all goes well & good and the R211s 30 day revenue testing turns out to be a success. Also, it would enhanced production to move forward at Kawasaki's Yonkers factory. However I guess it all depends on the crew and supply chain shortages and were that stands at this point.