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I would have 4 services south of 63rd, with SAS being four-tracked for Phase 3/4. Unfortunately, the MTA is broke and can't even get the line out of Manhattan.

Maybe the MTA is to busy wasting money at places where it's not needed

 

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Well since Patrick Foye is the President of the MTA and Chief of the Port Authority, and the Port Authority does own Laguardia Airport, the NIMBY'S may have such little choice but to deal with it or move out. I remember reading something from an older post that one of the main reasons that NIMBY'S don't want a train to go to Laguardia is because they don't understand the benefits of this proposal which would allow for and trains to swap permanently

 

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However, this would be the case and if Patrick Foye really wanted to extend the and to LGA for better transportation, then he'll do it without thinking twice. In other words, he might pull another Robert Moses on those NIMBY'S

 

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Getting back on topic with an idea:

The * both are extended to Fort Totten-Cross Is Blvd via 19 Av, the GCP, ***the PW LIRR branch, and Bell Blvd.

**Stops are as follows: LGA-East Elmhurst, Willets Point-Flushing Meadows, Flushing-Main St, Parsons Blvd, 154 St-Murray Hill, 162 St-Broadway, Utopia Pkwy-Auburndale, F Lewis Blvd, 212 St-Bayside, 38 Av, 33 Av, 26 Av-Bay Terrace, and finally Fort Totten-Cross Is Blvd.

A peak express track would be constructed between Ditmars and Fort Totten.

trains would run peak exp, making stops at 26 Av-Bay Terrace, 212 St-Bayside, 154 St-Murray Hill, Flushing-Main St, Willets Point-Flushing Meadows, LGA-East Elmhurst, Ditmars Blvd, Astoria Blvd, and Queensboro Plaza.

This would mainly take relief off of the train and the PW branch, and provide access to LGA and Bayside.

*A new yard would be built on ConEd land to allow the and to swap.

**LIRR stops between Flushing and Douglaston are eliminated.

***The EL would run on top of the LIRR branch.

Of course, the big issue are the NIMBYS.

Well since Patrick Foye is the President of the MTA and Chief of the Port Authority, and the Port Authority does own Laguardia Airport, the NIMBY'S may have such little choice but to deal with it or move out. I remember reading something from an older post that one of the main reasons that NIMBY'S don't want a train to go to Laguardia is because they don't understand the benefits of this proposal which would allow for and trains to swap permanently

 

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No, I didn't want to interogate him, I was simply curious and asked him a friendly question.

Oh ok

 

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So, another great day of riding the Astoria Line during midday hours. Seriously, it was a good commute, only, I have one comment. The train was fast, worked well, and after I missed one at Queensboro, there was another one in 6 minutes, and it came with some seats available, per usual.

 

However, I couldn't help but notice the lack of any construction on the entire Astoria Line. The supposed reason why (W)'s aren't running up here. Neither direction was skipping any stops, and service was fast and efficent.

 

When I got out at Ditmars, I asked the T/O why (W)'s weren't running up here, and he laughed and said "Maybe to help the in Manhattan"

 

So, I'm curious, is the MTA pulling a Queens Blvd and diverting midday service just to help out the loads in the Upper Easr Side? I think the T/O was mainly joking, but loads were fine, and no one is complaining on the SAS....

That's a beautiful story you got there, though the MTA worker didn't explain why the was only in Manhattan

 

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What if ALL Old Technology Trains retired early (R 62-R68A) and we're replaced by (IDK) R205's R205A's, R211's and R217s (ALL CBTC equipped) and if every line had CBTC including a Second Avenue line going to the Bronx replacing Dyre Avenue, the Southern part of Nassau Street (Fulton Center) and connected to Montague and the transit museum continuing local til Euclid

 

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I'd much rather see a station at Tompkins Square Park. This is our one chance to finally bring subway service to Alphabet City. Why isn't there more discussion of this idea? It should run down Avenue A, connecting with the L at the 1st Ave station. There are a few places (Stuyvesant Square, Stuyvesant Town, Houston St, among others) where you could put the necessary curves without too much trouble, I imagine.

That would make the project more expensive, your idea is great but I think that it should be a separate project in on itself

 

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…and not some half-assed design where some super long staircases/escalators to some street somehow means it’s served by a station when the distance traveled through these passageways is equivalent to 3 street blocks.

That's the proposed grand street right there

 

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Really? On the map mta provides for full buildout doesn't show transfers at 14th.

 

 

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Well, the MTA said that there was going to be a transfer at 14 St

 

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I was advised to bring this conversation over here...

 

Phases three and four of SAS need a little work IMO. I know we probably won't even see phase two for another decade at least, but never too early to start prepping.

 

First, I feel like these phases should just be combined into one larger contract, or at least have funding for both at once. Progress is just too slow otherwise.

 

Second, I feel that stop placements are a little off, and so are connections. For example, East Village is basically skipped over, with two stops on the outskirts of the neighborhood. And, with having a stop on 14th street, why not connect to the L? It wouldn't be a bad thing to have riders from Brooklyn taking the second avenue line instead of further crowding Lexington first.

 

 

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Well, phase 3 already has a transfer to the at 14 Street. In my opinion, phase 3 should have 4 tracks instead of 2, a station at St. Marks Place, Tail tracks north of 55 Street and possibly a new line from Queens. As for Phase 4, the local and Express tracks should merge and the Chrystie Street connection plan from the 1970s should take in effect. After passing Cantham Square, it should run down Park Row and replace the Nassau Street subway at Fulton Street, causing Chambers Street to be a terminal Station. The platforms at Fulton and Broad Streets should be b expanded. After that the Dekalb Avenue Junction should be rebuilt (though I'm not sure how that'll go). As for phase 2, just add a third non-revenue track and have it go to the Bronx replacing the Dyre Avenue line

 

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the consequences of a showboating governor mixed with my misinformation.

My bad

No no its all good

 

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Probably, like a connection to first avenue on the L or something

 

 

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Also, should we get back on topic and talk about this on a different therad

 

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An additional two trains at DeKalb would make the worst junction in the system even worse. And I still don't understand why any of that is necessary given current ridership plans - why are you so hell-bent on reducing the and replacing it with the or ? I highly doubt there's any significant demand for Williamsburg/Bushwick - CPW/Concourse service, whereas Williamsburg/Bushwick - 53rd service probably has some demand.

 

And Fulton Street's current situation isn't ideal, but it's not worth having a very expensive project to connect it to a low-ridership supplementary local...

So then, rebuild the Dekalb Avenue Junction at part of the proposal

 

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Gotta disagree with that. The lower East side really needs another north south connection. Although, I don't understand some of the stop placements. East village is kind of skipped.

 

 

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You have a point, but a better integration with the existing system is needed in some way

 

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Anyways, are there any Threads on ideas for new subway cars????? I want to know

 

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Well..... then here's a revized version then,

Keep the at west end and have the supplement it. Next, place another second Avenue train to replace the Train at Brighton using Montague. Next, with a plan to reduce needs for the , send the to Metropolitan and Extend it to the Roosevelt upper level. The can either replace an existing rail line using south 4th and the LIE. Lastly, a third second Avenue train and the will run via Fulton Street so that the may run express and maybe replace the existing Jamaica elevated line, the

 

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There, is that better?????

 

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We're not saying you should scrap your proposals. We're saying YOU NEED TO THINK THEM THROUGH FIRST.

Well..... then here's a revized version then,

Keep the at west end and have the supplement it. Next, place another second Avenue train to replace the Train at Brighton using Montague. Next, with a plan to reduce needs for the , send the to Metropolitan and Extend it to the Roosevelt upper level. The can either replace an existing rail line using south 4th and the LIE. Lastly, a third second Avenue train and the will run via Fulton Street so that the may run express and maybe replace the existing Jamaica elevated line, the

 

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LGA N Train: Listen to what Around the Horn said! You can't just pull a Wallyhorse and think proposals would automatically work!

BM5 via Woodhaven Blvd: I also agree.

So I'm bad at Making proposals... might as well scrap every single one I've tried to do

 

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So I'm bad at Making proposals... might as well scrap every single one I've tried to do

 

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That involves expanding the subway, like connecting Metropolitan bound trains to The Roosevelt Avenue Upper level

 

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So, might as well keep the at Hanover Square

 

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Let's get back on topic...

Ok

 

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Only serving one stop won't stop West End residents from rioting.

This part of the proposal is going to have local express stations, New Urchet Avenue will be an express station

 

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Outrageous. The is the most popular train on 4th Avenue and you're going to tell everyone to transfer? GTFOH.

 

Perhaps you should just take a break from making subway proposals until you can understand the idea of ridership patterns...

I must be really bad at Making proposals then

 

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Maybe an alternative is to use the 1970s proposal

 

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It would be the same as merging at West 4 St. You said "run the via the then switch to the ." Plus, it could only run via the if it merged before Broadway-Laffayette.

If it make thing better or worse, the Broadway Junction interlocking could be reorganized to allow for trains to run to the Bay Ridge Branch so that the could still run to south Brooklyn (which would allow for a transfer at 62 St- New Urchet Avenue), a new Express service could be added to speed up the process

 

Note- I'm using part of the proposal for the Triborough RX

 

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You know the has to merge with the at W 4 St, the at Spring, the at Canal, and the again at Jay St? There is no direct connection between the 6 Av EXPRESS tracks and the 8 Av Exp tracks. Talk about merging madness!

So have the switch to the local tracks by building a new double crossover switch just before Broadway - Lafayette????

 

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If anyone wants a refrence, here it is http://www.vanshnookenraggen.com/_index/2016/02/futurenycsubway-2016/

 

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So what happens to West End???

The train takes over, and anyone who want to go to 6 Av can either Transfer to a Broadway train or the (and maybe a supplemental or train) at Houston Street

 

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However, in my proposal the Broadway Junction interlocking would have to be reorganized and the , , and trains would have to be rearranged

 

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Nassau is heavily underutilized because it has low ridership. None of that proposal is necessary.

 

Also people want 6th Avenue in Midtown not 2nd Avenue, the entirety of Southern Brooklyn would riot if the and got taken away...

They'll still have the and maybe a new express train at least, you could send the down via the then at Jay Street, it could switch over to the then continue as an Express. Then past Church Avenue, the could be peak express

 

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