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I Miss R160 Trains

3 hours ago, Calvin said:

Order #31: 5806-5809 with 5670-5673 -> At Coney Island now on the and  lines

are these R211s?

3 minutes ago, Cait Sith said:

You're more than welcome to criticize what the MTA tends to do or whatever, just stop sounding extremely immature about it.

I wasn't sounding immature, but i was just criticizing MTA.

BTW, What is Mod queue? Thank You

12 minutes ago, Cait Sith said:

 

Yo, calm the f**k down. This will be the first and only time I'm telling you this, otherwise you will be put in mod queue.

FYI, that tweet was about an R160 that had a door problem.

ok, i'm calm. i was criticizing the Swaps and the MTA Policies.

What is a Mod Queue?

Just now, Calvin said:

The lie is true:, if you're on the  to Nereid Av-238 St entering E.180 St with the  . Once that  leaves or gets held, it goes from Nereid Av to Gun Hill RD-WPR in a minute. 

what do you mean?

5 minutes ago, P3F said:

If you mean the "door problem" tweet, I read all the comments and exactly zero of them contained a complaint specifically about the R46s. The average commuter simply doesn't care about the type of car; they simply want to get to their destination.

You really need to grow up and stop spamming the forum with the same nonsensical complaint. If the R46s piss you off that much, fine, nobody's forcing you to deal with them. It should be no problem for you to make the leisurely 7 minute walk to the Q102 bus, which will transport you to any of the or  lines, which all use (mostly) R160s.

well i prefer buses over subways, subways are dying anyways and are being replaced by NYC Buses thanks to Corey Johnson and these people in tweet were referring to R46s actually.
 

this guy

this as well

17 minutes ago, NewFlyer 230 said:

There is no point in arguing with him, because he is just your angry foamer that is upset that his favorite trains are being moved off his lines. His reasons don't make sense either. Back before the R160's came to the N,Q and W lines, all the trains that use to operate on those lines were R40s, R42s and R68s. The R46's in 2020 still have a much higher MDBF than the R40s and R42s did before they got replaced over 10 years ago but of course the R46s are so problematic and they cause delays. They are older now than the R40s and R42s that got retired about 10-14 years ago and the R46s still are doing alright. Then he shows that tweet about a train being taken out of service due to mechanical problems but I was on a R160 very recently that had to be taken out of service because of an issue with the doors. Issues like that occur all the time on lines with NTT's so I don't really know what he is trying to prove. With some people you just can't argue with them, you just have to let them look foolish.

you should read people complain below the tweet about the R46s and Astoria Residents are pissed.

12 minutes ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

The Astoria line is very unreliable especially during off peak and subway car fleet is not the culprit. Even with the r160's they were unreliable.

Astoria Lines always had been Slow as f**k because Signals were f**king Old and the Elevated Structure which are both originally from 1930's, that's there should be CBTC on Astoria Line.

10 minutes ago, DaPr03 said:

Not even that as well but to add on, CBTC is close to being done on Queens Blvd. Even though I don't like 46s on the N/W, we have to let things go as the MTA plans, it's for the benefit for commuters & transit in general.

CBTC in QBL is not done until Q1 of 2021 where R211s are on teh service, R211s are to arrive in conjunction with QBL CBTC in 2021.

Read this Link at Page 29, it will show you. EVEN MTA Admit it back in January of Last Year and yet they tricked us.

http://web.mta.info/mta/news/books/pdf/190122_1400_CPOC.pdf

6 minutes ago, Coney Island Av said:

i get that you all are unhappy about the  getting a downgrade in equipment, but it is what it is. the 46s wont be getting phased out until the R211 passes its 30 day test and start arriving en masse. 

the only thing you guys can do (if you hate the 46s on the ) would simply be to just wait a few more years. regardless of whether the 160s go back or not newer trains will start appearing on the  when the 211s arrive, but it will take time. 

 

I Can't wait for R211s to come around Q3/Q4 of this year or Q1 of next year, MTA should be ashamed of themselves by playing psychological/emotional warfare and game to commuters in Second Avenue/Astoria/Broadway and Sea Beach Line.

1 minute ago, NewFlyer 230 said:

Why are you complaining so much? The average person really could care less about what equipment shows up to their stop as long as they get to their destination in a timely manner. What is so special about Upper East Side residents that they need to have the latest and greatest trains running through their neighborhood? They are people just like those who live in Bay Ridge, Sunset Park, Rego Park and etc that had to deal with R46’s on the  for 30+ years. But you are fussing about trains that are going to be on the  lines for a few years at best. Hey I’m not saying that the swap was the smartest thing because perhaps they could have held it off a few more years till the R211’s get here, but I don’t think this swap is as serious as the problem you are making it to be. If the  train riders can get use to losing all their R142A’s for R62A’s so can Broadway riders with the loss of R160s for R46’s and R68/A’s.

This is irrelevant what you're saying, R62s are better off compare to Crappy r46s and R68s on Line, Astoria Line is now suffering from worse delays (People are trapped inside trains and even waiting outside of station platform for hours) because of the complexity of the job, stations being dangerously overcrowded especially on 36th Avenue due to door problems, paying more for a shittier ride consistently, R46s are literally falling apart and suffering from mechanical problems, Also Astoria/UES Residents, Riders on Second Avenue/Broadway/Astoria Line are complaining very badly to MTA's NYCT Subway about it. This is not like the Lexington Avenue Line and this is much much worse.

Like I Said Before that MTA should NOT have gotten rid of the new R160s from the Trains and we Astoria residents are f**king Pissed off since December, SHAME ON YOU MTA, SHAME ON YOU!

3 minutes ago, DaPr03 said:

46s are worse than the 68s if you know your trains properly, unlike foamers....

foamers are idiots and they are part of the problem like MTA, yes R46s are worse than R68s and i agree with you. I've ride the R46s now daily, it is very very shitty as f**k and it has go to go ASAP when R211s arrive in Q3/Q4 2020-Q1 2021. when R211s arrive, I Hope and Wish R160s that were swapped out from Coney Island Yard has to return back to their home (Coney Island Yard) where it was swapped out in December 2019-Q1/Q2 2020.

3 minutes ago, Tonyboy515 said:

They are not “literally falling apart” and they are fine on the  and . I’d rather have them on the  than R46s, but even the R46s aren’t that bad, they ran good enough on the  and , so just be patient for the time being... We get it...

R46s are stating get bad and suffering mechanical problems, R68s are terrible in and slow as f**k.

like i said before, Astoria residents needs to get ready for more of these mechanical problems because the MTA decided to play psychological and emotional games/warfare by giving us these crappy slow R46s train cars from the 1970s that are literally falling apart. Shame on you MTA.

46 minutes ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

What is the big deal about the N, Q, W getting r46's?? At least the r46's are in better shape than the r32's and r44's. At least the N, Q, W has gotten NTT's in the past and will eventually get them again, unlike the B, D, G, 1, 3, etc which has never gotten NTT's and BTW last year the A got some NTT's for the first time.

Anyways, the NQW will do fine with the r46's until their retirement, which is a couple of years from now.

23 minutes ago, Jemorie said:

So? Just because other lines have gotten NTTs does not mean the whole system should be. That will only be as soon as last of the SMEEs retire for good. The subway in general is a people mover, not a wealthy mansion.

And those R46s are not as great as you seem to think they are, especially at age 45.

I've ride the R46s, It is becoming much like R32s and R42s, it is suffering from a mechanical problems and it is falling apart, i'm paying more for a shittier ride consistently thanks to the fleet swap between Coney Island Yard and Jamaica. It takes a Hour from Queensboro plaza to Ditmars blvd where i live.

3 hours ago, Kamen Rider said:

You don’t get to tell someone to use common sense if you are going with that line of reasoning.

common sense would say Jamaica is going to be R160 for the foreseeable future.

 

ps... I’m not a dude.

so that means will be 100% Crappy R46s that is falling apart, Thanks A LOT MTA for Getting Rid of New R160s Trains from Line, Astoria and Upper East Side residents, get ready for more of these mechanical problems because the MTA decided to give us R46s from the 1970s that are literally falling apart badly. To launch CBTC, Remember how long it took for you guys to upgrade the . It will encounter the same or Worse delays because of the complexity of the job, So the R160s should be sent back to the until it's fully ready and by then the new R211s will already be here. The standard should be the newest trains like R211s in Jamaica Yards, The failed design from the older cars like r46s, R68s, R44s and R32s needs to go. You want to regress or progress MTA? Can’t wait to pay more for a shittier ride consistently! that is why Astoria and Upper East Side Residents would like us to know why we now are subject to their failures? smh. 🤦‍♂️

9 minutes ago, Calvin said:

R160s from Coney Island that are Jamaica, there's a note that CBTC will be launched later in 2020 around spring/summer season. The Express will be first. 

CBTC in QBL it expected to be completed and launched in Q1-Q2 2021, MTA has got nothing but Swap R160s between Coney Island Yard and Jamaica before arrival of R211s, EVEN MTA They EVEN admitted back in January 2019 that R211s will be in service in 2021 conjunction with QBL CBTC and srapping/reefing all R46s from Jamaica Yard, but they TRICKED and LIED to us by to giving us the crappy R46s from the 1970s that are literally falling apart badly. smh 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

90% of and Many of trains I’ve taken and seen are now the old crappy R46s cars, The standard should be the newest trains like R211s in conjunction with QBL CBTC, The failed design from the older cars like the R46s, R68s, R44s and R32s needs to go (Bye Bye). You want to regress or progress MTA? Can’t wait to pay more for a shittier ride consistently! smh 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

This is why the MTA should NOT have gotten rid of the new R160s from the Trains. Astoria and Upper East Side residents, get ready for more of these mechanical problems because the MTA decided to play psychological and emotional games/warfare by giving us these crappy R46s train cars from the 1970s that are literally falling apart smh. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ And To launch CBTC. Remember how long it took to upgrade the . it will encounter the same or much worse delays because of the complexity of the job. So the R160s should be sent back to the Coney island Yard until you’re fully ready, And by then the new R211s will already be here.

Astoria and Upper East Side Residents would like to know why we now are subject to their failures? smh 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ 

2 minutes ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

If the MTA sticks to the original plan, some will retire this year, the rest will retire with the r211's.

The MTA has the final say on this.

MTA now says all R32s will be retired in Spring 2020

10 minutes ago, Around the Horn said:

All R46s are going by 2024. see here on page 70: https://new.mta.info/document/13836

 

Thank You for Explaing, because @R32 3838 and @nightmare402 don't even know and have a clue what they're talking.

10 minutes ago, nightmare402 said:

NOT all R46's are being replaced only the oldest one

YES all R46s will be replace by R211s, it even MTA Said it will Replace all R46s, All R46s are Old.

1 hour ago, Jemorie said:

The , like the , need cars with electronic exterior side signage for obvious reasons. 

Also the as well

1 hour ago, Tonyboy515 said:

Jamaica still has more R46s to hand off to Coney Island so I'm pretty sure that at least some of the Siemens fleet is going to leave Coney Island... probably making the  get more R68s (probably from the  since more R46s are slowly replacing the R68s on the ), and as I've stated earlier, there will still be more than enough R46s from Jamaica to fill up the entire  and  and still have enough left over to at least somewhat cover the  (or  but I'm pretty sure the  is out of the equation).

On a side note, I'm wondering why R46s are being placed on the  and  if the  was already running older cars than them (the 's when they were almost full R160 versus the 's R68/As) and is a weekday-only service (as opposed to all 4 previously mentioned)? Wouldn't it be a better fit and make sense to have at least some of the R46s run on the  instead and displace the R68/As over to the rest of the CI lines? The R46s would then have at least a bit of a breather with the reasons stated before...

And about those digital signs... I was on an AM rush  that had the signs flipping between  to Canal Street and  to World Trade Center via 8th Avenue Local, and eventually the conductor went on speaker and said "I can't change the damn sign!" 🤣

R46s are Old that is why digital side destination signs flipping like crazy, when R211s arrived in Q3-Q4 2020 and put in service in 2021, R211 cars would be produced and delivered at a rate of 30 to 40 cars per month by replacing all R46s and R44s, perhaps R68s if structural integrity issues found on R68s like it did with NYCT R44s that caused the Option 2 Order of R160s by replacing all NYCT R44s.

55 minutes ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

In the case of F and R getting r211's?? It's a rumor.

However, the MTA said in last months board meeting that 8th Avenue CBTC will only be compatible with r179's and r211's, which means that the E will get the r211's since it runs on 8th Avenue.

8th Avenue CBTC will not be compatible with R211s?

40 minutes ago, Around the Horn said:

Uh no, all that means is that the R211s will be designed to meet Queens Blvd CBTC specifications (already installed on the R160s) which is also the new systemwide CBTC standard.

Again, they said that R179s and R211s would receive CBTC for that purpose, not that those two fleets are the only cars compatible. Any car with the new systemwide standard (starting with QBL equipped units) can run on any of the new and upcoming installations.

First of all, I'm fully aware of Fleet Swaps Between CI Yard and Jamaica, Second I'm aware that Jamaica will be fully R160s but when R211s are replacing R46s, R211s produced and delivered at a rate of 30 to 40 cars per month, it will be going to first to CI Yard and Pitkin by Replacing all the R46s and R44s, then after that it will go to Jamaica Yard in conjunction with the installation of CBTC on the IND Queens Boulevard Line, by that time in 2021 CBTC in QBL will be completed and activated. so that means Jamaica Yard might be fully R211s and Coney Island Yard might be R160s again.